Women are more Loyal than Men - Challenging Hypergamy

[Reyaj]

Of course we always hear stories of women cheating... but I have to be honest it seems like most girls I've encountered who are in relationships won't stray.

I like to experiment with women/dating/seduction etc.... Most girls I know 100% or with someone or even recently started dating exclusively all don't seem interested in going out with other men.

I do have a current experiment which is an exception to this though which I'll post about separately but for the most part I agree with what I just wrote above.

I guess I'm somewhat being bold and challenging the hypergamy theory a bit.... Let me break it down simply to what I believe with an example and then hear all your rebuttals

Let's say an attractive female who has had a somewhat stable life has been dating a man who has a modest job... maybe he is retail store manager or something. Let's say an affluent doctor shows interest in her and want to date her... Well the reality I have seen is that the girl will not entertain dating this new doctor... Even if he presses her a bit with constant attention it will be difficult to make her budge.


Thoughts?

 

[lamath]

Hypergamy consist of many factor not only position and money.

Doctor overall will often have an advantage but many other factor to take into consideration.

A good example is the Prince Harry thread
https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ow-a-complete-beta.255384/page-3#post-2602944

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

some women are more loyal that some men

some men are dumber than some women

some men are fatter than some women

some women are taller than some women

some women are hotter than some animals

some men are more clueless than some anteaters

some puppies are sicker than some tuna sandwiches

some (collective noun) are (comparative) than (other collective noun)

yay

 

[sazc]

Women cant even end a relationship without backups and you think they cheat less?

is that how it's always happened for you then?

 

[sazc]

I wonder where this butthurt came from?

lol, yassss, im butthurt because of the way you've always been dumped....that makes sense.

It was an honest/sincere question that occurred to me based on what you posted.

I will go on to say that I have never left a relationship and gone straight into another. Every time I left a relationship there was no one waiting. The majority of my friends have the same experience. I do know serial daters tho. Their relationships tend to be short lived (3-6 mos, just in time for the honeymoon period to wear off) Some women do, some women dont. I am always of the mind that, if there is a repeating (any) pattern in your life, you need to look at your role in causing the situation. But I self examine.

 

[guru1000]

Ya LA, all the experiences you describe are about getting dumped, cheated on, or abused by women.

I and other men don’t share the same experiences.

Hint: it’s not the women.

 

[sazc]

Wait so if you make a categorical statement like "most rapes are committed by men" it's logical for me to respond "is that what happened to you?"

You're not as smart as you think you are but here's the data below (and only accounts for maintained backups so the number would be higher if you included monkey branching).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ied-case-current-relationship-turns-sour.html

Yes, It is both logical and resonable for you to ask me anything based on what i post. I dont know why you would think it not logical or reasonable to do so....we are on a discussion board, after all

Okay, so, the daily mail says that 50% of all women have a backup waiting....but you stated that 100% of women have a backup waiting.

Women cant even end a relationship without backups and you think they cheat less?

To me this implies that you have some angst about your overall dating situation. You do understand that our personal viewpoints, and what we espouse on this board, absolutely reflect our personal experiences, correct?

 

[sazc]

@LARaiders85 I dont recall reading a situation by @guru1000 where he's gotten exclusive with a female/put himself in a position to be cheated on. I would surmise that he (live every one of you on this board) has seen personal angst with women

 

[sazc]

Its the fallacy of division actually, but like I said not as smart as you believe yourself to be. Likewise when we make categorical statements here we don't generally mean literally AWALT, how you didn't know that by now I'm not sure but maybe a hint of the 'tism.

Right....sure....not lol
there are PLENTY of men on this board alone that make sweeping categorical statements and mean them.

 

[guru1000]

@LARaiders85, stop lol

I’ve had more than double the LTRs than you, as well as longer relations.

You’re no psychologist, so let’s stop throwing coping terms to define individuals, to make their cheating explainable to your fragile mind.

Their is no explanation other than YOU are the problem. As long as your coping poisens young minds, you’ll continue to hear from me. Cope
with that.

 

[sazc]

Of course you don't recall any situation where he showed any weakness at all. No, he doesn't do exclusive relationships and he cheats on all his girlfriends.

as I said, I would believe he has seen some personal female angst in his life. he seems to have assimilated his dating style into something that works for him.

The main difference I see between him and MANY others on this board (incl urself) is that he doesn't promote or post bitter/bitterly, he posts personal stories about how he has integrated game into his dating life. He posts personal philosophies on handling real life scenarios. That sh1t is helpful. On the record, I dont agree with all of his tactics, but HE seems happy with his dating life/lifestyle/style. He is happy to the point of actually having a fondness for women, instead of needing to constantly bash them.

It's a mind frame I wish more of you had.

Autism confirmed. "Right...sure....not lol" basic af confirmed.

denigrated to personal attacks then? nothing left?

 

[guru1000]

Guru I'm not the first to call you out and won't be the last. It's become Cartoon level at this point, I mean you refer to yourself in the third person for crissakes.

Yes a cartoon for you is not getting cheated on and abused by women LOL.

Unfortunately your cartoon comedy of the VICTIM will continue to be called out. Willful Weak behavior deserves to be crushed.

