Height and OLD

[Spaz]

They're making the argument for us. LOL

Those who refuse to lie prompted by fear of when she finds out she will lose attraction are the real supplicators. They structure--and for some suppress--their behavior in fear of her reaction and exit.

The irony, here, is a liar who DGAF, will play with his lies, and even throw them out there unnecessarily, and lie and about her understanding of his lie through a discussion prompted by him, and her knowing very well he is lying as he is continues to play with her, and she will still run across a mine field to stay with him. Hilarious!

Fellas, in the end. Lie, don't lie ... the action is irrelevant. All that matters is FRAME, the motivations from which you are operating.

Exactly !

I'm still having revulsions when I heard that a man must be worthy of a woman..

 

[AJ84]

If some guy wants to lie to get dates so be it, but let’s not try to justify it with some frame manly mumbo jumbo. It’s lying to get dates period full stop.

If it works it works but trying to take the high ground on lying with some bs crap is transparent. Just own it and move on and don’t complain when women do the same, like the OP said, all is fair right.

 

[guru1000]

If it works it works but trying to take the high ground on lying with some bs crap is transparent. .

Something to munch on:

“Trying” to take the high ground by telling the truth operates outside of the try-er’s desire else he need not try, and thus such a “trying” act belies his genuine desire to behave as he were and thus he is lying.

Whether one tells the truth or not needs to organically arise from his own desire—not ”tried.”

 

[Murk]

7 pages is too much to read so lemme say this. I am 6’2 but have many shorter friends. I have 2 close friends about 5’7ish maybe 5’6, both have beautiful children (one’s my Godson) with stunning women, ones half Indian Colombian the other white and black green eyes, gorgeous.

I have another Indian friend (I only mention this because I’ve seen a few indin guys on here crying) he has a kid with the most amazing Spanish chick you will ever see. Good women. Hot but great mother’s, smart, good family career minded etc.

The only place in my 29 years in living I’ve seen so much onus placed on height, weight and physical appearance is this forum right here. The problem is you, your upbringing, how you’ve let people treat you and your general demeanor/character in your life.

Nothing means anything to anyone, except you. Now I realise with intelligence comes added downsides of foresight, self analysis and general overthinking and worrying. Online forums are not for your everyday Chad, hence they are populated with intelligent over thinking guys living inside their heads. Life is a lot simpler. Many of you are thinking 3-4-5 steps ahead when the only important steps is the first one.

Confidence/charm/charisma.

Work on these and you won’t need money/gym/etc.

Build the real essence of a man. Very easy to read my post, nod, and go back to usual habits. It’s a mindset and way of living a few paragraphs on a screen can’t teach you.

Good luck.

 

[Spaz]

If some guy wants to lie to get dates so be it, but let’s not try to justify it with some frame manly mumbo jumbo. It’s lying to get dates period full stop.

Well that's interesting AJ. I'm glad you actually wrote it.

When women puts on their makeup and cloths/accessories to flatter their otherwise dull figure, it is a constant lie about their looks every single day.

A projection that's based on lies but is being spun around as an acceptable conduct by women because that's their frame.

R u saying that's mumbo jumbo too ?

Well according to your logic, women must then be doing it.

The difference is women are doing on a larger grander scale that's consistently being done on a daily basis. Even you today as you leave your home is lying to the whole world on how you actually look like.

And a mere lie on a 2 inch height that's used only once on an OLD profile gets you all puffed up.

Who's selling crap frame now ?

 

[guru1000]

Spaz, what AJ and others are “trying” to sell is if a particular lie is socially acceptable (makeup, high heels, etc.), then it’s not a lie.

Contrariwise, a lie that has not been adopted yet by society is to be shamed as the “low ground.” And should society adopt the lie, then such a lie would be neutral or perhaps diametrically praised as the “high ground.”

But what happens to our nobility seekers when social constructs change as they often do?

Very sheepish thinking.

A man need to think outside of the (social) box to carve a life of (his own) truths. Herein is where free will lies. All other thinkers are slaves to social constructs and circumstance.

 

[Spaz]

Spaz, what AJ and others are “trying” to sell is if a particular lie is socially acceptable (makeup, high heels, etc.), then it’s not a lie.

Contrariwise, a lie that has not been adopted yet by society is to be shamed as the “low ground.” And should society adopt the lie, then such a lie would be neutral or perhaps diametrically praised as the “high ground.”

But what happens to our nobility seekers when social constructs change as they often do?

Very sheepish thinking.

