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[flowtheory]

Sorry buddy, core values can't be changed. It's forever.

But it can be suppressed and not hold primacy.

That's where principles come into play.

Values can be changed. Everything within your own psyche can be changed. The brain is plastic; not fixed like neurologists once believed in the later 90’s.

Questioning and shifting old ways of thinking, enforced though action and repetition can navigate oneself away from old patterns and further challenge old ways which may be subjectively detrimental to that individual.
Beliefs and habits die hard, and most people simply do not have the mental fortitude to carry on through this process, mostly because they have not evaluated why such character trait(s), belief(s) or value(s) are a causation of poor effects to varying degrees.
However, the ones who do, can successfully.

 

[Spaz]

Values can be changed. Everything within your own psyche can be changed. The brain is plastic; not fixed like neurologists once believed in the later 90’s.

Questioning and shifting old ways of thinking, enforced though action and repetition can navigate oneself away from old patterns and further challenge old ways which may be subjectively detrimental to that individual.
Beliefs and habits die hard, and most people simply do not have the mental fortitude to carry on through this process, mostly because they have not evaluated why such character trait(s), belief(s) or value(s) are a causation of poor effects to varying degrees.
However, the ones who do, can successfully.

Core Values are the values you're been imbued whilst ur brain is at its formative stages, where critical thoughts are not developed or when it starts at around perhaps 11 (I'm guessing here, please check) and ends perhaps early adulthood.

It's embedded. These are your core, values thought to you by your parents etc.

Core values must not be confused with other values you're picked up along the way with critical thinking.

The importance of accepting this plays an important role towards suppressing and even overcoming core values that has proven to be of negative influence such as feminine values or the feminine imperatives imparted in early childhood of a boy.

Ideally primacy should be given to principles instead of core values to influence how you do things, to better reflect your desired result in life.

 

[HughJasolphd]

In regards to the last few posts I thought I'd add my 2 cents. One of my closest friends is a certified psychologist, life coach & a meditation coach & has gone over whether or not values can be changed extensively. Ofcourse everyone's entitled to their own interpretation of what is & isn't, but from what I've learned I find these couple of things to be correct;
-Your formative years (ages birth-7 to 8yrs ) are the most important years in terms of laying the groundwork for who you will be later down the line. I always remember the quote that the Christian churches in my area would use "just give us your child's first couple of years to show them gods love"...that tells me that if they get to the child early enough, odds are they will be under the churches thumb so to speak for the remainder of their life due to their now in place core belief.
-we consciously use only about 5% of our brains while the rest is left to subconscious conditioning. Values seem impossible to break because we try to change them on a conscious level. Sure, we can get the motivation & desire to change but if the tape recorder in our brains keep telling us the same story we've had playing in the depths of our mind for nearly forever, those old patterns will continue to resurface & our desires + internal programming will never be congruent.
-So if we need to change on a subconscious level, that would require lots of meditation, preferably with recordings playing in the background for our brains to tap into the subconscious part & overwrite the stuff we want to change. Accessing the theta waves where we begin to consciously create our reality is most accessible during sleep. It leaves our subconscious open to suggestion for change of the hard wired patterns we have ingrained.

I think the best combination to potentially change your core values must come from subconscious programming & conscious action to reinforce the stuff that's being "downloaded" while you meditate or sleep. I don't think it would be possible to completely change a value just by subconscious work alone. Getting real world feedback & repetition of a new action I believe will make the subconscious work more concrete over time.

 

[guru1000]

The bottom line, however, will always be in how malleable people are under any circumstance when
You can be a strong pair of hands that molds clay, or, you can be the clay.

Unless of course your frame is to be that of “fluid nature,” so the subject believes he/she has frame but really is insidiously and surreptitiously succumbing to yours.

 

[Ranger]

Think of a time when you were in the worst situation possible. Life and death is best. Somehow, someway, you came out of it and you realized that you did it and it was as natural as breathing.
Remember how alive you felt at that moment.
There’s your frame. Invincibly incarnate.


Now display it.

 

[Spaz]

In regards to the last few posts I thought I'd add my 2 cents. One of my closest friends is a certified psychologist, life coach & a meditation coach & has gone over whether or not values can be changed extensively. Ofcourse everyone's entitled to their own interpretation of what is & isn't, but from what I've learned I find these couple of things to be correct;
-Your formative years (ages birth-7 to 8yrs ) are the most important years in terms of laying the groundwork for who you will be later down the line. I always remember the quote that the Christian churches in my area would use "just give us your child's first couple of years to show them gods love"...that tells me that if they get to the child early enough, odds are they will be under the churches thumb so to speak for the remainder of their life due to their now in place core belief.
-we consciously use only about 5% of our brains while the rest is left to subconscious conditioning. Values seem impossible to break because we try to change them on a conscious level. Sure, we can get the motivation & desire to change but if the tape recorder in our brains keep telling us the same story we've had playing in the depths of our mind for nearly forever, those old patterns will continue to resurface & our desires + internal programming will never be congruent.
-So if we need to change on a subconscious level, that would require lots of meditation, preferably with recordings playing in the background for our brains to tap into the subconscious part & overwrite the stuff we want to change. Accessing the theta waves where we begin to consciously create our reality is most accessible during sleep. It leaves our subconscious open to suggestion for change of the hard wired patterns we have ingrained.

