RSD Video

[zekko]

I saw this video recently and thought it was amusing. I wouldn't watch the whole thing, just the field footage at the beginning. The rest is basically just Tyler trying to sell you on his program. I like the part from 0:55 to 1:04 where this guy is yelling at him for showing Little Owen to his sister. Tyler keeps saying "I said I'm sorry" lol.

Apparently the theme they are teaching right now is that you should act like a guy who has been getting laid since a very young age. That's like social proof, so okay, but he insists that there has to be a douchebag dunderhead aspect to it. He calls this persona the "retarded fvck boy", and says that if he doesn't act like this he gets blown out.

It kind of struck me as kind of sad that someone has to act like a "retarded fvck boy" in order to get laid. Maybe that sort of personality is close to his heart somehow, that he feels congruent with it. For me, I don't think it would be worth it. If I had to act like a "retarded fvck boy" in order to get laid, I think I would just do without. But the fact is I've never had to act like this to get girls, so why should I? Maybe I'm not a super pimp picking up drunken staggering club girls in leopard coats like Tyler, but I get by, and I don't feel like I've compromised my self respect.

My guess is he believes that all girls are like this, but I don't agree. At this point all PUAs will yell "NAWALT"! But I'm serious. I know the type of girls who talk to strangers on the street about getting laid within 20 seconds of meeting them - maybe they are looking for guys like Tyler to copulate with. And good for them. Maybe eight out of ten girls are like this (I don't think it's that high, but whatever). It doesn't matter, because the girls who respond to that nonsense are not the girls I'm looking for.

One other observation from the infield footage: I remember hearing a lot of advice about how PUAs should lean away from girls to show disinterest. But Tyler here does the exact opposite, and immediately puts himself right into her personal space. Contradicting ideas and all that.

None of this takes into consideration the theory that these are all faked videos and hired actresses, which is a rumor I've heard about RSD.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yep, but consider he's a business man, and his clients are generally pimple-faced adolescents desperate to get laid. Oh... but then they are quick to talk about self-improvement.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

That all women are sl*ts is just not true. It's something that is parroted over and over again. There are some modest, reserved and conservative women out there. Though it is becoming less common, some people can still control themselves... despite the small sordid worldview of the pimp. I'm not sure why they feel the need to say all women are sl*ts… other than perhaps they feel the need to justify themselves. Which is kind of odd... until you realize that they are selling to young men something that is supposed to be cutting edge, revolutionary, liberating and excellent for self-development. They really know how to market their stuff.

 

[zekko]

I'm not sure why they feel the need to say all women are sl*ts… other than perhaps they feel the need to justify themselves. Which is kind of odd... until you realize that they are selling to young men something that is supposed to be cutting edge, revolutionary, liberating and excellent for self-development. They really know how to market their stuff.

Yeah, good point, all that "down the rabbit hole" stuff... they want you to think they've pulled back the curtain and showed you a new reality, real "blow your mind" type of stuff.

Also, like you say, they generally are selling to young customers. When I was of a certain age, I didn't care as much if a girl was a slvt or not, as long as she was DTF. Now I think twice. I've always said that if a guy wants to get laid, it's not that complicated: All he has to do is figure out which girls are the slvtty ones and target them. They're not going to say no, unless you are just disgusting with bad hygiene or something. So I guess he's showing how to target these women. It's just surprising that with all Tyler's experience and experimentation, this seems to be the only approach he knows.

Tyler's only 38, but it seems like he's been around forever. Is he still going to be picking up club slvts when he's in his 50s lol?

 

[zekko]

Another thing I notice from this video, when the girl tries to retrieve her friend (or in this context, c0ckbock), Tyler yells at her "You're done! You're done in this town!". I've seen him use this line a LOT in this videos, so he must really like it. It did seem to catch that girl off guard. It shows the guy as leader, and implies some sort of authority, which is kind of ridiculous so it's also kind of funny to some extent (I guess).

I've noticed that every time I do see clips of men doing these things, they so often appear to be operating out on the curb of the club after last call or something]

You're right, a lot of the clips seem to be on the sidewalk in front of the club. And I've also seen a lot of videos that are being filmed right outside of the club bathroom. I guess it's a strategic spot to stand where you get a stream of girls going by. Seems a little creepy though.

 

[MrWood]

always thought of Tyler as abit of a fake. a lame fake
cant dress for crap... trying too hard.. he uses lines and is actually highly insecure in his infield banter (it is all lines and PUA crap, no genuine personality)
not a genuine word out of him
horrendous beard... wtf is that anyway?

he is married. I can bet 100% he is a submissive beta cuck

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yeah, good point, all that "down the rabbit hole" stuff... they want you to think they've pulled back the curtain and showed you a new reality, real "blow your mind" type of stuff.