A man need to think outside of the (social) box to carve a life of (his own) truths. Herein is where free will lies. All other thinkers are slaves to social constructs and circumstance.

I get it but the double standards displayed here is outstanding in its hypocrisy.

If it's men selling this then it's easily corrected by pointing the obvious.

But when women tries to sell it when they are in fact the greatest liars by consistency then it suggests it's manipulation to keep men supplicant - ergo, worthy of women.

 

[AJ84]

Well that's interesting AJ. I'm glad you actually wrote it.

When women puts on their makeup and cloths/accessories to flatter their otherwise dull figure, it is a constant lie about their looks every single day.

A projection that's based on lies but is being spun around as an acceptable conduct by women because that's their frame.

R u saying that's mumbo jumbo too ?

Well according to your logic, women must then be doing it.

The difference is women are doing on a larger grander scale that's consistently being done on a daily basis. Even you today as you leave your home is lying to the whole world on how you actually look like.

And a mere lie on a 2 inch height that's used only once on an OLD profile gets you all puffed up.

Who's selling crap frame now ?

I’m not puffed up. Like I said Spaz, own it. Because yep women do wear the padded push up bras etc etc. But I don’t hear women using some high ground ‘he will be under my spell with my Victoria secret bra and false eyelashes because it’s all a part of my feminine power bs.’

99.9 percent of women know that once she’s naked, he’s going to go for it regardless.

So like I said, people lie to get dates. And yes coming across as a c cup when she’s really a b is a lie.

But women don’t usually list bra size, skin tone, and eyelash length in their OLD profile do they?

And how many members have posted filtered pics of women they either dated or found online to use as standard of beauty. Filtered pics.

And how many members here ridicule women who don’t make an effort to look good. Like that married guy with the hall pass because he doesn’t accept that his wife wants him to accept her for who she is. You know the guy who we are giving advice to on how to meet women?

So yeah, you guys like when we get dolled up even if it’s a lie let’s not even go there Spaz lol.

 

[AJ84]

I get it but the double standards displayed here is outstanding in its hypocrisy.

If it's men selling this then it's easily corrected by pointing the obvious.

But when women tries to sell it when they are in fact the greatest liars by consistency then it suggests it's manipulation to keep men supplicant - ergo, worthy of women.

Do you think women wear padded push up bras for each other? Do you even know uncomfortable those bras are? Or how uncomfortable high heels are?
You know who we do this for come on Hahahaha. In a way it is to be seen as worthy. Worthy of his attention and affection. Is it healthy? Perhaps not, but it’s been done since the dawn of time and it sure beats showing up to a first date looking like you don’t own a mirror. Even stunning women enhance their appearance.

Unless you would prefer the fem nazis who don’t shave their pits and put down women who wear make up.

 

[AJ84]

Spaz, what AJ and others are “trying” to sell is if a particular lie is socially acceptable (makeup, high heels, etc.), then it’s not a lie.

Contrariwise, a lie that has not been adopted yet by society is to be shamed as the “low ground.” And should society adopt the lie, then such a lie would be neutral or perhaps diametrically praised as the “high ground.”

But what happens to our nobility seekers when social constructs change as they often do?

Very sheepish thinking.

A man need to think outside of the (social) box to carve a life of (his own) truths. Herein is where free will lies. All other thinkers are slaves to social constructs and circumstance.

Lying about your appearance isn’t thinking outside of the social box, it’s a direct response to the social box on how to benefit from being inside it.

The social box in this case is the standard by which women rate male attractiveness by his height. On the flip side men rate female attractiveness by her weight. There is more criteria but in an effort to be succinct...

Lying about height, or a woman lying about her weight, is trying to manage while inside the box and is anything but free thinking.

And there’s nothing wrong with that, I’m just pointing it out that’s all.

 

[Spaz]

On the flip side men rate female attractiveness by her weight. There is more criteria but in an effort to be succinct...

Well now I'm mightily interested to know which man here agrees with this statement.

Any takers guys ?

AJ I most definitely don't rate women by her weight. I don't even know what an average 5'6" woman weighs much less care.

I rate her by her curves, and her other obvious assets.

 

[AJ84]

Well now I'm mightily interested to know which man here agrees with this statement.

Any takers guys ?

AJ I most definitely don't rate women by her weight. I don't even know what an average 5'6" woman weighs much less care.

I rate her by her curves, and her other obvious assets.

Good point yes. I guess body type not weight. Basically, curves like you said, legs, bust etc.

There’s more criteria like I said but for the purposes of the social box and thinking outside of it.

