Do you think the idea that incel violence would end if there were enforced monogamy is absurd?

[zekko]

Interesting. I have a friend from a broken family, and the 3 brothers in his family all joined the military, got the guidance that they were looking for, and are now solid citizens (the sister got knocked up though).

AHA!

 

[corrector]

It's usually whites and asians, not blacks or hispanics that are incels from the reports that I've read. Not sure why. Perhaps, whites and asians are more independent in some ways? Again, not sure. The non-whites and non-asians are better social butterflies than most whites; especially during the teenage years.

That is weird because I would always think that a white guy can always get with another ethnic girl easily because ethnics look up to whites, especially Asian and Black girls. If a Black/ethnic guy is incel, then I think they have a tougher time than a white guy would since they have to deal with discrimination if they are dealing with escorts, and have a much higher chance of ending up in jail if they are caught in a place where its illegal, etc...

 

[Alvafe]

That is weird because I would always think that a white guy can always get with another ethnic girl easily because ethnics look up to whites, especially Asian and Black girls. If a Black/ethnic guy is incel, then I think they have a tougher time than a white guy would since they have to deal with discrimination if they are dealing with escorts, and have a much higher chance of ending up in jail if they are caught in a place where its illegal, etc...

I would think on more about culture you say asian but in all, its just white guys, and in USA, why you guys have a thing about after 18 leave your parents home and if you don't you will be marked as a loser, even the parents are more then happy to ship they kids asses to anywhere, the hispanics, trying to get free from they family is a lot harder, sometimes even if they leave they parents home they still keep in touch a lot, what I see is incels guys are isolated without friends, hating they lives, but have not really a trait of a fighter and use victimism to explain his failings, so they don't try to improve they think they deserve a hot girl and a nice life, without doing anything for that

 

[R.U.G.]

That is weird because I would always think that a white guy can always get with another ethnic girl easily because ethnics look up to whites, especially Asian and Black girls. If a Black/ethnic guy is incel, then I think they have a tougher time than a white guy would since they have to deal with discrimination if they are dealing with escorts, and have a much higher chance of ending up in jail if they are caught in a place where its illegal, etc...

Generalizing on one's ethnicity is unwise. Popular culture is usually incorrect in their assumptions. As for white guys and hookers, you'd have to hit up our resident expert, @RichardTheFrog, as I have no idea.

 

[corrector]

I would think on more about culture you say asian but in all, its just white guys, and in USA, why you guys have a thing about after 18 leave your parents home and if you don't you will be marked as a loser, even the parents are more then happy to ship they kids asses to anywhere, the hispanics, trying to get free from they family is a lot harder, sometimes even if they leave they parents home they still keep in touch a lot, what I see is incels guys are isolated without friends, hating they lives, but have not really a trait of a fighter and use victimism to explain his failings, so they don't try to improve they think they deserve a hot girl and a nice life, without doing anything for that

So, what are you trying to say? Incels are more likely to be white guys who got kicked out of home at 18 years old and have no social connections and therefore you don't know many HIspanic incels? Educate us. So, if we were to travel to South America or Central America, incel is not going to be a major deal in South American countries or the Domenican Republic? You know I have a Black cousin who visited there and he says the girls are more friendlier, or open to being flirted with. Like it's a normal thing to do and it's more difficult to feel like you are a creep if women in the environs are hyper-friendly with you. Another poster, Mike32c said something like incels feel "I'm knowing my place therefore I don't want to feel like a creep by advancing on a woman who doesn't want me", but if that factor is absent in another country, than that back-of-the-mind block wouldn't exist there?
So Incels should go for a vacation on a sex-lib or nice country, especially if white, and then they'll feel confident with women and that would translate when they get home since they were able to score with babes in another country?

What incels guys do you know of? Maybe there is some truth to their story and you are ignoring the market dynamics - if they were a hot looking guy then they'd have a hot sugar momma?

 

[corrector]

Generalizing on one's ethnicity is unwise. Popular culture is usually incorrect in their assumptions. As for white guys and hookers, you'd have to hit up our resident expert, @RichardTheFrog, as I have no idea.

All I know about RichardtheFrog is that he is not incel but sounds like MGTOW by his posts. He has mentioned many times he's not interested in dating or relationship or any higher-level type of connection with a woman. The issue is more like if you are incel (not MGTOW), if it's compounded by the fact that some or quite a number of hookers are racist and you don't really have a last resort option without feeling that it's another issue in and of itself if you are not white, or black. Therefore, it would seem like a non-white/or Black person would have a much difficult time if they are really incel because of that potential discrimination factor, added to the fact of having a difficult time to relate with other groups of women apart from their own race or cohert.

