How much better is it to approach 2 hot women at a bar with a wingman than by yourself?

[bigdave17]

Here's the thing - every woman has flaws, every woman has advantages and disadvantages. It's not like shopping. Many of these characteristics are not immediately obvious, either.

It's very, very very rare that you can enter into dating wanting 1 very particular item, and then you immediately find it and it's yours forever. It takes a long time to find what you want, and many dates with many women who may not at first be your type. You may find what you want isn't even what you thought it was.

My ex for example. Her OLD pics were kind of meh. But she had one where she looked cute, so I asked her out. Turns out she's just really bad at taking photos and she was hot asf (IMO, it's obviously subjective) in real life.

What did I learn from that? My expectations aren't always what's best for me or even correct.

Now I go into things with a rough type (slim, hourglass figure, personable, brunette maybe though I like all hair styles). Many women will have these rough characteristics. Then, through dating them, I will get to know the myriad other things that make them great or a girl to avoid.

By contrast, your approach of "I will only go for 9/10 to 10/10 attractiveness women" (because let's face it, that's what 20-25 year old middle eastern models are) leads you to a ton of anxiety before you even talk to a chick and a very low number of women you've actually been concurrently dating. Which means you'll get no dates for ages and then 10 years down the line, you'll find out the one "9/10" girl you "settled" with is actually dishonest or incompatible with you, unless you are insanely lucky.

I am honestly very picky about body, not that picky about face. I see some women who are a 6 to 7/10 in the face and that's fine


it shouldn't be that hard to find an ethnic 7/10 with dat ass and nice toned body with how common it is for women to work out nowadays. I would even do an asian or light skinned black chick

 

[devilkingx2]

A woman making 100k will be a doctor or a lawyer or some other 70 hour work week career first job.

So essentially you'd need like 3 of those since you'll need to be penciled in 2 weeks in advance

 

[bigdave17]

A woman making 100k will be a doctor or a lawyer or some other 70 hour work week career first job.

So essentially you'd need like 3 of those since you'll need to be penciled in 2 weeks in advance

pretty much

I make 200K but I work reasonable hours (48-50 at a job 10 minutes from home), I am off Fridays and Sundays and I'm done early on Saturdays. Plus I have a nice break on tuesdays (done at 4 on tuesday and come back wednesday at 2)

Most people my age making 100K are working like dogs and even so, it's incredibly rare

 

[JonnyX]

My experience as a short/ugly/ethnic man is this:

Having a good looking and ideally white wingman is worth its weight in gold. At least if you have one the girls will smile and be willing to talk to you. So the door's open. Most of the time they just want your friend, but at least it gives you a CHANCE which is otherwise impossible to come by.

If you are solo, girls will be much harsher about how they shut you down. Because they don't have to worry about you having "backup" or offending a potentially better looking friend of yours, you will get much crueller responses.

Biggest problems with wingmen is they're hard to find and hard to find ones you mesh well with and have similar style with.

I had a few wingmen I loved going out with a decade or so ago. Nowadays not so much. And in the end, when you know you're just using your wingman as a visual prop to get your shoe in past women's hypergamy and racism, it loses the fun/joy after a while. It feels like you're using your wingman, and it feels like you're still nothing on your own.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My experience as a short/ugly/ethnic man is this:

Having a good looking and ideally white wingman is worth its weight in gold. At least if you have one the girls will smile and be willing to talk to you. So the door's open. Most of the time they just want your friend, but at least it gives you a CHANCE which is otherwise impossible to come by.

If you are solo, girls will be much harsher about how they shut you down. Because they don't have to worry about you having "backup" or offending a potentially better looking friend of yours, you will get much crueller responses.

Biggest problems with wingmen is they're hard to find and hard to find ones you mesh well with and have similar style with.

I had a few wingmen I loved going out with a decade or so ago. Nowadays not so much. And in the end, when you know you're just using your wingman as a visual prop to get your shoe in past women's hypergamy and racism, it loses the fun/joy after a while. It feels like you're using your wingman, and it feels like you're still nothing on your own.

Your dead balls on about the wingman of the same ethnicity or clique as the target group. It's instant social proofing .

 

[mrgoodstuff]

A woman making 100k will be a doctor or a lawyer or some other 70 hour work week career first job.