 

[guru1000]

Lying about your appearance isn’t thinking outside of the social box, it’s a direct response to the social box on how to benefit from being inside it.

The social box in this case is the standard by which women rate male attractiveness by his height. On the flip side men rate female attractiveness by her weight. There is more criteria but in an effort to be succinct...

Lying about height, or a woman lying about her weight, is trying to manage while inside the box and is anything but free thinking.

And there’s nothing wrong with that, I’m just pointing it out that’s all.

For a man to lie at all, he is already outside the social box, which is easily decipherable by your comment of "high ground" when referring to the socially accepted "truism" that for men "Truth is the high ground." Social constructs demand that men are "naked" in truth else be an shamed as the aberration, the "low life," the"try hard," the "liar."

Social constructs demand that men must have "integrity" else he's no man. But women, ahh women ... they get the free pass, because, well they're women ... such emotional beings with such whimsicalities so it's excused. So excused in fact that the blush, eye liner, mascara, fake eyebrows and eyelashes, hair extensions, pushup or padded bras, contouring to contrive high and full cheekbones , and three-inch high heels for leg and hip accentuation ... well now ... although a completely different person ... she's no liar in her deliberate effort to appeal to men's primary biological motivation, her looks. But should the poor short guy with zero cosmetic contrivances lie about his height by two inches, well then, he's no man and let both men and women shame him and throw stones.

 

[AJ84]

For a man to lie at all, he is already outside the social box, which is easily decipherable by your comment of "high ground" when referring to the socially accepted "truism" that for men "Truth is the high ground." Social constructs demand that men are "naked" in truth else be an shamed as the aberation, the "low life," the"degenerate," the "liar."

Social constructs demand that men must have "integrity" else he's no man. But women, ahh women ... they get the free pass, because, well they're women ... such emotional beings with such whimsicalities so it's excused. So excused in fact that the blush, eye liner, mascara, fake eyebrows and eyelashes, hair extensions, pushup or padded bras, contouring to contrive high and full cheekbones , and three-inch high heels for leg and hip accentuation ... well now ... although a completely different person ... she's no liar in her deliberate effort to appeal to men's primary biological motivation, her looks. But should the poor short guy with zero cosmetic contrivances lie about his height by two inches, well then, he's no man and let both men and women shame him and throw stones.

Acting outside of the social box means simply a man doing whatever he desires to do without both men and women shaming him as not being "worthy" enough "naked."

I’m not shaming the OP. If you go back and read my responses you will see that. Maybe you are getting my posts mixed up with someone else’s? And I certainly don’t think women who lie have the high ground nor should we justify their lies while shaming a man’s. Nowhere in any of my posts have I implied that men should be shamed for lying and women should not be.

And for a man to lie, no he is not outside the social box.

People lie to avoid the consequences that exist inside the social box when they tell the truth. If they were outside of the social box, they would not care to lie because they would not care about the consequences.

So maybe you see yourself as outside of the social box. But the woman you lie to, is she outside of the box? If so, then would you need to lie to her to get a date?
If she is in the box and you are lying to her in order to get a date or get laid, your actions are motivated by the values and consequences inside of the box. So, you’re kind of in it, no?

 

[Spaz]

For a man to lie at all, he is already outside the social box, which is easily decipherable by your comment of "high ground" when referring to the socially accepted "truism" that for men "Truth is the high ground." Social constructs demand that men are "naked" in truth else be an shamed as the aberration, the "low life," the"try hard," the "liar."

Social constructs demand that men must have "integrity" else he's no man. But women, ahh women ... they get the free pass, because, well they're women ... such emotional beings with such whimsicalities so it's excused. So excused in fact that the blush, eye liner, mascara, fake eyebrows and eyelashes, hair extensions, pushup or padded bras, contouring to contrive high and full cheekbones , and three-inch high heels for leg and hip accentuation ... well now ... although a completely different person ... she's no liar in her deliberate effort to appeal to men's primary biological motivation, her looks. But should the poor short guy with zero cosmetic contrivances lie about his height by two inches, well then, he's no man and let both men and women shame him and throw stones.

Exactly !

And I will expand on ur post to add in my perspectives for others reading this thread.

The social construct you mentioned is primarily feminine is structure.

If you dwell further, it's primary objective is to make men sublimely oblivious to the gentle-tification of man per that social box (feminine). It's a form of control. Hence the glorification of the term gentleman - a man who is gentled and that's within the feminine imperative to do so, a biological drive of women for their safety and survival, for themselves and their offspring.