I think the best combination to potentially change your core values must come from subconscious programming & conscious action to reinforce the stuff that's being "downloaded" while you meditate or sleep. I don't think it would be possible to completely change a value just by subconscious work alone. Getting real world feedback & repetition of a new action I believe will make the subconscious work more concrete over time.

Very clever.

Once a program has entered as you mentioned in a man's formative years it cannot be unwritten, however a new programme can be used to overlap the older programming.

It's the new programming that will be fighting for dominance over the core programming. Once the new program hold dominance it will then have direct influence on how things will be done.

But the thing is, that inner programme is still there, it's just being suppressed. Which is why you see men coming to this forum, despite claiming to be red pill aware, alpha infused, macho man with superman powers keep falling back to their beta-ness.

 

[Spaz]

I forgot to add, in order to suppress the core programming you'll need a new programme to overlap the new programme with a newer programme and on and on it goes until the core programming becomes buried unable to rear it's ugly head.

That's gonna make some hamster spinning over time.

Good luck gents !

Christmas present right here from Spaz!

 

[Ranger]

I forgot to add, in order to suppress the core programming you'll need a new programme to overlap the new programme with a newer programme and on and on it goes until the core programming becomes buried unable to rear it's ugly head.

That's gonna make some hamster spinning over time.

Good luck gents !

Christmas present right here from Spaz!

So which has the most power. Your programming from childhood or your natural dominant or passive Natural tendencies?

 

[Spaz]

At our core. We are all conquerer fun loving Don Juan’s. It’s just that social conditioning has messed us up. I grew up beta 100% but not to brag I’m stunting on almost everyone I meet now lol because of this site and my own inner work

Apply what I've said here and you will be greater then before.

Guaranteed.

 

[Spaz]

So which has the most power. Your programming from childhood or your natural dominant or feeler
Natural tendencies?

Interesting question Ranger.

One that no one has asked but a very important one.

There r 2 passives and 2 dominants. Both these traits is predetermined during conception. By who? I don't know. Take a guess ? I say it's within the DNA coding per natural selection.

Passives are the expressive and the intellectuals.

Dominants are the motivators and the doers.

The passives will be more susceptible to programming even after critical thinking is present that's starts at the ages of perhaps 11 (I'm guessing base on experience and observations).

These are the group of men that will be mostly affected throughout their lives.

The dominants will rebel towards programming after critical thinking starts around the ages of 11 and ends at early 20's. Rebel doesn't equates rejection. So while they might rebel and reject some programming, they will be predisposed to accept masculine programming by their very inherent nature. Absent masculine presence, these boys might accept the feminine version of masculinity.

These are the group of men that has it the easiest in life if a male presence is dominant in their formative years but also the hardest hit when without.

However, both dominants and passives cannot rebel or fight the programming that took place during the ages of 0 to 8. Critical thinking during that ages is not present yet as the brain is still at its infancy and going through its formative growth.

Do be reminded that full critical thinking is only possible when the brain has finished it's formation - early 20's is my estimation.

The answer to your question then Ranger, it depends entirely on the above variables and which fits in into what. But by then the answer will be obvious.

 

[Ranger]

I kind of understand what spaz is getting at. In my opinion, the childhood programming has the most power because it is the easiest to sink back into. Think of it like you are in a quicksand. The new programming is you clawing your way out and you’ll get better at it but the old conditioning is always there lurking waiting for you to get lazy then it’ll suck you back in.

Agreed. Underneath there is dominant/passive personality. I’m looking at that right now. It’s like a temperament.

 

[Ranger]

Propensities and natural inherent inclinations are predisposed to dominate/passive personality traits.

The original programming is a bytch. A wolf in sheep’s clothing apparently, sitting on top of it.

@Spaz, you commented that putting one program after another on top of the original programming suppresses it. When I finally saw the Feminine Imperative with clarity, with certainty, does that not defuse the original programming somewhat or does it just make it easier to lay a new program over it?

 

[Spaz]

Propensities and natural inherent inclinations are predisposed to dominate/passive personality traits.

The original programming is a bytch. A wolf in sheep’s clothing apparently, sitting on top of it.

@Spaz, you commented that putting one program after another on top of the original programming suppresses it. When I finally saw the Feminine Imperative with clarity, with certainty, does that not defuse the original programming somewhat or does it just make it easier to lay a new program over it?

The original programming can't be defused. Think of it as a virus which is basically a program that been locked with the keys thrown away. You just need a program to override the virus natural impulses but the virus by its nature is so pervasive that you'll need more programmes to reduce its impact.

Laying a new program will not be any easier but the new program won't be corrupted.

Just realise that adding a program is only effective if it's running all the time.

It's useless if there's a new program but it's never run or executed.

