Women are manipulators, their personalities are situational.

[Reykhel]

I found your Pic in a Google search.

You mad?

Yes, I'm really really mad, because it's actually my picture. What age are you knuckle dragger? 12? Didn't your owners give you an education?

Your real problem is low testosterone and years of being a cuck.

Sure.

your real problem is spending too much time being the bottom with your down low pals.

You call yourself a man?

you call yourself a biatch

 

[Reykhel]

Closet racist.

Closet homo. Another homie on the down low.

Just because I am black doesn't mean I am hood.

No it doesn't. But none of you who has being tamed, civilized and educated speaks like you speak. Only hood rats. That ain't racist, it's a fact.

This guy is a racist.

Nah, I've a darky girlfriend. Not from the hood though. Has an education and a job.

 

[TheProspect]

Isn't it quite standard that people in general look out for their own interests and happiness?

Yes, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I feel like some men try to convince themselves that men are inherently more principled than women, believing that females are the only gender with the exclusive capability to act in self-interested manner. As if believing in such a proposition gives some sort of comfort and rationale for a ego once bruised by a woman.

Women, generally speaking, will do what's best for them. I have no problem with that, because I too, will do what's best for me. Most people, as you said, will generally do what's best for them (or at least look after their own interests). Can that sometimes negatively affect someone else's life? Of course. But I don't understand why would pretend that only women are capable of that?


To OP:
Women are manipulators? Lol because we men have never tried to influence a woman according to our own self-interest? Even when our efforts to get what we want are carried out benignly for the most part, we are still placing our own interests first. There is nothing wrong with that. I guess it depends on how you define manipulation, but I would reckon most people engage in some form of manipulation to some degree every day with the intention of looking after what their interests are at that moment. It's a human trait, not a gender trait.

Women's priorities change and their personalities are situation? Again, this is not exclusive to women. If you started dating a girl who gave you great sex, great companionship, and stimulating conversations for the first 3 months, and then you started to perceive (whether it was true or not) that the sex started suddenly getting vanilla, her company was no longer enjoyable, and she was no longer fun to talk to, would you act differently towards her at the end of the 3 months as you did at the start? Probably. Would your priorities regarding her in your life change? Probably. You would be acting according to the situation, and according to whether your own interests are looked after. What if in that situation the sex, companionship, and conversation was objectively the same, but the novelty just wore off? You'd lose interest, your priorities would change, and you will act accordingly. I agree that it sucks for guy or girl who has to deal with consequences of that, but men and women aren't horrible for acting in their own interests.

Obviously men and women have different innate interests and priorities, I am not disputing that, and I agree that we need to be cautious in our interactions. But that doesn't mean us men ourselves do not act self-interested and that we do not change how we behave based on the circumstances. It's a human thing, not a gender thing.

Yes, there are MANY differences between the genders, but self-interest is not one of them. I see no utility in pretending it is, besides providing some men with some sort of comfort and rationalization for their life situation and experiences.

 

[greatsnake]

Never try to analyze a woman.

 

[Trump]

Isn't it quite standard that people in general look out for their own interests and happiness?

So what makes this so different?

Sure.

I just think men think with their brain when it comes to dealing with other men. Yet when dealing with hot women who may marry them, they think with something else.

I think the problem is that guys get brought up with a chivalrous, sacrificial, ladies first, mindset. And then women take amazing liberties with that.

Society has conditioned males to think like this. The laws made by politicians and society also force men to think like this. Hollywood makes men think like this. Family makes men think likes this. Heck, Prince Harry and Prince William and US Presidents and CEOs and Directors think like this.

And sosuave members are told “don’t value them.”

It’s if it’s good enough for Prince Harry, it’s good enough for me.

 

[flowtheory]

@TheProspect said it well.

I don’t think we can demonize the woman for being self interested and doing what she feels is best for her. Holding the perception that all women are manipulating banshees isn’t the way of success. Because in the end we are doing the same thing; humans are self interested. The only difference is women have way more options in terms of suitors and different aspects more favoured towards them.
Sitting and pointing the finger isn’t conducive to idealizing and self actuating our ideal selves. It’s counterintuitive. Life isn’t fair; accept this.

The sword cuts both ways. We as men have to provide high value. The rules of relationship are innately known; we have to know that if our value decreases over time one is more susceptible to being anondoned by the woman, and the same scenerio holds true for women.

Solution: be so good and create so much value that that doesn’t even become an option. And do it because that’s what you want as a human. Choose your partner correctly with an abundant mindset rather than one of scarcity. Or you can just shame women for wanting the best for theirselves. However that’s not empowering for anyone.
Yes, there are going to be horrible manipulating women. But there are many men like this too.

Everyone is manipulating everything, even subtly for their own desires. It’s life.

Learn the rules, understand the terrain, proceed accordingly.

 

[flowtheory]

I agree. I think the only difference is that we get put under major pressure to put women's needs above our own, to the point where that's just expected.

But you do have to get over that.

Simple indoctrination. This site helps men understand how to wriggle out of this thinking.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yes, there are MANY differences between the genders, but self-interest is not one of them. I see no utility in pretending it is, besides providing some men with some sort of comfort and rationalization for their life situation and experiences.

Yep, a lot of 'red pill' is just the championing of men's interests as opposed to women's interests. The real question though is whether men are innately better equipped to rise above self-interest/ partisanship, and seek universal solutions, i.e. provide leadership. This is the whole point of morality and ethics, which is a rational objective enterprise... or are we all Nietzscheans today?