All I see around me are guys 30+ in a mgtow epidemic

[Who Dares Win]

No one of my same age friends nor people past this age that I meet is remotely interested in a relationship with a woman let alone marriage.

Its amazing how it more like in their 20s to be engaged or even cohabitate while it should be the other way around.

I wonder what it will be 10 years from now when the results of this trend will be no longer limited to the bottom pages of sociology books.

Its not only about not being interested in investing in a relationship or a family, they genuinely dont give a fvck about society (which I can understand for many reasons), its more like they just opened a beer and decided to sit as spectators once they are done with their own personal things.

Women dont get it, society doesnt get it, the government pretends not to get it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No one of my same age friends nor people past this age that I meet is remotely interested in a relationship with a woman let alone marriage.

Its amazing how it more like in their 20s to be engaged or even cohabitate while it should be the other way around.

I wonder what it will be 10 years from now when the results of this trend will be no longer limited to the bottom pages of sociology books.

Its not only about not being interested in investing in a relationship or a family, they genuinely dont give a fvck about society (which I can understand for many reasons), its more like they just opened a beer and decided to sit as spectators once they are done with their own personal things.

Women dont get it, society doesnt get it, the government pretends not to get it.

Women are looking only out for themselves and men have taken notice and starting to adjust.

 

[Trump]

No one of my same age friends nor people past this age that I meet is remotely interested in a relationship with a woman let alone marriage.

Its amazing how it more like in their 20s to be engaged or even cohabitate while it should be the other way around.

I think it’s more than normal. I was the exact same way in my 20s, wanting marriage & LTR relationship. It’s obvious, men in their 20s

1) They have little money / nothing to lose
2) They want a family earlier to enjoy life later
3) Can easily get fresh faced girls in 20s

At an older age when a man likely has more resources, more relaxed, more into his own thing, its unlikely he would want marriage.

If you are looking for marriage with a girl in her 20s, you got to get married about 5 years after college. After that, good luck.

 

[guru1000]

If you are looking for marriage with a girl in her 20s, you got to get married about 5 years after college. After that, good luck.

Not sure what you mean, when I was 34, my ex wife was 20.

My cousin is 48 and just got married to a hot 26 attorney.

Why don’t we work on those issues pal. Respond to the other thread.

 

[Chi Town]

If you are looking for marriage with a girl in her 20s, you got to get married about 5 years after college. After that, good luck.

Yeah if you are lame or unattractive.

Plenty of older men who get married with young attractive women, they just no what there doing and there attractive men(not just looks)

 

[Who Dares Win]

It seems to me that the more a woman get railed, the less she is able to bond as we all agreed many times.

But at the same time the more a man endure headaches, being bored or annoyed the less he is able to take it so when he is fresh and mentally "new" in his 20s he can take a lot of abuse and still be interested while in his 30s even small things are more than enough to make him drop the ball.

A decreasing libido doesnt help either also right now the message that a man is defined from how many women he has is dissipating.

10 years ago all the men in their 30s were talking about how being alone was sad, now the ones I encounter all tell the opposite, something happened for sure.

 

[RickTheToad]

It seems to me that the more a woman get railed, the less she is able to bond as we all agreed many times.

But at the same time the more a man endure headaches, being bored or annoyed the less he is able to take it so when he is fresh and mentally "new" in his 20s he can take a lot of abuse and still be interested while in his 30s even small things are more than enough to make him drop the ball.

A decreasing libido doesnt help either also right now the message that a man is defined from how many women he has is dissipating.

10 years ago all the men in their 30s were talking about how being alone was sad, now the ones I encounter all tell the opposite, something happened for sure.

This. I will also add that this is the new social norm, whether you call it feminism, gen x-y-z, whatever, people, male and female, go through many partners. After awhile, they build their defenses up so they do not open up and get hurt. The contrapositive is that they do not form bonds or lasting relationships. They both just move on to the next partner, and with the apps and social media now, it's not a problem to get another fix. When that's done, jump to another one. Technology, so to speak, has actually made us less connected as human beings. This is mostly due to the smartphone, social media and ultimately the Internet. This may also be the ultimate quagmire in ruining Western Civilization. If men and women are not producing enough offspring, that's going to be an issue. In fact, the only countries which are reproducing above the human replacement rate are the Muslim and single Jewish country, Israel.

Western Europe, Australia, Canada and the United States needs to come to grips with what they've done to the new world. I think Japan is just about gone. Their replacement rate is less than 1%. The others are just above 1%.

