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For a while now, I've been taking ladies I have an interest in on painting classes where we paint some art on a canvas and we can hang it later on if one desires. All the women like it, and I find it relaxing. However, even with the Groupon, it's getting very expensive to do. Last year it was only about 35 bucks. I guess it's catching on now, so it's around 45 - 50 bucks with sales tax; reduced from 90 (used to be 70 retail). Plus, I do not hang them up, as they are just bad memories of failed possibilities.

Anyways, I'm most likely just going to do them myself, as it's apparent that it no longer seems like a good bonding experience. What are some good ideas and alternatives for 2nd dates as an activity? I've not dated in over a decade, so I am way out of practice. I just thought the painting would be a cool bonding unique experience; I was wrong.

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Drinks only on 1st, 2nd and 3rd date or until she puts out.
 

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You inviting her over and cooking dinner while having her as your kitchen assistant and giving her direction and things to do to help. Thats the ultimate panty dropper.
 

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Drinks only on 1st, 2nd and 3rd date or until she puts out.
Not sure if a lady around here will do the same thing three times.

You inviting her over and cooking dinner while having her as your kitchen assistant and giving her direction and things to do to help. Thats the ultimate panty dropper.
Usually do this on the 3rd date. Even then, sex usually doesn't happen yet. One told me it was too soon, so the week after at her place we had sex. Then, she ghosted. WTF? The one before her said I do not have sex until date six. Which we did, then she left not too long after that due to the fact she wants to fall madly in love with the man she's intimate with or something.
 

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Not sure if a lady around here will do the same thing three times.



Usually do this on the 3rd date. Even then, sex usually doesn't happen yet. One told me it was too soon, so the week after at her place we had sex. Then, she ghosted. WTF? The one before her said I do not have sex until date six. Which we did, then she left not too long after that due to the fact she wants to fall madly in love with the man she's intimate with or something.
You really need to work on your escalation abilities and/or your ability to turn them on. Most women I've done this with are literally almost ripping my clothes off after dinner.

You are doing something very wrong.
 

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You really need to work on your escalation abilities and/or your ability to turn them on. Most women I've done this with are literally almost ripping my clothes off after dinner.

You are doing something very wrong.
Open to learning. I never said I was a master. We cook together, play around, kino, then she cleans up. We go and watch some tv, make out, I am usually stopped at after her top is off an I hover around her nether region.
 

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Bowling is a good second date idea depending on the type of chick she is. It's inexpensive, fun, and bowling a couple games only takes an hour or so. Then afterwards go grab a couple drinks...
 

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Some good ideas. Thank you for sharing. The bowling seems the cheapest plus maybe mini-golf. As it gets nicer out, some outdoor activities are cool too.
 

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Open to learning. I never said I was a master. We cook together, play around, kino, then she cleans up. We go and watch some tv, make out, I am usually stopped at after her top is off an I hover around her nether region.
Next time while this is going on grab her hand and place it on your (hopefullly) hard c0ck and keep your hands on top of hers for about 15 seconds and start moving it around...you should notice a change in he breathing as she starts getting really turned on...
 

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While having a typical first date in mind is pretty common, such as a simple meeting over drinks or coffee, I would advise that you move away from any routine in which you typically do X,Y,Z on the second, third, fourth dates, etc.

The standard X, Y, Z activity approach works mainly on an assumption that the majority of women prefer things to progress with men in a particular way, hence have a particular end-goal in mind, i.e., they know what they want. This approach may work a little better with women in their late 20s because such women will tend to have a more idealistic sense of what they want and how it will progress to that "...and the rest is history" story they tell their family and friends for years: "We first met at Starbucks (first date). I remember we locked eyes and I thought to myself there was something special about him... then we played mini-golf (second date) and he was so sweet! That moment he touched my hand as he helped me learn how to putt made me swoon! When we had the fancy dinner (third date) and he said this and that, I knew he was the one! And well, the rest is history!!!!" The rock on the finger....the big wedding.... you get the drift.

Obviously no such woman wants to begin that story with: "I was giving him head 3 hours after we met at the bar!!!"