So essentially you'd need like 3 of those since you'll need to be penciled in 2 weeks in advance

They are in IT as well or management. IT ones tend to be closer to a "nerd" and thus it won't be the insane power games and shyt tests

 

[bigdave17]

My experience as a short/ugly/ethnic man is this:

Having a good looking and ideally white wingman is worth its weight in gold. At least if you have one the girls will smile and be willing to talk to you. So the door's open. Most of the time they just want your friend, but at least it gives you a CHANCE which is otherwise impossible to come by.

If you are solo, girls will be much harsher about how they shut you down. Because they don't have to worry about you having "backup" or offending a potentially better looking friend of yours, you will get much crueller responses.

Biggest problems with wingmen is they're hard to find and hard to find ones you mesh well with and have similar style with.

I had a few wingmen I loved going out with a decade or so ago. Nowadays not so much. And in the end, when you know you're just using your wingman as a visual prop to get your shoe in past women's hypergamy and racism, it loses the fun/joy after a while. It feels like you're using your wingman, and it feels like you're still nothing on your own.

the guy I am talking about using as a wingman is very similar to me - a good looking, young, very fit middle eastern dude (he's actually more jacked than I am)


the 2 of us would make a pair of true studs approaching women

 

[Who Dares Win]

Despite his trollish attitute he have a point imo.

I found myself much more at ease approaching two girls alone than a approaching a single one, when its two of them they are usually more relaxed and more open to interaction probably cause they feel safer.

First of all that doesnt happen often so they dont have a prepared behaviour to follow such events, this helps to push my frame and have them to buy it.

Secondo its basically two approaches with the effort of one, the more I deal with them, the more I know which one is more interested so I can focus more on her.

I approached even 3 girls and it still worked sometime, what I noticed instead is that it doesnt work with a bigger group, you cant engage them all and those far from the convo usually break the interaction for the whole group.

 

[devilkingx2]

They are in IT as well or management. IT ones tend to be closer to a "nerd" and thus it won't be the insane power games and shyt tests

a pretty girl? in a tech field? huh? lol.

also what kind of management makes 6 figures? my friend's gf is a mcdonalds manager and I'm pretty sure she isn't pulling in 6 figures lol

 

[mrgoodstuff]

a pretty girl? in a tech field? huh? lol.

also what kind of management makes 6 figures? my friend's gf is a mcdonalds manager and I'm pretty sure she isn't pulling in 6 figures lol

White collar managers over accountants etc

 

[zekko]

(he's actually more jacked than I am)

What? Is such a thing even possible?

 

[bigdave17]

What? Is such a thing even possible?

he's a true stud

but I need him to come out with me. I have no wingmen at all right now

 

[bigdave17]

A body like that is going to see herself as a 9, not a 7 like you think she should lol

I've seen lots of women with bodies like that dating guys who are 3/10s

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You need a less attractive friend with mad game . Someone gaining penetration without being super jacked, without being as handsome. That is where your weak right now . A battle in your mind.

 

[bigdave17]

You need a less attractive friend with mad game . Someone gaining penetration without being super jacked, without being as handsome. That is where your weak right now . A battle in your mind.

nah

perfect world is we approach 2 hot babes, he gets with 1, I get with the other

 

[zekko]

3/10 with game

Could be beta game.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Is it much easier to approach 2 women with another good looking dude by your side than by yourself?

School boy error.

In the words of the great Jlaix, IRRELEVANT!

NOT DOING IT RIGHT KUZ!

The frame is on circumstances. None of which is important.

Obv, go get baee. Wing or no wing. When out of state, a wing is great but, its training wheels.

You are passenger to your state and feelers.

Unplug.

The mark is top form SMV. Its to go beyond feelers. State, excuses,etc.

Man should aim for self actualization, core purpose, and defeat genetic predisposition, that being prey and spray; spread the seed.

Women should go beyond hypergamy and victimhood.

Autonomy is that. In it and of itself.

The mark isn't landing the girl. Its that path. Its not the workout but. Your feet hitting the floor on the way to the gym.

Its the journey. Not the destination.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

nah

perfect world is we approach 2 hot babes, he gets with 1, I get with the other

As your current self, the mad game guy will actually beat you out a bit. You wouldn't have to talk too much, some of the other females will choose you on association. He will know what and what not to do. Experience. You will get better from being around him. You don't need to look even an ounce better.