As other's have said, thanks feminism... Yes, you've given ladies equality. Some would argue significantly more than men.. You've also put us on the path of destruction. In the United States, people like Bernie Sanders, Pocahontas Warren, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and some other feminists are going to put the final nails in the preverbal coffin. As Aaron Clarey states, enjoy the decline.

Links proving what I'm talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
https://www.thoughtco.com/total-fertility-rate-1435463

 

[Serenity]

the government pretends not to get it.

Pretends? Implying they're smart enough to get it... I think you're giving them too much credit.

 

[sangheilios]

I know dozens of men in their twenties and thirties and only a small minority of them are in a relationship or actively date, and these guys are all at least decently fit and attractive, good social skills, likeable, etc.....so no basement dwellers.

I deep down would love to find a great woman but to be quite honest I don't think I'm going to find her.

My basic standards are essentially looking for someone like me, which includes;

- Exercises regularly, in shape and takes care of herself
- No drugs or smoking
- No drinking beyond a social level
- At least somewhat educated
- No children
- Overall normal person

Finding a woman who is decently fit and attractive puts her in the minority lol, so good luck to me to find one with the rest of those basic standards.

 

[lamath]

I know dozens of men in their twenties and thirties and only a small minority of them are in a relationship or actively date, and these guys are all at least decently fit and attractive, good social skills, likeable, etc.....so no basement dwellers.

I deep down would love to find a great woman but to be quite honest I don't think I'm going to find her.

My basic standards are essentially looking for someone like me, which includes;

- Exercises regularly, in shape and takes care of herself
- No drugs or smoking
- No drinking beyond a social level
- At least somewhat educated
- No children
- Overall normal person

Finding a woman who is decently fit and attractive puts her in the minority lol, so good luck to me to find one with the rest of those basic standards.

Not like that around here, most ppl my age are in a relationship,
mgtow is not a noticeable thing in my general area

 

[sangheilios]

Not like that around here, most ppl my age are in a relationship,
mgtow is not a noticeable thing in my general area

I'm not saying that they are MGTOW, but that they are single and have long been that way.

 

[lamath]

I'm not saying that they are MGTOW, but that they are single and have long been that way.

Im 38 tbh but i can tell you maybe 15 % of my friend are single, but its mostly because they are too picky for their smv imo.
. I live in a small city and near by population is small that might have something to do with it.
we are maybe 400k in the Canadian province i live in so its small af.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I'm noticing even 20-something co-workers "Going their own way" with a little prodding/example-setting from me. I've driven my point home in front of them (the ones just starting out and not yet married before hired), that a Man should be doing everything he can to Avoid getting married BE-CAUSE "commitment" is the man's currency whereas "female validation" is the woman's currency. If she overwhelms you with "female validation," then you can allow yourself to be intrigued or more "open" to taking steps towards letting go your store of commitment (highly guarded btw). The clear dilemma Is however, than almost ALL females don't GIVE like they used to do. They do not Give "female validation;" therefore, you continue on your path not going "out of your way," to give over your commitment, especially since most any given female is certainly Not giving over her "female validation" (the Only thing a man needs or could use from a female). I've sent videos (tame, nothing shocking as you guys have seen) via text to my younger brethren co-workers and they talk amongst each other and the threads or strands bind stronger in their wising-up towards women. I mean, some of these dudes are Broke as fvck with like 15 credit cards and/or 3 or 4 roommates 21 years old to 30. They're learning to forgo the drain to their finances and sock away that dough (get outta debt) while ignoring that being which giveth not a damn thing of late (not like in yesteryear). I mean, a decent-looking female can go on twitch or some kind of social media and garner a lot of cash from stupid sad sorry simp guys world-wide who "donate" for female validation via a live stream. How sad. How pathetic, but they're EVERYwhere, these stupid silly dudes who enable these half-way decent tw4ts (thots who don't pay taxes).

I'm noticing even 20-somethings in my vicinity forgoing the female drain. I'm sure they'll be all d!cks on deck for a fvck from a female in proximity who's interested, but I'm sensing that they'll not hold her as something "serious" or to be "committed" to being wise to their track records en masse of late. More are getting wise, I think, maybe, and I think, I hope, that they respect me for how I'm livin my life. I'm one of the few "not marrieds." Many of my acquaintances Are most certainly married. I'm in the minority. I see more stress, worry, and insecurity on their faces though, I swear to God. Even marrieds who work together, both husband and wife, notice my relaxation and lack of worries. Of course with great salaries they still have trouble keeping it together because kids. ALL of them have mortgages. THAT is where the constant stress and uneasiness stays ever-present in their day-to-day lives. It's like a dark cloud that won't go away. I don't know how they put up with it or do it. I mean, they've gotta laugh and say, "Well, this is how Americans do it." (up to their eyeballs in debt)

 

[mrgoodstuff]

One man made an important point. Work hard, two jobs if you must. OWN your home in your name. That way if you do bring a woman in or a wife and you seperate or are done you have a home. A huge piece of leverage to prevent bs.