On the flip-side, in the world of men and beasts these very same construct is what renders a man to be less effective as he stubbornly adheres to said constructs. Not knowing by doing so invariably leads him towards having limited successes due to the imposed limitations on himself.

However a man understanding his truest form pushes all set boundaries aside and replaces it with his own set of social construct, the masculine social construct that's geared towards winning in all possible situations. A man who has little limitations has an almost unlimited opportunities in life.

 

[HankHill]

I asked before but no one answered...who decides when lying is acceptable and when it's not? Because we sure as hell don't think cat-fishing by women should be tolerated- hypocrisy/double-standard, no?

 

[Spaz]

I’m not puffed up. Like I said Spaz, own it. Because yep women do wear the padded push up bras etc etc. But I don’t hear women using some high ground ‘he will be under my spell with my Victoria secret bra and false eyelashes because it’s all a part of my feminine power bs.’

99.9 percent of women know that once she’s naked, he’s going to go for it regardless.

So like I said, people lie to get dates. And yes coming across as a c cup when she’s really a b is a lie.

But women don’t usually list bra size, skin tone, and eyelash length in their OLD profile do they?

And how many members have posted filtered pics of women they either dated or found online to use as standard of beauty. Filtered pics.

And how many members here ridicule women who don’t make an effort to look good. Like that married guy with the hall pass because he doesn’t accept that his wife wants him to accept her for who she is. You know the guy who we are giving advice to on how to meet women?

So yeah, you guys like when we get dolled up even if it’s a lie let’s not even go there Spaz lol.

Ahh I've missed this post and went straight for the latter.

Let's not miss an opportunity as it present itself.

"Own" what exactly, per your perspective or mine ?

Mine is to win.

What's yours ? Integrity ? Come'on let's not even go there. Lying via manipulation is a women's only true weapon in this world. But I'm not denying you that or for that matter any women.

Now as an example, as I'm in the business of making profits in real life and when another business entity that loses out to me on getting a multi million dollar contract, he'll invariably put word out that Spaz lied and subsequently cheated to get it. That I don't play by the rules. He has motivation to do so, care to guess why ?

Others might rightfully think so based on my competitor's arguments.

I would then turn to my detractors and say, it's nothing personal, it's just business, my job is to ensure profitability for my organisation.

My truth is your lie. And your truth is my lie.

Don't blame me for being effective and for being unique by thinking out of the box.

 

[Spaz]

Do you think women wear padded push up bras for each other? Do you even know uncomfortable those bras are? Or how uncomfortable high heels are?
You know who we do this for come on Hahahaha. In a way it is to be seen as worthy. Worthy of his attention and affection. Is it healthy? Perhaps not, but it’s been done since the dawn of time and it sure beats showing up to a first date looking like you don’t own a mirror. Even stunning women enhance their appearance.

Unless you would prefer the fem nazis who don’t shave their pits and put down women who wear make up.

Dang! I missed this one too. Somethings wrong with the notifications.

Yes, women do all those (as you're mentioned) to get the attentions of men.

Period.

There's no worthiness involved there at all as it's all rooted in lies and manipulation.

Period.

And I'm not even complaining about it. In fact I rather enjoy seeing women do it.

Period.

Which points back towards why the fuss over a mere 2" by a man that's being projected in an OLD profile ?

If it's not a problem to begin with then why do some people keep on implying that it's "bad". And the key word here is implying.

 

[AriMamba]

Pathetic imo, presenting your best side is one thing but I could never tell full on lies about myself like this. It's not worth it just for sex. But I understand that many people don't feel that way, so if it works for a while before women collectively start deducting 5-8 cm from what you say your height is (I think they already do), that's great. Just don't come back complaining about any of their behavior after this

Women Lie all the time. I don’t understand what is the point of all this moral ****. I’m going to say I’m 6’3 even though I’m a solid 6’1 because no one would know the difference.

 

[The Diver]

I may be going to be slaughter by some of you here, but here is what I think:
(I maybe will sound naive, but that the way I find it best for me to live my life.)

Justifying lying and lack of integrity B'cos women doing it , is Bs.
I'm not lying, not bc's I care what will happen if a woman finds me lie, I'm not lying B'cos I'm a man, not a woman.
We are MEN, we walk through life high and proud, we own and embrace our flaws with a confidante and mighty inner strength. We are not pus*ses who need to hide behind lies. Women lie, Men not.
Why are you insisting, behaving like women, is a good thing ???

I don't care if it's for dating or anything else, I'm a man, not a woman.

Women lie, Men not. Be a man, not a woman.