Also, like you say, they generally are selling to young customers. When I was of a certain age, I didn't care as much if a girl was a slvt or not, as long as she was DTF. Now I think twice. I've always said that if a guy wants to get laid, it's not that complicated: All he has to do is figure out which girls are the slvtty ones and target them. They're not going to say no, unless you are just disgusting with bad hygiene or something. So I guess he's showing how to target these women. It's just surprising that with all Tyler's experience and experimentation, this seems to be the only approach he knows.

Tyler's only 38, but it seems like he's been around forever. Is he still going to be picking up club slvts when he's in his 50s lol?

I remember watching a few of Tyler's videos when I first started grappling with the 'women problem'. He's a smart guy, and I remember even back then there was the 'inner game'/ self-development aspect of it emerging. Sometimes this 'inner game' can come into conflict with the stated goals of RSD, to develop skills in order to sleep with women... here it's about a means to an end. But self-development is more about an end in itself... and is potentially the Achilles heel of pick up.

Given Tyler's business model, I thought at the time that he'd have to back away from that side of things... and then he is probably just as much caught up in his own web as his customers in a mutually reinforcing feedback.

 

[R.U.G.]

Men, don't listen to this RSD douche. It seems all smoke and mirrors.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I hate when dudes get like that towards their sisters or something. Like bro, it’s your sister, not your girlfriend. You want to **** your sister? Wtf is wrong with you? ****ing weirdo.

But yeah I mean I highly doubt that all of it is fake. There probably are some fake stuff in there, but not all of it. The reason why Tyler says that he has to act like a ****boy is just to get these dudes out of their nice guy bull****. Obviously the highest level of game is just doing whatever the **** you wanna do but you need embrace yourself first and really come to know and understand yourself. In essence, self mastery. Because otherwise you wouldn’t know HOW to know what you want. This douchebag retard ****boy is fun and all and chicks tend to play along with it anyway just because they know it’s not everyday you see one not that it can go anywhere serious so they might as well entertain the idea. Now, he’s got his foot in the door. And that’s honestly the biggest battle with daygame. Getting a girl to give you the time of day.

But yeah it’s just to get guys to snap out of the wuss mindset. It much easier to go extremely against the grain because you’ve seen guys act that way before as a nice guy, and it’s much easier to do that and go completely against it than to go sideways, which is your own way. At least then you you can lean against the resistance somewhat.

 

[zekko]

always thought of Tyler as abit of a fake. a lame fake
cant dress for crap... trying too hard.. he uses lines and is actually highly insecure in his infield banter (it is all lines and PUA crap, no genuine personality)
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he is married. I can bet 100% he is a submissive beta cuck

Well, Tyler is a dinosaur of sorts, he studied under Mystery after all. And some of Mystery's infield videos are just horrible, he's just spouting his canned lines, but they don't fit the situation whatsoever, everything is out of context. So I guess that "canned routine" part will always be with him. Even though, as Christopher Columbus says, he also has a lot of material on Inner Game as well, and was arguably at the forefront of that as well.

Obviously the highest level of game is just doing whatever the **** you wanna do but you need embrace yourself first and really come to know and understand yourself.

That's what I think, and even Tyler teaches that you should be congruent with your true self. And yet he says he gets blown out if he doesn't use this "retarded fvck boy" persona. That's why I think he must really relate to that deep in his core. He's a bit of a dancing monkey with all of his high energy "in state" stuff.

I, however, do not. As I said before, I have no desire to be a "retarded fvck boy", and if I thought it was necessary to act like that to get women, than I would most likely do without. To me, that would not be being true to myself, that would be as unauthentic as I could possibly be. I wouldn't be respecting myself if I acted like that. Now if someone else takes to this "retarded fvck boy" persona naturally, that's great for them if they can do it. It's just not for me.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Well, Tyler is a dinosaur of sorts, he studied under Mystery after all. And some of Mystery's infield videos are just horrible, he's just spouting his canned lines, but they don't fit the situation whatsoever, everything is out of context. So I guess that "canned routine" part will always be with him. Even though, as Christopher Columbus says, he also has a lot of material on Inner Game as well, and was arguably at the forefront of that as well.


That's what I think, and even Tyler teaches that you should be congruent with your true self. And yet he says he gets blown out if he doesn't use this "retarded fvck boy" persona. That's why I think he must really relate to that deep in his core. He's a bit of a dancing monkey with all of his high energy "in state" stuff.

