Women don't play hard to get when interested....

[tanfox]

This is because you are an average value guy. You're in the fat part of the bell curve that most men occupy. You're not utterly repulsive like the ugliest guys, but you're not swoon worthy, like the hottest guys. Both extremes of the bell curve evoke strong emotions.

However, we live in a strange historical era of political correctness where many of the freaks and super low value guys are now supposed to be a part of "protected categories" ie the disabled, blacks, mexicans, etc. Women used to flee from these men, call them names, yell at them. Now, women are taught that these men are actually the BEST men. All media tells women that they should either have sex with these men, or at least treat them nicely.

So what does that leave? Only the *best looking men* evoke very strong reactions. Women can no longer say "Yuck! Black guys are gross!" They can't even *act* in a way in which we could infer that attitude. Women are forced to be nice to blacks and society praises women who date black men.

However, good looking men face all sorts of negative stereotypes: good looking guys are all supposedly jocks, douchebags, cheaters, chads, etc. Of course women naturally want good looking men so they wind up fighting their instincts because it's not politically correct to want these men. They're supposed to date and marry either:

1. sensitive, soft, shy guys ie soyboys or
2. minorities, esp. blacks or else they are racist.

So, women develop all sorts of complexes and neuroses about good looking guys and feel conflicted and weird around good looking men.

So, yeah, 95% of men within the two middle standard deviations will never experience the strong, conflicted reactions that good looking men trigger.

It's only the top 2.5% of men, and it probably drops down to maybe 10% of men, who really create all kinds of havoc in women's hormones and cause them to freak out.

You will never experience a situation where a woman is completely emotionally fried because she can't handle your looks, 90-97% of men will never experience this, and that's ok. You will get the weaker, more subdued reactions, and you'll never have to deal with a woman who's completely wrecked emotionally because she's totally wet and crazy with lust and trying to fight her attraction because her feminist and liberal professors all tell her strong, masculine, good looking men are evil and she needs to be in control of the relationship.

After reading Corey Wayne's book about how interested women Chase men and experiencing it first hand, its true I believe.

I've never experienced a woman "playing hard to get" and then me finally winning her over with persistence.

I'm not all saying a woman will approach you, ask for your number or ask you out, but when they are intereted, THEY WILL HELP YOU.

A woman that gives you short, sometimes one word responses via text, is not playing hard to get, she is NOT interested.

A woman that says "maybe" or "I'm kind of busy, maybe some other time" in response to asking her out is not playing hard to get, she is NOT interested.

An interested woman, will put herself in proximity to you, try and make eye contact and reach out and text you if she hasn't heard from you in a couple to a few days.

Woman that seem to avoid meeting your eyes or act like you don't exist, are not playing hard to get, they are NOT interested.

This seems to hold true online too. I've noticed the only women I seem to get anywhere with are the ones who initiated a wink, made me a favorite or wrote me first.

Women Chase men they are interested in, they don't play hard to get.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I'm not a pro as many users here, my game is not bulletproof and my libido is clearly not at the highest point in my life, my need for validation is even lower therefor:

I keep it simple, I take for granted that an interested girl would never do anything to confuse, piss off, annoy or do anything that could push a guy she likes to move away or drop her.

Its really that simple if she likes me she wont give me any reason to stop pursuing her or leaving.

Will some girl be missed because of such simple policy? maybe but in the bigger picture I keep the cost/benefit ratio and the rate of return per effort spent within reasonable limits.

I' dont even leave home for a date if I sense that a girl could flake, those 20 minute potentially lost are not worth the attempt.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The 'hard to get' / 'not interested' line is a stock/default response from being chased by orbiters.

I agree with this. A woman's default position is to be unavailable because she assumes you'll just end up being the helpless desperate nice guy who won't leave her alone. Let's be honest, we can scarcely blame them. After a couple of weeks / dates, they realise you're not like those other guys. I find in a lot of cases, with decent women, it usually takes 2-3 dates, and not being a slimey creep in between, to develop that comfort. They start making it very easy after that, if they are in to you.

'Hard to get' is just a sh!t test. It's the bog standard sh!t test. If you can't pass that, you'll never pass any of the others.