 

[fastlife]

R u trying to bullshiit people into believing they can travel into their past and change their childhood ?

They can't.

Go back and read the entirety of my post in this thread to understand better.

If you can't then let me know, I'd be happy to explain it.

You can't change the past, but you can change your interpretation of it & from that interpretation you can change the emotional narrative you draw from it. And I'm not talking about suppressing anything. I'm talking about rewiring your thoughts.

I got in depth on that process here: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/create-your-own-confidence-how-to-be-you.233590/ Combine that with taking action to reinforce, challenge & prove those new beliefs & it will stick. It will take time, but you are no means resigned to whatever assumptions you made about yourself as a child.

 

[Spaz]

You can't change the past, but you can change your interpretation of it & from that interpretation you can change the emotional narrative you draw from it. And I'm not talking about suppressing anything. I'm talking about rewiring your thoughts.

I got in depth on that process here: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/create-your-own-confidence-how-to-be-you.233590/ Combine that with taking action to reinforce, challenge & prove those new beliefs & it will stick. It will take time, but you are no means resigned to whatever assumptions you made about yourself as a child.

Rewiring of values can be done. It's done throughout a man's life.

I'm talking about the "core" at the deepest subconscious where it cannot be rewired, it's formation is not merely ideas but it's ideas formed during formation of the brain.

Hence the need of other values to supercede those core values.

 

[fastlife]

Rewiring of values can be done. It's done throughout a man's life.

I'm talking about the "core" at the deepest subconscious where it cannot be rewired, it's formation is not merely ideas but it's ideas formed during formation of the brain.

And I'm saying it can. I welcome every man on this thread to try both approaches and see which gets them further

 

[Spaz]

And I'm saying it can. I welcome every man on this thread to try both approaches and see which gets them further

Even right now, ur core values is omnipresent despite you wishing it otherwise.

It's appearance will manifest itself when your other values is challenged.

The stronger the challenge the more the core values leaks out.

Which is why fake manliness or fake dominants loses to one who is an original. The original will always trump the fake because his core values backs him up all throughout his other values as he knows no other values.

 

[HughJasolphd]

Very clever.

Once a program has entered as you mentioned in a man's formative years it cannot be unwritten, however a new programme can be used to overlap the older programming.

It's the new programming that will be fighting for dominance over the core programming. Once the new program hold dominance it will then have direct influence on how things will be done.

But the thing is, that inner programme is still there, it's just being suppressed. Which is why you see men coming to this forum, despite claiming to be red pill aware, alpha infused, macho man with superman powers keep falling back to their beta-ness.

Not sure if you're a reader but three books on this subject that I really recommend are "the biology of belief" by Bruce Lipton, & "breaking the habit of being yourself" & "you are the placebo" by Joe Dispenza. The first book is from a very scientific perspective, so it may be a bit boring if you're not into that stuff, but the second book is really an interesting read & gives a lot of applicable steps to going about tapping into the subconscious programming. If you have an android phone I can send you the pdf files of the books if you'd like, just let me know brother

 

[Spaz]

Not sure if you're a reader but three books on this subject that I really recommend are "the biology of belief" by Bruce Lipton, & "breaking the habit of being yourself" & "you are the placebo" by Joe Dispenza. The first book is from a very scientific perspective, so it may be a bit boring if you're not into that stuff, but the second book is really an interesting read & gives a lot of applicable steps to going about tapping into the subconscious programming. If you have an android phone I can send you the pdf files of the books if you'd like, just let me know brother

You'd be the 2nd man on SS to hear a story of my childhood, the training, the sacrifices, the battles, the hunts, the initiation into manhood that i underwent in my tribal hunter/gatherer/warrior society and the adjustments i undertook when i was sent into the modern world, its what shaped who I am today and the philosophy's or principles I hold today is a fusion between both worlds.

I guess it's been a long while coming, some uncomfortable memories that I've suppressed is tattooed at the back of my body as a reminder of who I am - I'll need to find myself a good mirror to jump start my memories 40 years ago.

I find you deserving of this story. A respect from one man to another.

PM me if you feel you'd like to hear it and use the wisdoms there in your life journey.

 

[HughJasolphd]

You'd be the 2nd man on SS to hear a story of my childhood, the training, the sacrifices, the battles, the hunts, the initiation into manhood that i underwent in my tribal hunter/gatherer/warrior society and the adjustments i undertook when i was sent into the modern world, its what shaped who I am today and the philosophy's or principles I hold today is a fusion between both worlds.

I guess it's been a long while coming, some uncomfortable memories that I've suppressed is tattooed at the back of my body as a reminder of who I am - I'll need to find myself a good mirror to jump start my memories 40 years ago.

I find you deserving of this story. A respect from one man to another.

PM me if you feel you'd like to hear it and use the wisdoms there in your life journey.

I feel like we may share some common ground brother. Fate always has a way of linking me towards strong minded individuals who have gone through the fire of life & came out the other side of it battle hardened & better because of it. I'll shoot you a message, I'd be honored to listen to your story & learn something in the process.