I, however, do not. As I said before, I have no desire to be a "retarded fvck boy", and if I thought it was necessary to act like that to get women, than I would most likely do without. To me, that would not be being true to myself, that would be as unauthentic as I could possibly be. I wouldn't be respecting myself if I acted like that. Now if someone else takes to this "retarded fvck boy" persona naturally, that's great for them if they can do it. It's just not for me.

I’m fairly certain he has or used to have aspergers. And sort of became an idiot savant with social dynamics. So he might be expressing that part of himself in that way. Therefore it’s still him, just a different way of expressing it. It’s jsut a theory though.

 

[zekko]

Truth is, you can get away with a lot of stuff when you're half decent looking and have the balls to throw your hat in the ring with women who are in that drunken state during the wee hours of the night when they have that IDGAF/let's keep partying attitude.

I've always thought that PUA techniques just kind of gives guys something to believe in. PUA gurus tell them "This is the secret, do this and women will be attracted to you" (and it only cost you $3000, lol). And if the mark believes that, then he has confidence that he knows the secret, and is therefore attractive. And that gives him the guts to go out and pick up girls. And the bar is set ridiculously low: "A master PUA will only be successful 10% of the time", so if he can get one number out of 10 attempts, then he's a master. And the more he tries, the better he gets.

That's not to say that ALL PUA theory is nonsense, there are some good principles. But the main thing is to get the guy out the door and playing the numbers game.

 

[IKO69]

Yes, pretty much all those PUA in-field videos, esp. from the likes of Mystery and the other really well known gurus, are faked. They have money/backing so it would not be too difficult to hire a couple of women to go along with the gag. When you can host seminars that cost thousands of dollars and it attracts hundreds and thousands of people.....then you are in the money as they say.

The above is correct and why PUA "works"....it gives guys something to believe in as zekko said. The guys go "into the field" somewhat optimistic whereas before they weren't- maybe before they wouldn't even try. They feel compelled enough to knock on enough doors and eventually they run game on someone who was receptive to their approach, then they give credit to what they learned...when it wouldn't of mattered what they had said. When a woman has decided she likes you and wants to talk to you it doesn't really matter what you say to break the ice as long as you do it. We have all seen people say or do things that "go against the rules" and they still ended up getting the girl.......why is that? Guys, your "approach" doesn't really matter if you picked the right target provided you don't say or do something really strange, offensive.....and even then they are usually a bit more lenient but don't overdo it.

 

[zekko]

Yes, pretty much all those PUA in-field videos, esp. from the likes of Mystery and the other really well known gurus, are faked. They have money/backing so it would not be too difficult to hire a couple of women to go along with the gag.

It makes sense. It's that or keep filming random stuff in the hopes that you get something that you want. I'm sure it's easier to just pay some girls to play a part and do a couple of takes. It's the same reason that most "reality shows" on TV are scripted. It's just way much more efficient that way.

then they give credit to what they learned...when it wouldn't of mattered what they had said. When a woman has decided she likes you and wants to talk to you it doesn't really matter what you say

Even Tyler has said this in his presentations: It doesn't matter what you say. It's more how you say it, and that you say it at all.

By the way, speaking of hiring girls, another rumor I've heard is that when you go on a bootcamp, RSD has paid girls to be there and talk to their clients, and be receptive to what they are saying. This makes sure the clients have a positive experience, and builds their confidence up some ("Hey, it works"), which can't be a bad thing. The danger is they go back home and the girls aren't receptive, but more likely if they try they'll have some success. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, as they say. Or maybe they'll come back for a refresher course.

 

[IKO69]

It makes sense. It's that or keep filming random stuff in the hopes that you get something that you want. I'm sure it's easier to just pay some girls to play a part and do a couple of takes. It's the same reason that most "reality shows" on TV are scripted. It's just way much more efficient that way.


Even Tyler has said this in his presentations: It doesn't matter what you say. It's more how you say it, and that you say it at all.

By the way, speaking of hiring girls, another rumor I've heard is that when you go on a bootcamp, RSD has paid girls to be there and talk to their clients, and be receptive to what they are saying. This makes sure the clients have a positive experience, and builds their confidence up some ("Hey, it works"), which can't be a bad thing. The danger is they go back home and the girls aren't receptive, but more likely if they try they'll have some success. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, as they say. Or maybe they'll come back for a refresher course.

There are some really good articles on this website, especially the "classics" but what a person should walk away with is an understanding that they must improve overall. Every person has weak points - perhaps no job, overweight, poor dresser, bad conversationalist....those kinds of things need to be sorted out. Then you need to be aware of the standard ioi's - the proximity thing and their quick glances. That's pretty much how most women will operate....some are much more bold of course but generally this is to the extent it goes. There is also an element of social IQ involved because you don't need to wait on these things in order get somewhere----you should be able to tell when it would be ill advised to even try or that it wouldn't happen after brief conversation. I feel a lot of people over complicate these things.