 

[devilkingx2]

This is because you are an average value guy. You're in the fat part of the bell curve that most men occupy. You're not utterly repulsive like the ugliest guys, but you're not swoon worthy, like the hottest guys. Both extremes of the bell curve evoke strong emotions.

However, we live in a strange historical era of political correctness where many of the freaks and super low value guys are now supposed to be a part of "protected categories" ie the disabled, blacks, mexicans, etc. Women used to flee from these men, call them names, yell at them. Now, women are taught that these men are actually the BEST men. All media tells women that they should either have sex with these men, or at least treat them nicely.

So what does that leave? Only the *best looking men* evoke very strong reactions. Women can no longer say "Yuck! Black guys are gross!" They can't even *act* in a way in which we could infer that attitude. Women are forced to be nice to blacks and society praises women who date black men.

However, good looking men face all sorts of negative stereotypes: good looking guys are all supposedly jocks, douchebags, cheaters, chads, etc. Of course women naturally want good looking men so they wind up fighting their instincts because it's not politically correct to want these men. They're supposed to date and marry either:

1. sensitive, soft, shy guys ie soyboys or
2. minorities, esp. blacks or else they are racist.

So, women develop all sorts of complexes and neuroses about good looking guys and feel conflicted and weird around good looking men.

So, yeah, 95% of men within the two middle standard deviations will never experience the strong, conflicted reactions that good looking men trigger.

It's only the top 2.5% of men, and it probably drops down to maybe 10% of men, who really create all kinds of havoc in women's hormones and cause them to freak out.

You will never experience a situation where a woman is completely emotionally fried because she can't handle your looks, 90-97% of men will never experience this, and that's ok. You will get the weaker, more subdued reactions, and you'll never have to deal with a woman who's completely wrecked emotionally because she's totally wet and crazy with lust and trying to fight her attraction because her feminist and liberal professors all tell her strong, masculine, good looking men are evil and she needs to be in control of the relationship.

You are like a cross between stormfront and PUAhate

 

[MrJack]

Jesus Christ guys,It's only a fu*cking Pu*ssy we are talking about here. So much mind boggling for a piece of pu*ssy?. She's not interested? fu*ck her, there always will be others. No chasing.
For a people who claim themself to be a DJ, with "indifference mindset" and "abundance mentality" ,I'm amazed how much efforts , plans, and strategic, so many of you putting out to reel in an uninterested girl.
In the end of the day It's only a fu*cking pu*ssy, not a gold nuggets.

I mean IMO I personally like to learn as much as I possibly can.

I agree with whoever said “it’s not always cut and dry” because it’s not. The whole process of laying a woman from start to end is, in general, the same but there are variables to consider depending on the woman and her intentions/thoughts/where she personally is at in her life/etc.

 

[The Duke]

Advice from the old lady:

Just remember that some girls will NOT chase you. They will be responsive and warm when they hear from you...but you are the man so they don't take away your opportunity to display interest by initiating contact.

More often than not this is what high self esteem, traditionally minded, and better quality women do. They let the man do the reaching out...and then when the man reaches out, they are warm, encouraging, and responsive.

But guys will miss out on this better subset of women if guys expect these women to chase. They won't. They will assume YOU lack interest & they'll move on. They have options.

I never initiate contact until I'm months into a relationship...but if I like a man I'm very warm & responsive if/when he reaches out. I'd say with my BF now he reaches out about 85% of the time. That is phone calls, dates, texts, etc. And this is 7 months in. I do reach out once in a while now that we are dating...but very rarely. In the beginning he was the one reaching out 100% of the time.

So don't dismiss a chick who does reach out. Wrong benchmark. Rather see how she responds to you when you do reach out.

I think your approach has a lot of validity, however it leaves an element of ambiguity and its a bit old school.

So what if this guy of yours quits initiating contact? Are you going to assume he has no interest in you anymore? I can see where a guy might get tired of this behavior eventually and question your interest level. I've done it before and when it happened there was no communication discussing what happened and the relationship ended. I applied the old saying "if it comes back to you, it was meant to be". Well, she never came back and I had another girl showing interest so I chalked it up to mediocre interest on her end.