Also , Richardthefrog has no bearing since he's not discriminated against by any escort, and,he's also not incel, he has made his choices in life on how he views women and at what level he wants to interact with them.

 

[R.U.G.]

You posted about hookers, I referred your to our resident expert, @RichardTheFrog. I didn't say he was an incel nor MGTOW. I do not know if he is either or neither. It seems like he likes hookers, that is all I was referencing. Since he's also been in the slammer, he could fill you in on that as well. Again, this is all here-say, as no one here can verify anything on anyone.

 

[corrector]

You posted about hookers, I referred your to our resident expert, @RichardTheFrog. I didn't say he was an incel nor MGTOW. I do not know if he is either or neither. It seems like he likes hookers, that is all I was referencing. Since he's also been in the slammer, he could fill you in on that as well. Again, this is all here-say, as no one here can verify anything on anyone.

Yeah, I posted about hookers only as relevant to a discussion about incel, meaning that a concept of involuntary celibacy actually gives an existential component since a hooker is a possible relief for involuntary celibacy. Outside of that context, then a hooker has no meaning or purpose and has no relevancy. Maybe an interesting drama point on a Captain Save-a-Ho movie like Pretty Woman, part of a Biblical narrative of a wayword woman eventually finding God renouncing her old lifestyle and then getting married, or some other social commentary, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion. Just because I mentioned "hooker" doesn't mean anything without a context in order to make a narrative. That can go any direction. You've got sex-trafficing, demonic possession / the Exorcist, horror, AIDS/STD, falling for a hooker, etc.... just so many things that can come out of that depending on how you look at it.

I know enough about Richardthefrog's posts, from what I have read, and believe me, I've almost read everything there is to say about him to know that he is spoiled by using hookers and is not using them as a last resort or a fix for being involuntary celibate. He actually sees women as worth nothing more than having sex with period and is not even interested in running game or charming them with his personality with. That mindset sounds more like MGTOW than incel.

 

[R.U.G.]

You forgot about one very important hooker... T.J. Hooker.

Rich is a good guy, just a bit misguided. I am sure jail would do that to anyone. He's just tired of getting sh!itted on by women, so his outlet is paying for sex with them. Whatever works. We all pay in some way, shape or form...

 

[corrector]

You forgot about one very important hooker... T.J. Hooker.

Rich is a good guy, just a bit misguided. I am sure jail would do that to anyone. He's just tired of getting sh!itted on by women, so his outlet is paying for sex with them. Whatever works. We all pay in some way, shape or form...

There are no judgments being made about being a good guy or bad guy. All I have said is that he is not incel. If you are tired by how you are being treated by women, get cynical or just not interested in anything deeper and decide you just want to pay for sex, then that's textbook MGTOW.

I don't agree that we all pay in some way, shape, or form because that statement normalizes buying sex, when you are really a on a threadmill with other guys seeing the same women and that aspect of it is disgusting. It's not like there is a woman in a vacuum that just * poof * materializes out of nowhere, and you pay for sex, and she disappears in thin air when you are finished. There are other guys that are also paying and seeing her too and something that private and intimate being so public is mentally disturbing. Any guy potentially could have also seen her too and a piece of your soul gets stuck with her and the devil has you. No, payment of money is just the set-up for the encounter. You pay afterwards too and the devil collects.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I would think on more about culture you say asian but in all, its just white guys, and in USA, why you guys have a thing about after 18 leave your parents home and if you don't you will be marked as a loser, even the parents are more then happy to ship they kids asses to anywhere, the hispanics, trying to get free from they family is a lot harder, sometimes even if they leave they parents home they still keep in touch a lot, what I see is incels guys are isolated without friends, hating they lives, but have not really a trait of a fighter and use victimism to explain his failings, so they don't try to improve they think they deserve a hot girl and a nice life, without doing anything for that

If there is one thing to come out of all of this, it is how crucial an ethical education is. The world is tough... solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short. Ethics essentially equips a person with backbone and character by which they can carve out, conquer and civilize there little corner of it. It's like kids today are under the illusion they have a right to everything... and then become disillusioned when it doesn't pan out that way. Weak.

 

[R.U.G.]

There are no judgments being made about being a good guy or bad guy. All I have said is that he is not incel. If you are tired by how you are being treated by women, get cynical or just not interested in anything deeper and decide you just want to pay for sex, then that's textbook MGTOW.

