How much better is it to approach 2 hot women at a bar with a wingman than by yourself?

[bigdave17]

I like to approach 2 women at bars - in my experience, they're usually looking to meet someone. Most of the time when I see 3-6 women, it's just ladies night out and they're not really looking


the problem is I don't really have a wingman. I have some guys who go out with me but only 1 is single and he's old and chubby. I met a dude at my gym who would be an ideal wingman (jacked, good looking, very well dressed, mid 20s). I'm thinking about asking him to come out with me so I can use him as a wingman


Is it much easier to approach 2 women with another good looking dude by your side than by yourself?

 

[bigdave17]

Dave, when you begin to think to yourself that the best way to approach a woman is to approach a jacked, hot dude to ask him to go out with you....it's time to rethink things.

I already know him, he's cool as ****, he would go out with me

I have another dude who I use as a wingman but he's old and balding. The guy from my gym is exactly what a 25 year old babe would want

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don't know. Start fvcking the bytches you do have. It will kill your neediness, your outcome dependence and out you in your masculine sexual frame .

The world will act differently and look at you different when you start doing this .

 

[bigdave17]

I don't know. Start fvcking the bytches you do have. It will kill your neediness, your outcome dependence and out you in your masculine sexual frame .

The world will act differently and look at you different when you start doing this .

stop with this garbage advice in every f*cking thread I post dude. I understood your point the first 5302058302580252380528502850325 times

I need someone in my league

 

[mrgoodstuff]

stop with this garbage advice in every f*cking thread I post dude. I understood your point the first 5302058302580252380528502850325 times

I need someone in my league

I had an advice a very long time ago to find a $100k+ lady . But I didn't know your sex part wasn't being taken care of .

All the poor and underpaid models won't appreciate you, they'll use you. But $100k+ women are tired of men trying to gold digger and just want someone in their league.

 

[bigdave17]

I had an advice a very long time ago to find a $100k+ lady . But I didn't know your sex part wasn't being taken care of .

All the poor and underpaid models won't appreciate you, they'll use you. But $100k+ women are tired of men trying to gold digger and just want someone in their league.

I would love to find a 100K woman but I already have very specific standards (only really want a 22-29 year old, needs to be Spanish/Greek/italian/middle eastern/light skinned black/asian). If I narrow that down to 100K+ earners, I'm gonna look for the top 0.00000000000000000000001% of women

 

[bigdave17]

It is true that having good looking guy friends as willing wingmen can be a benefit in the field, but if you think it is a solution to your approach issues, you might come to find that it won't always pan out in your favor for a multitude of reasons:

1. It is typically understood in a wing situation that you will periodically do for him as he does for you. So while this guy might be able help you open a set of women to set you up, a time will come in which you will be the one expected to not only open up a set, but also fall on the sword and preoccupy the woman he is not targeting. That means you have to approach and entertain a woman you will very likely not be interested in yourself while he does his thing. In essence, you will often have to do exactly what you are trying to avoid here.

2. Even when you and a wing have a mutual understanding of who is targeting which woman in the set, there is no guarantee that the woman you are interested in will reciprocate an interest in you. She may have eyes for your wingman instead. There is often little you can do to change that. Are you capable, willing and able to fall on the sword again to give up on your target to the benefit of your wingman and engage the one you had no initial interest in?

3. If this guy does not truly have an interest in periodically putting your best interests above his own, you are going to find that he will often become your competition, a c0ckblocker and that this is all going to be more of a pissing contest than a mutual benefit situation. If you are not capable of breaking ice and commanding a set, you will often come out the loser in this pissing contest.

the goal here is to find a pairing of 2 hot women (not a hot woman and her ugly friend), he would pick 1, I would pick the other before we go over there and we would just go and start talking to them.


and yes I am a team player

 

[bigdave17]

Great. That's good.

So when it is your turn to approach 2 or 3 women to break ice and set up your wing, what are you going to do?

I approached a couple of cute middle eastern chicks yesterday. They both liked me but they actually live in middle east (just visiting in town)

my approach anxiety is getting less and less as time goes on

 

[bigdave17]

Very good, Dave. If you believe this approach will help you to continue overcoming this anxiety, that you are willing to observe, learn and work to improve, then I believe having a wingman can certainly help along in that regard.

But like I said, it is not going to spare you from doing things you are trying to avoid. For example, if your wing is doing exceptionally well with his target and he wants to escalate to sex, you may have to do the same with a woman you would not date otherwise to help make that happen. If you eject to call it a night because she isn't GF material, your wing may no longer help you all too much after.

Dude i'm a total team player, don't worry

 

[zekko]

If this guy does not truly have an interest in periodically putting your best interests above his own, you are going to find that he will often become your competition, a c0ckblocker and that this is all going to be more of a pissing contest than a mutual benefit situation.

Yeah, like what if they both want the same girl, but the girl likes the wingman?