 

[marmel75]

Not sure what you mean, when I was 34, my ex wife was 20.

My cousin is 48 and just got married to a hot 26 attorney.

Why don’t we work on those issues pal. Respond to the other thread.

Yeah, he seems to be pretty bitter about things oftentimes. Needs to realize that him and his friends successes or failures aren't necessarily other peoples successes or failures with women. And maybe that is the problem, if you spend time with people who are generally unsuccessful at a given task you will probably end up with a similar success rate.

 

[Infern0]

Pretends? Implying they're smart enough to get it... I think you're giving them too much credit.

Oh they get it alright.

The government is happy with the way things are going, they want the straight male marginalized.

Why?

They want the family unit broken down, so that more and more people become reliant on the state.

The current "war on masculinity" which people are starting to notice, is social engineering on the part of the upper echelons of society, again they want straight males sidelined, marginalized and the future generations to be less masculine and weaker, why is that? Less resistance. Women and weak nu-males are easy to deceive by playing on their guilt and self worth issues, alpha males are not easy to deceive, so...... get rid of them by making them "the enemy"

It's already working, mental health issues and depression are at an ALL TIME high, they WANT this because depressed people are more suggestive and better consumers.

Don't get it twisted, the government and people running the liberal media know exactly what is going on, and it has nothing to do with social justice or any of the virtue signalling they act like it does, it's pure divide and conquer strategy.

 

[Trump]

Not sure what you mean, when I was 34, my ex wife was 20.

My cousin is 48 and just got married to a hot 26 attorney.

That's good stuff. I was just speaking from experience.

But can I ask you how other than sex, can you relate to a 20 year old at 34? How can your cousin at 48 relate to a 26 year old?

I did respond to the other thread. Essentially need to be 6'1 and do something social, which is brutal.

 

[Spaz]

Oh they get it alright.

The government is happy with the way things are going, they want the straight male marginalized.

Why?

They want the family unit broken down, so that more and more people become reliant on the state.

The current "war on masculinity" which people are starting to notice, is social engineering on the part of the upper echelons of society, again they want straight males sidelined, marginalized and the future generations to be less masculine and weaker, why is that? Less resistance. Women and weak nu-males are easy to deceive by playing on their guilt and self worth issues, alpha males are not easy to deceive, so...... get rid of them by making them "the enemy"

It's already working, mental health issues and depression are at an ALL TIME high, they WANT this because depressed people are more suggestive and better consumers.

Don't get it twisted, the government and people running the liberal media know exactly what is going on, and it has nothing to do with social justice or any of the virtue signalling they act like it does, it's pure divide and conquer strategy.

Wrong.

It's more towards empowering women into something she's not naturally able that's causing so much trouble.

Govts need women to work, to earn, to ultimately spend their hard earned money -they in turn will buy useless stuff according to their whims and fancies.

If women spending habits is equal to a male then vast amounts of mall will be deserted in turn affecting suppliers and their downstream industries.

And that's where men work.

If vast amount of men are jobless then social governance will be impossible with riots and mayhem for it is men who takes to the streets that's dangerous to any government.

The alternative to that is perpetual war until the culling of population has had its effect.

So in essence, what's being done right now is to placate the male population via manipulating women into thinking they are super women.

Ask any man within the upper echelons of any international corporation and they will tell you same.

 

[Serenity]

The government is happy with the way things are going, they want the straight male marginalized.

Isn't that kinda self defeating since most what is the government is straight men? They're making themselves vulnerable. I wouldn't think they're happy living under the constant fear of false allegations.

Your reasoning seems to have a few holes, or their reasoning as I suggested.

 

[Infern0]

Isn't that kinda self defeating since most what is the government is straight men? They're making themselves vulnerable. I wouldn't think they're happy living under the constant fear of false allegations.

Your reasoning seems to have a few holes, or their reasoning as I suggested.

There is a difference between the elite of society (the 1%) and the rest of us scrubs.

The elite will always be ok, they are changing what happens to the 99%

Straight men will continue to run things from the shadows, even if they put female figureheads out in the public eye