 

[sazc]

like others said previously you just take the side of whichever guy supports your position in any given thread.

Not personal attacks just your inability to understand Nuance in language and mocking your basic Behavior.

Again I consider your ability to clearly comprehend/communicate.

You are notorious for reading/inserting content/meaning, that I never even remotely alluded to, into my posts, and now you are trying to back away from your sweeping statement:

Women cant even end a relationship without backups and you think they cheat less?

by telling me I have autism and/or I cant call you out for making a specific statement because "it's nuance" and "that's not fair, we all do that on this board, but we dont mean it'

sure, okay

 

[guru1000]

Btw for the record, never cheated on a girl where exclusivity had been agreed on.

But it’s not in most girls’ best interest to be exclusive with me, the “asking price” to such a surrender is very high.

 

[zekko]

Cheating aside, it's well known that most divorces are initiated by women. That suggests that women are not as loyal, and that they do not take their commitments as seriously.

It could be that they are simply responding to bad behavior by their men, but that's hardly living up to the "for better or for worse, til death do we part" business, is it?

 

[guru1000]

Cheating aside, it's well known that most divorces are initiated by women. That suggests that women are not as loyal, and that they do not take their commitments as seriously.

It could be that they are simply responding to bad behavior by their men, but that's hardly living up to the "for better or for worse, til death do we part" business, is it?

Or perhaps they have greater incentives in a divorce than what most men have.

 

[guru1000]

The concept of loyalty is to stay true even when incentives tell you to do otherwise.

Unfortunately when push comes to shove, most behaviors are not governed by morality, but rather by their incentives/motivations.

Hence, the need for contracts such as prenups should future incentives belie the original agreement.

 

[guru1000]

Totally agree. Unfortunately often the hyperfeminized judges will try to nullify such contracts through various reasons (She was pressured, it was not an "equal" contract, etc,...).

As I always say a prenup is only as strong as its lawyer’s experience and knowledge of prevailing case law.

In most instances, Setting aside a prenup I attribute to the failing of the attorney who prepared it. The general appellate precedence in most states for prenups to be set aside are unconscionability, incomplete/false info, invalid/lopsided provisions, fraud, duress, no legal representation by an executed party, among others. I’d combine this with strong corporate structures (e.g. domestic trusts with LLC trustees, offshore trusts), clear and concise bookkeeping, and no commingling between individual-corporate.

Of course, the easiest and strongest strategy in non-community states is don’t get the state marriage certificate as I believe you did.

 

[guru1000]

I was well protected by my prenup and it was an amicable divorce so I was totally unscathed.

I do know of a couple of others who did not fare so well even with a prenup.

Very nuanced discussion. Need specific examples, to read the prenups in question, the legal arguments and adjudicated findings as to why the
the prenup was set aside. Specifically what the prenup lacked which merited its vacature.

Courts abide by operating case law of the
State of jurisdiction. If the courts don’t which does happen, court decisions, too, can be set aside by motion to reargue or renew, to modify, or by appeal.

Though this does not mean that strong prenups by the best lawyers are fool proof, as you have other governing factors such as future financial or other behaviors that contradict the prenup, and presiding case law (for the state) changing.

Though, It could be well argued that There is also no foolproof method by not getting married (especially in cohabitating LTRs), even in a non-common law state, as a skilled litigant could attempt to create and enforce a contract of financial responsibility (by promises especially where the evidence demonstrates, e.g. “palimony”) where there was no paper contract and tie up income/assets in abeyance for 5-10 years while incurring costly litigation, even if one ended up victorious.

Becoming a skilled judge of people, you can see which types are more likely to create these litigious encumbrances.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Of course we always hear stories of women cheating... but I have to be honest it seems like most girls I've encountered who are in relationships won't stray.

I like to experiment with women/dating/seduction etc.... Most girls I know 100% or with someone or even recently started dating exclusively all don't seem interested in going out with other men.

I do have a current experiment which is an exception to this though which I'll post about separately but for the most part I agree with what I just wrote above.

I guess I'm somewhat being bold and challenging the hypergamy theory a bit.... Let me break it down simply to what I believe with an example and then hear all your rebuttals

Let's say an attractive female who has had a somewhat stable life has been dating a man who has a modest job... maybe he is retail store manager or something. Let's say an affluent doctor shows interest in her and want to date her... Well the reality I have seen is that the girl will not entertain dating this new doctor... Even if he presses her a bit with constant attention it will be difficult to make her budge.


Thoughts?

"Loyalty" is another one of those words that gets tossed around, like "courage," "morals," etc.

The bottom line is people, male or female, make choices based on what will be the best possible outcome for that person.

Once you're faced with any given choice, all talk of loyalty can go out the window. Aside from loyalty to yourself, the concept is part of the male Disney fantasy.

A person who stays faithful to his partner does it because that's the best option for him or her.

The incentives may have changed over the decades, but the song remains the same. You might believe that people in the past were more loyal, where in reality they were presented with different consequences.

Even a dog might be perceived as loyal, but he's making a choice not to bite the hand that feeds him.

Some folks are loyal. It has nothing to do with options presented to them.