Most women in their mid to late 30s no longer think in those idealistic ways anymore, and tend to let go a little of that fairytale progression. They are typically, by this age, on the flip side of some LTR/marriage that lead to some cynicism in that fairytale thinking. In addition to this, they may retain a desire to find someone to settle down with again, eventually, but are in no rush to achieve it. This becomes a secondary goal for a little while. Their primary goal is to live free of whatever repressions that had to deal with through the failing fairytale. They want to have fun, stay out late, have some sex.... they want to be single and a little slutty, play the field if only for a while, until they finally meet the next guy to get serious with (who will typically be the polar opposite of the last guy she was serious with).

This progression can take a woman several years to fully play out, and where she is in that progression is going to determine the extent of her willingness to have sex, how quickly she will allow things to progress to sex, what types of activities she desires or doesn't desire leading up to sex, etc.

When you have an X, Y, Z approach to how you progress with women at this age, it is only going to work with women looking for that particular progression. A newly-free woman diving back into the dating scene after a 5 or 10 year relationship, for example, is not going to be patient enough to go through 6 mini-golf, painting type bonding dates before having sex. They want to paint the town red and get laid. These types will come to your place on the second date to ride you on your couch after dinner.

At some point, they eventually get their fill and begin a screening process in which they make men some men wait just a little bit longer. This is a transitional phase. They will make a more LTR-worthy man wait a little longer and try to get to know them a little better, but still may periodically sleep very quickly with a man of pure sexual attraction. They may also decide, after 2, 3, 4 dates, the guy isn't LTR material after all, never sleep with him, and just disappear (which of course leaves the guy scratching his head). Or, they may be 5 or 6 dates in, decide the same thing, but sleep with him anyway because she put the time into it, but still disappear after.

Then, eventually, a woman hits the period of desiring substance and quality again and wants to be saved from the singles scene.

Eventually they fall back into another LTR.

Having the ability to sense where women are in this progression will give you a much better sense of what to do on your dates with them. It can help you determine which ones to play mini-golf with and which ones to invite straight to your place after spending a few hours at the bar.
I am starting to get where you are coming from. However, since I am not a big drinker I always preferred to do an activity together. Believe it or not, the painting activity used to be a pretty good 2nd date. I cannot see any lady inviting a stranger over to their place or come to my place after one date/meet. The last one, who we had a drink and shared a pizza for a couple of hours on the first meet, then went painting on the second meet, changed her mind about letting me into her apt right in front of her building. That was a first for me. Then texted she had a great night and finally ghosted after I called her a few days ago. Which, I was going to invite her to my place.

Since I live in the suburbs of Connecticut, most ladies are 25 mins. away. I've yet to meet one online which is in my city. Thus, I am a bit bewildered on how to be close enough to the city where, after drinks, we're able to attempt to go back to my place or hers. That was why I setup a plan for 1st date drinks, 2nd date activity with kino, 3rd cooking at home that may lead to sex. Obviously, I am doing something wrong. I just do not get how a woman would be open to coming over to my place after meeting me only for a couple of hours a week or so ago. I wasn't trying to set anything with any of them for a LTR, I do not know them, so I am just trying to get to know them.

Isn't that a man is supposed to do? Confused to say the least.
 

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I wouldn’t do the same second date over and over again. Each girl is a ‘new canvas’ to me. So each picture has to be different. Drop the same ideas. Explore new lounges, creative outlets, science exhibits, pay by donation night at the art gallery, walks, go to the book store together.

This has a great list.

https://conversationstartersworld.com/second-date-ideas/
 

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I cannot see any lady inviting a stranger over to their place or come to my place after one date/meet. The last one, who we had a drink and shared a pizza for a couple of hours on the first meet, then went painting on the second meet, changed her mind about letting me into her apt right in front of her building. That was a first for me. Then texted she had a great night and finally ghosted after I called her a few days ago. Which, I was going to invite her to my place.
Let this woman who ghosted you go. You posted about it last week. And if youre not careful this is going to mess up your belief about other women and in turn yourself. So cut it out. Just because one woman changed her mind doesn’t mean the next will. Take everything that happened as a learning experience when things don’t pan out and do something different next time. Start kino immediately on the first date too.
 

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Most women in their mid to late 30s no longer think in those idealistic ways anymore, and tend to let go a little of that fairytale progression. They are typically, by this age, on the flip side of some LTR/marriage that lead to some cynicism in that fairytale thinking. In addition to this, they may retain a desire to find someone to settle down with again, eventually, but are in no rush to achieve it. This becomes a secondary goal for a little while. Their primary goal is to live free of whatever repressions that had to deal with through the failing fairytale. They want to have fun, stay out late, have some sex.... they want to be single and a little slutty, play the field if only for a while, until they finally meet the next guy to get serious with (who will typically be the polar opposite of the last guy she was serious with).