I don't agree that we all pay in some way, shape, or form because that statement normalizes buying sex, when you are really a on a threadmill with other guys seeing the same women and that aspect of it is disgusting. It's not like there is a woman in a vacuum that just * poof * materializes out of nowhere, and you pay for sex, and she disappears in thin air when you are finished. There are other guys that are also paying and seeing her too and something that private and intimate being so public is mentally disturbing. Any guy potentially could have also seen her too and a piece of your soul gets stuck with her and the devil has you. No, payment of money is just the set-up for the encounter. You pay afterwards too and the devil collects.

Bro, when I mean pay, I mean, if you are meeting a woman for drinks or tapas, activity, etc., most men pay part of the time. Thus, we all pay some way shape or form. Not pay as in actual doing the deed, but pay in an ancillary way. If you have women paying for you 100% of the time, good for you. Kick a-s-s and take names. The majority do not. Never said Richie is or was an incel. He's disturbed and angry, but not an incel.

Hope this makes you feel at ease.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

When I pay for a woman's coffee... or even her lunch, I do not expect anything back. I am not doing the arithmetic to add up all the costs to see when it would be the equivalent to visiting a hooker. I may choose to pay for a woman's coffee because I am a generous guy, and I might also happen to enjoy her company. You should now whether a woman is 'taking advantage' of you or not. There should never be an iron clad policy on this. That's where 'you pay one way or the other' mentality has it wrong.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's usually whites and asians, not blacks or hispanics that are incels from the reports that I've read. Not sure why. Perhaps, whites and asians are more independent in some ways?

I think it's because blacks & hispanics are much more likely to be incarcerated.

 

[MatureDJ]

That is weird because I would always think that a white guy can always get with another ethnic girl easily because ethnics look up to whites, especially Asian and Black girls.

You presume that most white guys would be satisfied with an ethnic girl. Now that said, your theory does explain the miscegenation of esteemed Southern politicians like Thomas Jefferson and Strom Thurmond, the latter of which was considered very racist. And of course, the early American mating story was heavily white man exploring a new land and getting a Native American bride, as her chief could see who was going to be the alpha race.

 

[MatureDJ]

You forgot about one very important hooker... T.J. Hooker.

I would think zekko would have something to say about this character.

 

[Mike32ct]

Another poster, Mike32c said something like incels feel "I'm knowing my place therefore I don't want to feel like a creep by advancing on a woman who doesn't want me", but if that factor is absent in another country, than that back-of-the-mind block wouldn't exist there?
So Incels should go for a vacation on a sex-lib or nice country, especially if white, and then they'll feel confident with women and that would translate when they get home since they were able to score with babes in another country?

Interesting point. Obviously, it would be an ego boost, but I'm not quite sure if it would fix anything after the guy gets back home. Maybe a temporary self-esteem boost? But probably not a permanent fix.

 

[Mike32ct]

On the "Everybody pays" thing, it certainly is TECHNICALLY true because even Chad might have to buy two beers and some popcorn before Stacey comes over his place. But it avoids the real issue that the PRICE men pay varies a LOT. Chad is getting it for negligible cost and probably little hassle or commitment. An average looking guy might have to seriously "beta bux*" and get into a very expensive LTR and possibly marriage for some sex. Or hire a hooker at a few hundred per session.

I have no problem with guys paying, but I've always cringed when they justify it by saying "Everybody pays."

*Hate the term but it's a slang that is easily understood here.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

On the "Everybody pays" thing, it certainly is TECHNICALLY true because even Chad might have to buy two beers and some popcorn before Stacey comes over his place. But it avoids the real issue that the PRICE men pay varies a LOT. Chad is getting it for negligible cost and probably little hassle or commitment. An average looking guy might have to seriously "beta bux*" and get into a very expensive LTR and possibly marriage for some sex. Or hire a hooker at a few hundred per session.

I have no problem with guys paying, but I've always cringed when they justify it by saying "Everybody pays."

*Hate the term but it's a slang that is easily understood here.

"Everyone pays" is an excuse to remain weak . A more arrogant state of mind mind insist a bytch should pay you for being around you.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Interesting point. Obviously, it would be an ego boost, but I'm not quite sure if it would fix anything after the guy gets back home. Maybe a temporary self-esteem boost? But probably not a permanent fix.

If they are able to be chosen anywhere it will help their ego and help them be attractive elsewhere .