 

[skinnyguy]

Yep, but consider he's a business man, and his clients are generally pimple-faced adolescents desperate to get laid. Oh... but then they are quick to talk about self-improvement.

Sad but true

I've always thought that PUA techniques just kind of gives guys something to believe in. PUA gurus tell them "This is the secret, do this and women will be attracted to you" (and it only cost you $3000, lol). And if the mark believes that, then he has confidence that he knows the secret, and is therefore attractive. And that gives him the guts to go out and pick up girls. And the bar is set ridiculously low: "A master PUA will only be successful 10% of the time", so if he can get one number out of 10 attempts, then he's a master. And the more he tries, the better he gets.

That's not to say that ALL PUA theory is nonsense, there are some good principles. But the main thing is to get the guy out the door and playing the numbers game.

More like 1 in 100. Sorry but if you get laid 1% of the time you’re a failure but a PUA would call that success

Yeah, good point, all that "down the rabbit hole" stuff... they want you to think they've pulled back the curtain and showed you a new reality, real "blow your mind" type of stuff.

Also, like you say, they generally are selling to young customers. When I was of a certain age, I didn't care as much if a girl was a slvt or not, as long as she was DTF. Now I think twice. I've always said that if a guy wants to get laid, it's not that complicated: All he has to do is figure out which girls are the slvtty ones and target them. They're not going to say no, unless you are just disgusting with bad hygiene or something. So I guess he's showing how to target these women. It's just surprising that with all Tyler's experience and experimentation, this seems to be the only approach he knows.

Tyler's only 38, but it seems like he's been around forever. Is he still going to be picking up club slvts when he's in his 50s lol?

If he’s making money doing it, yes.

 

[zekko]

There is also an element of social IQ involved because you don't need to wait on these things in order get somewhere----you should be able to tell when it would be ill advised to even try

Yeah, like in the video, it would be poor social IQ for Tyler to press for the bl0wjob while that girl's brother is standing there yelling at him lol.

I don't get the thing with guys and their sisters either. Seems to me like they should make their own decisions. My sisters are older though, maybe if I had a younger sister I would feel an obligation to protect her. But if your younger sister is a club slvt giving BJs in the bathroom, what are you going to do?

More like 1 in 100. Sorry but if you get laid 1% of the time you’re a failure but a PUA would call that success

Good point. But they say 1 in 10 gives you a number, 1 of those 10 gives you a date, 1 in those 10 dates you get laid. So that's what, 0.1%? And don't forget to thank RSD.

If he’s making money doing it, yes.

There's a sucker born every minute.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Let's face it... Owen's stuff works with bar skanks after last call, but a modified version is needed for classier women.

I think that he is absolutely a genius, but he hasn't been able to fully tame his mind yet. His obvious ADHD pulls him around all over the place. My guess is that when he gets older and not so much in this game anymore, he will write books and deliver talks that will be cohesive and really add to mankind. That's MANkind. His brain is like a wild bronco waiting to be tamed. Some of you will scoff, but he is unquestionably a genius, and this will become apparent as he ages.

 

[CamCam]

Im so happy someone made a thread on this. In my search for good content, I've recently come across this Tyler infield stuff a bunch and it seems to fly in the face of all the theory I've read. So, it's nice to read some perspectives on this sort of method. I personally don't jive with it at all

I like Roosh V's day game the best thus far, but hey what do I know *subject to change

 

[zekko]

Some of you will scoff, but he is unquestionably a genius, and this will become apparent as he ages.

He's definitely a smart guy. I don't know about genius, but you could argue that he wouldn't have built his empire if he wasn't, so I won't quibble over the word. He puts all that Eastern philosophy and Buddhism into his teachings - Eckhart Tolle and all that. He's talked before about wanting to move into more general self help stuff, like Tony Robbins or whatever. Maybe he'll come up with some big contributions when he gets older, but I'm not convinced that he can rise above his own hedonism. Time will tell.

When I started getting into seduction theory, aside from SoSuave, Owen's stuff with RSD made a big impression on me. Mostly the inner game theory, not all the party boy stuff. He stays away from alcohol from what I understand. If it weren't for his business, I wonder if he would want to hang out in clubs with all those drunk people. I wish I had 1/4 of his energy though, he reminds me of someone with bipolar disorder in a manic stage.

he is married. I can bet 100% he is a submissive beta cuck

I don't think he's married, I've never heard that he is married. I know he had a girlfriend for awhile, and they had two kids together, but they broke up. From what I understand, he still insisted on practicing pickup when he was with her, so I can't blame her for getting tired of that.