PUA vs MGTOW

[Jaws]

Whether you know it or not, there is a civil war brewing in the manosphere. And I'm trying to decide whose side to take. So who really has the right idea about relationships with women nowadays???

Should we look to the snake oil salesman, law of attraction believing, "think and you shall become", mumbo jumbo spouting, Jason Capital and Corey Wayne subscribing, buy my course and attend my seminar, chest thumping PUA who still uses "The Cube" routine and posts "field reports" on Saturday night, who considers every cashier who hands them change, or waitress who touches their shoulder for a tip a "plate" or "notch" counts, thus putting his number in the 4 figures? These tend to be the type of man who aims to be the most "liked" poster in the history of a 4th rate shut-in forum, positioning himself as some self-actualized great white, when in reality he is more like the self-elected biggest goldfish in a bowl. For a career, they generally use vague buzzwords like "entrepreneur", "consultant", or "coach" and claim to disproportionately be involved in real estate and other lucrative careers, which are virtually impossible given the sheer number of posts on said forum at 4:30 am.

Or

Should we look to the delusional incel who is neck deep in coping mechanisms, telling people he has endless options with 10's, but it is he who chose to walk away from them or "go monk". Trying to sell you on the idea that any man who actually has access to sex would forego it willingly. These guys tend to be ripe with conspiracy theories and paranoia after spending too many hours locked in a neckbeard nest "voluntarily". They are usually hideously ugly, with teardrop tatted faces only a mother could love, or tipping the scales at 400 pounds. They love to scream from the rooftops thousands of times how they "don't give a fvck" about women whilst spending copious amounts of time analyzing them, and begging for donations in between anti-Semitic diatribes about the "powers that be"

(not that this forum has any of these types.) Discuss.

 

[ohrein]

This is a false dichotomy. The red pill is immensely complex, despite the inescapable simplifications that are espoused by the various components of the manosphere. As someone who has pulled information from everywhere, and even more importantly, psychology itself, you'd do well to treat the manosphere like a buffet. Test the ideas that make sense, use the information to improve your life.

Neither PUA nor MGTOW are "correct". They contain both truth and fallacy.

Personally, I've collected a set of principles I believe to be true, and an understanding that I can use to achieve what I want to achieve in my romantic life. It takes time but this is the best approach.

Don't pick a side at all. You don't want to adhere to an ideology, you want to figure out how to use this information to improve your life the way you want to.

 

[Jaws]

Then it's settled.

I choose MRA, the red headed stepchild of the manosphere and the only interest group that can still exist after 40 years of making zero progress for men's rights!

 

[The Duke]

Why be a follower.......blaze your own damn trail. Pick out the pieces that make sense and work for you. Create your own theories/guidelines to live by. Apply them. Improve your skills. Kick Ass & Take Names.

 

[Mike32ct]

I don’t think that incels claim the ability to attract 10s. They don’t play the, “I could but I chose not to” card. It’s more the, “I have no chance with women at all” card.

I agree with the buffet approach because none of these schools of thought are flawless or complete. But some of them are useful and will get you in the ballpark.

I personally prefer black pill. It’s brutal, but it explains a lot from bars and clubs for young people to dead bedrooms for older people.

Manosphere type stuff has some great points, but I don’t agree with all of it. If women have peak SMV at say 22 and men at 38 (as claimed), then logically the MAJORITY of 22 yo women would actively PURSUE 38 year old men.

I’m going stop right there lol.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I don’t think that incels claim the ability to attract 10s. They don’t play the, “I could but I chose not to” card. It’s more the, “I have no chance with women at all” card.

I agree with the buffet approach because none of these schools of thought are flawless or complete. But some of them are useful and will get you in the ballpark.

I personally prefer black pill. It’s brutal, but it explains a lot from bars and clubs for young people to dead bedrooms for older people.

Manosphere type stuff has some great points, but I don’t agree with all of it. If women have peak SMV at say 22 and men at 38 (as claimed), then logically the MAJORITY of 22 yo women would actively PURSUE 38 year old men.

I’m going stop right there lol.

38?

I hope that's right.

Might be true cause I've gotten Tinder matches that have told me they were unsure about me because of my (young) age, which is currently 31.

I do believe they respect maturity, but not sure what qualifies as "too old" for them.

 

[zekko]

If women have peak SMV at say 22 and men at 38 (as claimed), then logically the MAJORITY of 22 yo women would actively PURSUE 38 year old men.

It could be a matter of logistics. 22 year old women are surrounded by men in their general age group, so younger men have easier access.
Also, society today shames men who date too far out of their age group as being "creepy". Most 38 year old men probably don't even realize they could be dating 22 year olds. I'm sure there are a lot of high value 38 year olds who are easily banging 22 year old women though.

Personally, although 22 year old women are at their physical peak, I'm not sure I could relate to their maturity level.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

[QUOTE="Mike32ct, post: 2535111, member: 38571"If women have peak SMV at say 22 and men at 38 (as claimed), then logically the MAJORITY of 22 yo women would actively PURSUE 38 year old men.

It could be a matter of logistics. 22 year old women are surrounded by men in their general age group, so younger men have easier access.
Also, society today shames men who date too far out of their age group as being "creepy". Most 38 year old men probably don't even realize they could be dating 22 year olds. I'm sure there are a lot of high value 38 year olds who are easily banging 22 year old women though.