This progression can take a woman several years to fully play out, and where she is in that progression is going to determine the extent of her willingness to have sex, how quickly she will allow things to progress to sex, what types of activities she desires or doesn't desire leading up to sex, etc.

When you have an X, Y, Z approach to how you progress with women at this age, it is only going to work with women looking for that particular progression. A newly-free woman diving back into the dating scene after a 5 or 10 year relationship, for example, is not going to be patient enough to go through 6 mini-golf, painting type bonding dates before having sex. They want to paint the town red and get laid. These types will come to your place on the second date to ride you on your couch after dinner.

At some point, they eventually get their fill and begin a screening process in which they make men some men wait just a little bit longer. This is a transitional phase. They will make a more LTR-worthy man wait a little longer and try to get to know them a little better, but still may periodically sleep very quickly with a man of pure sexual attraction. They may also decide, after 2, 3, 4 dates, the guy isn't LTR material after all, never sleep with him, and just disappear (which of course leaves the guy scratching his head). Or, they may be 5 or 6 dates in, decide the same thing, but sleep with him anyway because she put the time into it, but still disappear after.

Then, eventually, a woman hits the period of desiring substance and quality again and wants to be saved from the singles scene.

Eventually they fall back into another LTR.

Having the ability to sense where women are in this progression will give you a much better sense of what to do on your dates with them. It can help you determine which ones to play mini-golf with and which ones to invite straight to your place after spending a few hours at the bar.
WOW. This should be saved to the "best of" section of the site because it is so spot-on. And I mean all of it. I've literally experienced all of this in the last year and a half alone.

About all I can add to this, from my experience, is the observation that some women may make it difficult for you to tell what they are looking for, causing you to go down the wrong road or become invested too deeply. I've experienced a woman who was in the "recently divorced from a long and sexually repressed marriage, just looking for something casual, lots of hot sex, wanting to explore the field" who, due to social pressures, did everything with her words and actions to make it clear that she was looking for something serious and long-term when that wasn't actually the case. Consciously, she may have even thought she wanted an LTR at the time, but after a month or two, she panicked and vanished just like described by Amante. It was just too soon for her to settle down and she was probably afraid that an LTR meant losing her freedom (even though I gave her plenty of freedom and space). I've also lost out on opportunities for sex with super hot recently divorced single moms who were just looking to hook up at a time when I was just getting back into dating myself so I didn't recognize the signs. When I didn't sleep with them on the first or second date, they got pissed off and vanished. This all totally backs up Amante's points about there being no formula. Bottom line: Pay attention to the signs and respond accordingly.
 
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Let this woman who ghosted you go. You posted about it last week. And if youre not careful this is going to mess up your belief about other women and in turn yourself. So cut it out. Just because one woman changed her mind doesn’t mean the next will. Take everything that happened as a learning experience when things don’t pan out and do something different next time. Start kino immediately on the first date too.
Just using it as the example, just like the other two. All within the last week. One I wasn't attracted to. One who ghosted. One who never returned a call. Just using them as examples, not harping on her.

Many women coming straight out of frustrating, sexless, long term relationships have had a sexual itch they've needed to scratch for a long time, some for as long as a couple of years. When these women get to such a point and begin to explore new sexual partners, they do not want to spend a lot of time getting to know a guy and exploring chemistry with him over several dates and several weeks to see if there is compatibility, possibility for a LTR, etc. They do not want to jump right back into another LTR. They just want to have fun with their newfound freedom. These women will bail on a guy if he keeps suggesting get to know you dates.



Getting to know them is precisely what you do when you are steering towards a LTR. When a woman intentionally goes out to hook up, to scratch that sexual itch she had during the years of her dead relationship, do you really think they want to go through weeks of get to know you dating to find the right nice guy who meets all of these boyfriend prerequisites? Most times, they will be willing to do the deed relatively quickly, if not on the first date, then certainly on the second, with no intention of developing things any further beyond that.

Now, this same woman may behave entirely differently a year later. She has satisfied the sexual starvation she had during the years of her dead relationship and is now starting to desire a little more substance again.

Another year after that, and this same woman may once again change her approach, and will become the type to make a man wait 6 dates before sex, require several bonding activities and long talks beforehand, etc.