All this "in my league" stuff is really obnoxious. But these are the most entertaining threads, until Richard comes back.
Actually, Dave is only 29, by the time he's in his early 30s I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get a handle on some of his issues, and start having a nice run of success. A lot of guys do really well in their 30s. In 10 years he might be Guru.

 

[bigdave17]

Yeah, like what if they both want the same girl, but the girl likes the wingman?

All this "in my league" stuff is really obnoxious. But these are the most entertaining threads, until Richard comes back.
Actually, Dave is only 29, by the time he's in his early 30s I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get a handle on some of his issues, and start having a nice run of success. A lot of guys do really well in their 30s. In 10 years he might be Guru.

I'm never going to be guru, I just want 1 super high quality woman to settle down with

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I would love to find a 100K woman but I already have very specific standards (only really want a 22-29 year old, needs to be Spanish/Greek/italian/middle eastern/light skinned black/asian). If I narrow that down to 100K+ earners, I'm gonna look for the top 0.00000000000000000000001% of women

They usually are hiding out . I have a few female friends in that range and they act like it's almost impossible to find

I'm never going to be guru, I just want 1 super high quality woman to settle down with

She needs to be a $100k+ self motivated woman looking for someone like herself in you .

I still think getting in the game will help you on the path to that .

 

[Young OG]

What I usually have done in the past is approach the 2 set alone. If I dont get blown out and the interaction is going well, then I wave over my wing. Once he comes over, I introduce him to the girls.

 

[bigdave17]

They usually are hiding out . I have a few female friends in that range and they act like it's almost impossible to find

She needs to be a $100k+ self motivated woman looking for someone like herself in you .

I still think getting in the game will help you on the path to that .

percent of mid 20s hot women making 100K

0.0000000001%

 

[mrgoodstuff]

percent of mid 20s hot women making 100K

0.0000000001%

Upper 20's about 2-3%. They have problems dating cause the guys Try to gold digger them . They just want someone decent to split the bills with .

 

[IKO69]

A hot woman making 100K is gonna be picky as ****. You are probably gonna wait until the cows come home to find one of those...and even if you did succeed in getting her, she is probably commanding and demanding as ****. To have a chance you need to be someone who appears more "successful" than her.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

A hot woman making 100K is gonna be picky as ****. You are probably gonna wait until the cows come home to find one of those...and even if you did succeed in getting her, she is probably commanding and demanding as ****. To have a chance you need to be someone who appears more "successful" than her.

After they effed with broke Chad's they just want a guy as motivated as them. I have a few friends in that range. They just want a decent dude .

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I would love to find a 100K woman but I already have very specific standards (only really want a 22-29 year old, needs to be Spanish/Greek/italian/middle eastern/light skinned black/asian). If I narrow that down to 100K+ earners, I'm gonna look for the top 0.00000000000000000000001% of women

Here's the thing - every woman has flaws, every woman has advantages and disadvantages. It's not like shopping. Many of these characteristics are not immediately obvious, either.

It's very, very very rare that you can enter into dating wanting 1 very particular item, and then you immediately find it and it's yours forever. It takes a long time to find what you want, and many dates with many women who may not at first be your type. You may find what you want isn't even what you thought it was.

My ex for example. Her OLD pics were kind of meh. But she had one where she looked cute, so I asked her out. Turns out she's just really bad at taking photos and she was hot asf (IMO, it's obviously subjective) in real life.

What did I learn from that? My expectations aren't always what's best for me or even correct.

Now I go into things with a rough type (slim, hourglass figure, personable, brunette maybe though I like all hair styles). Many women will have these rough characteristics. Then, through dating them, I will get to know the myriad other things that make them great or a girl to avoid.

By contrast, your approach of "I will only go for 9/10 to 10/10 attractiveness women" (because let's face it, that's what 20-25 year old middle eastern models are) leads you to a ton of anxiety before you even talk to a chick and a very low number of women you've actually been concurrently dating. Which means you'll get no dates for ages and then 10 years down the line, you'll find out the one "9/10" girl you "settled" with is actually dishonest or incompatible with you, unless you are insanely lucky.

 

[bigdave17]

Upper 20's about 2-3%. They have problems dating cause the guys Try to gold digger them . They just want someone decent to split the bills with .

you're smoking crack

the percent of people under age 35 making 100K is 1% - that's heavily biased towards men. It's around 0.7% of women

what percent of that 0.7% is hot, fit, ethnic, no kids, etc....? You're asking me to go after the top 0.0000000001% of women

 

[bigdave17]

A hot woman making 100K is gonna be picky as ****. You are probably gonna wait until the cows come home to find one of those...and even if you did succeed in getting her, she is probably commanding and demanding as ****. To have a chance you need to be someone who appears more "successful" than her.

I make close to 200K and am very well set financially overall


I would love to date a woman like that but it's incredibly rare. I'm already struggling to find what I want who makes 50K, much less 100