Personally these days if a chic doesn't show me sufficient interest and some investment, I'm not going to take her serious and will be messing around with other women for sure.

 

[Mike32ct]

“She’s playing hard to get.”

Isn’t that like 1978 advice? Just hearing the phrase makes my hair stand up lol.

Please delete that from the advice file. It’s nonsense. She’s interested or she’s not.

 

[tanfox]

And yet, you cannot dispute anything I say.

Most women despise blacks and mexicans. Even black and mexican women despise black and mexican men. However, women are not allowed to express their revulsion. And many are brainwashed into being 'attracted' to them, mainly for social approval.

It's the 'chads' the 'douchebags' and the best looking men who are now made fun of and taunted in the media.

Women want good looking, masculine men. However, they are taught by the media everyday that good looking men are untrustworthy douchebags of low character, whereas blacks and mexicans are supposedly the ideal partners for women. It's a complete mindf==k.

Like I said, most guys are not in the 'hot' or disgusting categories. They are mostly in between, which is why women are not conflicted. They don't have to fight either extreme attraction or extreme disgust.

I was in probably one of the most liberal/communist towns in america last week. There was a white girl, pale white, with a coal black negro guy. He had his pants down, underwear showing, wanna be gangbanger. EVERYONE stared at the couple with total contempt. But no one said anything. They repressed their disgust because they were afraid to be called 'racist.'

You are like a cross between stormfront and PUAhate

 

[mrgoodstuff]

And yet, you cannot dispute anything I say.

Most women despise blacks and mexicans. Even black and mexican women despise black and mexican men. However, women are not allowed to express their revulsion. And many are brainwashed into being 'attracted' to them, mainly for social approval.

It's the 'chads' the 'douchebags' and the best looking men who are now made fun of and taunted in the media.

Women want good looking, masculine men. However, they are taught by the media everyday that good looking men are untrustworthy douchebags of low character, whereas blacks and mexicans are supposedly the ideal partners for women. It's a complete mindf==k.

Like I said, most guys are not in the 'hot' or disgusting categories. They are mostly in between, which is why women are not conflicted. They don't have to fight either extreme attraction or extreme disgust.

I was in probably one of the most liberal/communist towns in america last week. There was a white girl, pale white, with a coal black negro guy. He had his pants down, underwear showing, wanna be gangbanger. EVERYONE stared at the couple with total contempt. But no one said anything. They repressed their disgust because they were afraid to be called 'racist.'

Dude your retarded with your misunderstanding and racist drivel.

A tall masculine SPECIMEN of a dark skinned man is the epitome of tall dark and handsome. And while some women will not marry it, or show case in their social circle for fear of ostracism, they will try out dark meat in secrecy.

Men and women of Western African origin have dominance in physical stature and athleticism. Many are seduced by this.

My skin is light so it doesn't help me any, but I'm secure enough in myself to be okay with this part of reality. All I can do is be in my best health and physical stature, but females will choose.

Focus on yourself and what you can do to better your own life.

 

[greatsnake]

they don't, because they want to get handled

 

[devilkingx2]

Most women despise blacks and mexicans. Even black and mexican women despise black and mexican men. However, women are not allowed to express their revulsion. And many are brainwashed into being 'attracted' to them, mainly for social approval.

If most women are secretly enormously racist, but they cannot ever express it because of social norms:

1. If everyone agrees how is that not the social norm? Why would they not be allowed to express what everyone thinks? That must mean more people disagree than agree

2. How do you know what women are thinking but not allowed to express?

3. Wouldn't black guys struggle to get women if most women couldn't stand them? And yet incels are overwhelmingly white, matching the demographics of the country, hmmm...

4. Why do so many non-black women love black rappers?

Etc.

You're just an alt-righter projecting nonsense.

I was in probably one of the most liberal/communist towns in america last week. There was a white girl, pale white, with a coal black negro guy. He had his pants down, underwear showing, wanna be

You think most people are just itching to publically shout out to random strangers their opinion of them and their life/dating choices? That's not normal, you judgemental narcissist.

 

[tanfox]

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

Read 'em and weep. Blacks are rated the lowest in attractiveness across the board, both as men and women, and by men and women of all races. This is an anonymous survey so results aren't as skewed by political correctness.