Same woman, three different sexual behaviors. All based on where she is coming from.




No. A man does what serves him and the end goal that he seeks, whatever that might be. The idea that a man must always do certain things because he is supposed to is a form of "blue pill" thinking.

Some women want to simply hook up and forget you the next day.
Some women want only the LTR.
Some women want to be casual, such as friends with benefits.
Some women are hookers and only require money.

Are you supposed to do the same thing with every one of these women? Would you take a hooker or a one night stand out on mini-golf and bowling dates to get to know them? Would you consider a drunk, promiscuous woman who will sleep with you on your first date future wife material? Of course not. You would treat each woman accordingly, based on what you were looking for and what they are willing to provide.

What I am telling you is that ONE WOMAN can go through all of these stages. She can go through a promiscuous wh0re stage at one point, a causal dater at another point and the sweet LTR girl at yet another point in her life, each stage defining her behavior based on what SHE WANTS. That means whatever a man is "supposed to do" will tend to change with her mind. When you do what you are "supposed to do", you are always trying to provide what THEY WANT, whatever that happens to be at the moment for them.

When you do what YOU want to do, there will always be women out there willing to heed your desires based on what YOU WANT, only because there are enough women out there who want the same thing.
I see and I appreciate your insight. It does give me more to learn about the female behavior in modern dating. I did try to loosely follow this advice on the last date, but as I mentioned, she changed her mind for me to come up to her apt. (again, using as the example). When a lady does this, would you contact her again or just next her and move on to the next one? Does it show low interest on her part or hesitation, or something else? I actually liked the painting as I was in a zone, as she and the instructor stated to the class. I didn't do it to impress anyone, I did it because I find it relaxing.
 

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Sometimes women change their mind to let you up to their apartment out of fear or shame. It helps if you address this with them covertly. If she doesn't flat out say no, and instead she seems unsure, you can say something like, "You can invite me in for a cup of tea and kick me out whenever you like, but only if you promise not to try to take advantage of me" or something along those lines.
 

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Just using it as the example, just like the other two. All within the last week. One I wasn't attracted to. One who ghosted. One who never returned a call. Just using them as examples, not harping on her
Example or not.. if I give examples of something which wasn’t ideal and that happened to me, I have an emotional connection to it. Then, I have to consciously think of it. So a part of me has to re-live that ‘example’ everytime I reach for it. And this isn’t just within dating.

That’s why I say to let it go.

If you think of all the times you succeeded in getting in to a girls place in the second date, your mind would be in a different place. You will create a different momentum. But because of your current mental state, you’re thinking about all the things which are not working. All the things which could go wrong. It’s where we as humans get caught up.

Because... Not getting in there, lead to a hurtful experience for you, so you want to do everything to not experience that again. You’re brain is out smarting you. So you have to find ways to out smart it. As at the end of the day your brain is just wanting to keep you safe from potential hurts, which is rejection. Our brain is very very complex and I suggest you learn about it, as it is what is controlling you, the women you see and every male here.

This why many people can’t approach in real life. Or be successful in many avenues. Because getting what you really desire is actually a painful path. But your pain is in your past. You’re choosing to re-live it, then project it to new situations before they even happen. Thenthis becomes a habit and cyclical ptterin and ultimately makes us who we are. Welcome to the human condition. You are made up of habits and beliefs, that’s it. That’s why many people never change; beliefs are hard to change. And once you see it. You can’t not see how humans self sabotage their own success. No woman is your obstacle. You’re the only obstacle to your success. So your unsuccessfulness is because you’re not gearing yourself to success; which is really just getting out of your own way.

If you go back and read all your own posts that you posted in the last week. You will be able to give yourself the best advice because you know you. Everyone here is guessing based on their own experience.


Realize you hold the key to your happiness and You have the antidote. No one else has yours. But this day in age we think others hold ours. This is why we perpetually search for happiness in things or people.

A lot of geniuses wrote in journals. But maybe they were geniuses because they wrote in journals... (meaning; by being vulnerable with yourself you can correct your course constantly and manipulate your own behaviour to that of what we want)

You ever notice how we can see everyone else’s problems and help them with ease, however we have so much trouble helping ourselves? It’s because we can see their problems objectively but we see ours emotionally. Writing your thoughts allows you to take the emotion out.