Personally, although 22 year old women are at their physical peak, I'm not sure I could relate to their maturity level.[/QUOTE]

But you could relate to their wet pu$$y, right?

 

[zekko]

But you could relate to their wet pu$$y, right?

Well, I thought I was indicating that when I said that they were at their physical peak.

 

[skinnyguy]

RSD Max did a rant video about MGTOW. He’s worried those guys are cutting into their profits by not pedestalizing women

 

[Jaws]

RSD Max did a rant video about MGTOW. He’s worried those guys are cutting into their profits by not pedestalizing women

News flash bud. So called "MGTOW" pedestalizes women as they still havent convinced themselves despite all their evidence to "go their own way". Instead they prefer to ***** in countless videos and comments about the same women who sent them on their way while pretending it was a "choice" they made. Mgtow cant even mgtow.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The purple pill is the way to go [mix of red and blue]. Also equates to MGTOW though ready to flirt [or rather respond to flirtation] when the opportunity comes knocking. Whatever you do, do not chase women today as they have been spoilt by social media.

 

[Mike32ct]

The purple pill is the way to go [mix of red and blue]. Also equates to MGTOW though ready to flirt [or rather respond to flirtation] when the opportunity comes knocking. Whatever you do, do not chase women today as they have been spoilt by social media.

I’ve read some purple pill stuff. It sounds pretty reasonable/realistic.

 

[zekko]

I’ve read some purple pill stuff. It sounds pretty reasonable/realistic.

I've always seen the "red pill" as representing reality as it actually is. That makes the most sense as its analogy in The Matrix.

As such, I don't think "red pill" means you have to walk around 24 hours a day being a hard @ss woman hater alpha thug swinging from tree to tree copulating with every female you encounter, or whatever extreme view the manosphere is pushing these days. Just that you see things as they are, and recognize the actual risks and consequences that come with your actions. And when you see things as they are, that doesn't necessarily mean that ALL the news is bad ALL the time, if you know what I mean. Your girlfriend is not always humping some ex-con behind your back. Reality may even incorporate an idea or two that might be considered "blue pill" by some.

 

[Visionist]

Purple pill seems to relate mostly to marriage on MGTOW platforms. Purple pillers get married whilst accepting that they're making a mistake in the eyes of red pillers, but go ahead with it anyway?

Marriage has never rubbed me right. A man has evolved to have multiple partners, so who came up with marriage? Are lions vegetarian? No, so why change that?

 

[Who Dares Win]

Purple pill seems to relate mostly to marriage on MGTOW platforms. Purple pillers get married whilst accepting that they're making a mistake in the eyes of red pillers, but go ahead with it anyway?

Marriage has never rubbed me right. A man has evolved to have multiple partners, so who came up with marriage? Are lions vegetarian? No, so why change that?

The purpose of marriage and monogamy was making sure that the majority of men had a woman instead of top dogs having 5 and 4 other men being incel.

This doesnt come due to niceness toward those poor incels but from the fact that a herd of pissed off incels that goes elliot rodger all togheter can break up the harmony of a society.

Men who dont get validation and sex stop giving a fvck about norms and rules and this does hard alphas and their 5 wifes, thats why those halfas created the marriage thing.

 

[zekko]

Marriage has never rubbed me right. A man has evolved to have multiple partners, so who came up with marriage? Are lions vegetarian? No, so why change that?

Marriage made more sense when the life expectancy was lower. The husband could stay to ensure the well being of the family, and then get some decent nursing care before he dropped dead.

This doesnt come due to niceness toward those poor incels but from the fact that a herd of pissed off incels that goes elliot rodger all togheter can break up the harmony of a society.

What's interesting is that the females didn't seem to have any problem with this new arrangement: Having one incel to themselves as opposed to being one of five (or more) to a patriarch type.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What's interesting is that the females didn't seem to have any problem with this new arrangement: Having one incel to themselves as opposed to being one of five (or more) to a patriarch type.

When there were no women rights or white knights during old ages, women had no problem at all when it came of decisions taken from men.

They probably still had sex with men of their choice given the chance but nothing comparable to now, no welfare or useless job supported from the gov before mid XX century.

Some people still think that monogamy came to make women happy while in fact it came to give society order and stability.

 

[zekko]

Some people still think that monogamy came to make women happy while in fact it came to give society order and stability.

A lot of posters claim that monogamy is the "woman's frame" though. I tend to think that the main purpose of marriage is the children, not so much about male/female relationships. I don't think there's a better environment to raise children than in a functional nuclear family.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I've always seen the "red pill" as representing reality as it actually is. That makes the most sense as its analogy in The Matrix.

As such, I don't think "red pill" means you have to walk around 24 hours a day being a hard @ss woman hater alpha thug swinging from tree to tree copulating with every female you encounter, or whatever extreme view the manosphere is pushing these days. Just that you see things as they are, and recognize the actual risks and consequences that come with your actions. And when you see things as they are, that doesn't necessarily mean that ALL the news is bad ALL the time, if you know what I mean. Your girlfriend is not always humping some ex-con behind your back. Reality may even incorporate an idea or two that might be considered "blue pill" by some.

The problem with red pill is its 'realism' - it really is a projection of our own rational representation onto reality. Purple pill is more classical in its contours - we make our reality out of the inert mass around us. It eclipses the mundane world of science with the teleology of art.