It's usually low status white women who date black men. If they weren't fat and/or ugly they'd have better options.

Dude your retarded with your misunderstanding and racist drivel.

A tall masculine SPECIMEN of a dark skinned man is the epitome of tall dark and handsome. And while some women will not marry it, or show case in their social circle for fear of ostracism, they will try out dark meat in secrecy.

Men and women of Western African origin have dominance in physical stature and athleticism. Many are seduced by this.

My skin is light so it doesn't help me any, but I'm secure enough in myself to be okay with this part of reality. All I can do is be in my best health and physical stature, but females will choose.

Focus on yourself and what you can do to better your own life.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

Read 'em and weep. Blacks are rated the lowest in attractiveness across the board, both as men and women, and by men and women of all races. This is an anonymous survey so results aren't as skewed by political correctness.

It's usually low status white women who date black men. If they weren't fat and/or ugly they'd have better options.

Doesn't matter.

 

[tanfox]

1. It is normal to be racist against blacks and hispanics and arabs. However, it is ILLEGAL to express these sentiments in the western world. It is called a hate crime and you can and will be imprisoned for saying so-called racist things. In the US, you will lose your job or your entire life's savings, even if you had no intention to offend.

Look at Papa John's. The CEO was forced out and lost everything because he said ******. He didn't mean it in a bad way, he just used it as an illustration of a bad word. It's even blanked out on this forum.

Of course a black person can say ****** a million times and it's ok.

2. I know what women's preferences are because anonymous survey results show that women across the board find blacks unattractive.

3. Blacks do struggle to get women. But they don't care since they try so much harder. Actually, they are far more aggressive generally speaking so it's not really 'trying' on their part it's just a part of their normal behavior to be extremely aggressive.

4. Define "so many."

If most women are secretly enormously racist, but they cannot ever express it because of social norms:

1. If everyone agrees how is that not the social norm? Why would they not be allowed to express what everyone thinks? That must mean more people disagree than agree

2. How do you know what women are thinking but not allowed to express?

3. Wouldn't black guys struggle to get women if most women couldn't stand them? And yet incels are overwhelmingly white, matching the demographics of the country, hmmm...

4. Why do so many non-black women love black rappers?

Etc.

You're just an alt-righter projecting nonsense.

If most women are secretly enormously racist, but they cannot ever express it because of social norms:

1. If everyone agrees how is that not the social norm? Why would they not be allowed to express what everyone thinks? That must mean more people disagree than agree

2. How do you know what women are thinking but not allowed to express?

3. Wouldn't black guys struggle to get women if most women couldn't stand them? And yet incels are overwhelmingly white, matching the demographics of the country, hmmm...

4. Why do so many non-black women love black rappers?

Etc.

You're just an alt-righter projecting nonsense.



You think most people are just itching to publically shout out to random strangers their opinion of them and their life/dating choices? That's not normal, you judgemental narcissist.

 

[devilkingx2]

https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

Read 'em and weep. Blacks are rated the lowest in attractiveness across the board, both as men and women, and by men and women of all races. This is an anonymous survey so results aren't as skewed by political correctness.

It's usually low status white women who date black men. If they weren't fat and/or ugly they'd have better options.

According to your own link:

Asian men rank the lowest with white and latina women, significantly lower than black men

The only race that despises black men (asian women) also dislikes latino men in nearly equal measure (hint: most latinos outside of south america are light skinned and have a lot of white DNA)

 

[tanfox]

LOL, perfect illustration of an idiot: facts don't matter.

Doesn't matter.

 

[tanfox]

According to your own link:

Asian men rank the lowest with white and latina women, significantly lower than black men

The only race that despises black men (asian women) also dislikes latino men in nearly equal measure (hint: most latinos outside of south america are light skinned and have a lot of white DNA)

LOL, so you're saying whites are more attractive. You are a racist alt-righter.

 

[devilkingx2]

LOL, so you're saying whites are more attractive. You are a racist alt-righter.

You gotta work on that reading comprehension

 

[tanfox]

So you think women actually find jose the gardener who stole their bike to be hot lol?

You gotta work on that reading comprehension