This forum helps men not because people are helping them, but because they are writing their issues out and working through their problems by letting their emotion out in an objective format. Such like a journal. Then you take certain people’s perspectives over others because their thoughts align with yours which gives way to reflection. But really they’re not solving your issue, they are just saying something which you already knew and you further reinforce that.
 
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You really need to work on your escalation abilities and/or your ability to turn them on. Most women I've done this with are literally almost ripping my clothes off after dinner.

You are doing something very wrong.
I think your smv is way different than his. If he’s this self conscious about a 2nd date
 

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Example or not.. if I give examples of something which wasn’t ideal and that happened to me, I have an emotional connection to it. Then, I have to consciously think of it. So a part of me has to re-live that ‘example’ everytime I reach for it. And this isn’t just within dating.

That’s why I say to let it go.

If you think of all the times you succeeded in getting in to a girls place in the second date, your mind would be in a different place. You will create a different momentum. But because of your current mental state, you’re thinking about all the things which are not working. All the things which could go wrong. It’s where we as humans get caught up.

Because... Not getting in there, lead to a hurtful experience for you, so you want to do everything to not experience that again. You’re brain is out smarting you. So you have to find ways to out smart it. As at the end of the day your brain is just wanting to keep you safe from potential hurts, which is rejection. Our brain is very very complex and I suggest you learn about it, as it is what is controlling you, the women you see and every male here.

This why many people can’t approach in real life. Or be successful in many avenues. Because getting what you really desire is actually a painful path. But your pain is in your past. You’re choosing to re-live it, then project it to new situations before they even happen. Thenthis becomes a habit and cyclical ptterin and ultimately makes us who we are. Welcome to the human condition. You are made up of habits and beliefs, that’s it. That’s why many people never change; beliefs are hard to change. And once you see it. You can’t not see how humans self sabotage their own success. No woman is your obstacle. You’re the only obstacle to your success. So your unsuccessfulness is because you’re not gearing yourself to success; which is really just getting out of your own way.

If you go back and read all your own posts that you posted in the last week. You will be able to give yourself the best advice because you know you. Everyone here is guessing based on their own experience.


Realize you hold the key to your happiness and You have the antidote. No one else has yours. But this day in age we think others hold ours. This is why we perpetually search for happiness in things or people.

A lot of geniuses wrote in journals. But maybe they were geniuses because they wrote in journals... (meaning; by being vulnerable with yourself you can correct your course constantly and manipulate your own behaviour to that of what we want)

You ever notice how we can see everyone else’s problems and help them with ease, however we have so much trouble helping ourselves? It’s because we can see their problems objectively but we see ours emotionally. Writing your thoughts allows you to take the emotion out.

This forum helps men not because people are helping them, but because they are writing their issues out and working through their problems by letting their emotion out in an objective format. Such like a journal. Then you take certain people’s perspectives over others because their thoughts align with yours which gives way to reflection. But really they’re not solving your issue, they are just saying something which you already knew and you further reinforce that.
True. I am working on myself, no doubt. I guess it's a once bitten twice shy attitude. I can take rejection, it's just the mixed messages I find perplexing.

We have no idea why this woman changed her mind, or whether future women will make the same decision as this one did. So whether you should have nexted this one in hindsight or were justified in trying again, neither decision is going to be the right answer every single time with every woman moving forward. All you should be concerned with is whether this becomes a repeating pattern for you.



It could be anything. Who knows. You don't have to figure it out unless, as I said, this happens often to you. If it doesn't, it was just one quirky experience attributed to this one girl. Even if you did know why she made that decision, there is nothing guaranteeing every woman in your future is going to think and behave the same way. Never make changes based on one experience.

As for the painting bit, if this is something you enjoy doing and are looking for the type of woman who enjoys the same activities, then there is nothing wrong with it at all. But I will say this much: you do not want to be in some isolated "zone" that isolates you from a woman you are trying to pursue. Imagine if she took you somewhere of her choice, she runs into an old friend and becomes completely immersed in a long conversation with this someone, paying little or even no attention to you for the duration of it. You would probably be wondering "Why the fvck am I even here right now?" in between those moments of smiling at their quips of conversation, as if you are interested and give a crap.

So again, who knows. This particular woman may have been playing along and painting her picture with a smile, while wondering WTF am I even doing here right now?
The zone was just as I was a painting the mural. I was very active in touching her and advising her. Perhaps, it wasn't a good idea for a date. I'm not perfect.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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