How do naturals do it - Gut instinct

[R.U.G.]

For money.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwy7lx2nx1i68tn/Screenshot_2018-02-19-03-29-17.png?dl=0

That's great for you. However, I would not pay money to fvck her. Sorry. I will not directly pay for sex. The costs are just too high. I have no idea why you put yourself through this. You must really want to end up in jail and on the face of the newspaper. See, if that happened to me, the business cost and humiliation would be just too much. But hey, pvssy is more important to you than building a business or making your own money. That's cool. As an ex once told me, you do you.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

That's great for you. However, I would not pay money to fvck her. Sorry. I will not directly pay for sex. The costs are just too high. I have no idea why you put yourself through this. You must really want to end up in jail and on the face of the newspaper. See, if that happened to me, the business cost and humiliation would be just too much. But hey, pvssy is more important to you than building a business or making your own money. That's cool. As an ex once told me, you do you.

There are very easy ways to verify that she's not a police officer. Ask her to grab your d1ck or take off her shirt before any money in exchanged.

Show me pictures of girls you fvck for free? And what amount of effort and commitment is involved?

FYI: You speak to me in way too familiar of a manner. I have no clue who the fvck you are. I suppose you're one of these people with self-proclaimed "amazing social skills."

 

[R.U.G.]

I do not claim to be anything. I am just a poster on a message board. For all you know, I could be vice in Florida. I know what you look like, the women you claim to hire and be with, what you do. I know your dropbox account, your Google account, and the other links you've shared within the public forum. If I really cared I can find a lot about you, trust when I say, it would not be that hard. However, I really do not care to do so.

That's the difference between you and me Frogman. You care what other people think of you. Me? I couldn't care less. However, the stuff I post is true gold. Not for you, as you just like to fvck hookers. And that is fine. I am not putting you down. Do what makes you happy. However, you are cruising for a financial bruising.. And it's not like I'm the only one on this board who's told you this.

I am not talking familiar at all. Last time I checked, you posted the picture of the hookers you are so proud of. So, continue to do what you want. Go fvck hookers and flip houses with Daddy's money. If I was as lucky as you, with the family money, I'd skip this hooker crap and build a real estate empire. But no, you continue to hire pvssy and flip little houses in Florida.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I am not talking familiar at all. Last time I checked, you posted the picture of the hookers you are so proud of. So, continue to do what you want. Go fvck hookers and flip houses with Daddy's money. If I was as lucky as you, with the family money, I'd skip this hooker crap and build a real estate empire. But no, you continue to hire pvssy and flip little houses in Florida.

Yes, you talk way too familiar.

My only point in posting pictures of hookers is that they're hotter than 99% of the girls that people post on here.

You don't know jack sh1t about real estate, and you're not tougher, smarter, or stronger than me in any way.

I would bet that you've never done a single truly impressive thing in your life.

 

[zekko]

i did , it says iam a campaigner, its not 100% accurate but it got a lot of stuff right about me, esepcially the feeling what others feel part, yeah i can understand others and their feelings and feel what they feel which makes it easy sometimes to know what someone wants .

Campaigner is an ENFP personality. From my observations, guys who have the "F" in their type do well with women. The F stands Feelings, and they are usually good at empathy and reading other peoples feelings, like you say.

 

[sph21]

From my observations, guys who have the "F" in their type do well with women. The F stands Feelings, and they are usually good at empathy and reading other peoples feelings, like you say.

My personality type is INFJ. It's the rarest type.

So, The F is not a weakness? Many people around me say that I use feelings too much. It's as if being more in tune with my own feelings is bad.

 

[zekko]

My personality type is INFJ. It's the rarest type.
So, The F is not a weakness? Many people around me say that I use feelings too much. It's as if being more in tune with my own feelings is bad.

I think there are strengths and weaknesses to all the personality types. I'm an INTJ, so I have the T instead of the F. There are pros and cons to anything. I've noticed that the F helps guys relate to women though, because they are more in touch with feelings - both their own and other people's. Being a T, I'm more logical, so that can be a source of masculine strength, but I also run the risk of coming off as a little too cold.

 

[ZaCool]

Heres the thing .... on the outside iam tough and show no feelings , people usually have no idea what i want or what iam thinking and think iam emotionally tough and cant be taken advantage of .... and all that is correct iam usually in full control of my feelings but i am still a human being and have feelings , iam usually also pretty good at feeling what others feel without letting it influence me emotionally, basically i take what i want and leave the rest, it has helped understand situations better and adjust my approach sometimes ..... the only bad thing i would say is overthinking, like i have the weirdest ideas (and sometimes they turn out true) .

A lot of guys. even close friends sometimes tell me iam kinda crazy or have serious issues cause i judge a girl after meeting her once or twice, but these same people have no idea whose lying and whose not, while i can easily find out most of the time .

Empathy is usually a feminine trait which is why in the dating world women do better .... ever been told to not lie to women or play obvious games cause they pick up on every slight change of behaviour ? Yeah we all have been told that at one point or another .... now imagine a guy who has the same intuition as a female.. he's still masculine, can control his feelings but at the same time has the tools that make females do well at dating .... its an advantage but learning to use it the right way is the hard part.

Basically i can now better know who has a bf, who is lying, who is using me as a back up plan, what girl will text me first and what her next step will be ... my friend thought i had some psychic powers and can predict the future cause i was always 2 steps ahead of his gf but nope ... its just experience coupled with the right feelings.

Anyways thats how i view it even though i still have a lot to learn .

 

[fastlife]

OP, @guru1000 knocked it out of the park--but you need to reread his post & do a little introspection.

Do you have enough experience to really trust your gut...yet? Have you been in enough situations that led to sex that you can say with any accuracy what is 'gut' vs. what is defenses your ego has in place to feel like you 'won' even though you're going home by yourself and have jack sh1t to show for it?

I'm not trying to be a d1ck, but if your gut isn't getting you laid then fvck your gut lol. If your gut makes excuses to rationalize your lack of success at the moment (http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...e-broke-or-even-homeless.247701/#post-2529306), fvck your gut.

I'm sure you're intelligent, observant & intuitive. And I'm sure your gut does provide you with valuable information--but at this point it's incomplete information--since you don't have enough reference experience testing the veracity of those impressions. I've been there--most of us probably have. I used to brag that I always knew the moment I met a girl whether or not I'd sleep with her--and that was true at the time--but it was because my sample size was small, limited, self-selected, and I wasn't willing to push things & risk overt rejection, so it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. These days, most of my lays come from girls who don't blatantly telegraph their interest, who I wouldn't have approached in the past, and who my gut usually tells me aren't interested until I persist a little bit...and boom.

But before you can get to that point, you have to challenge your assumptions, set your ego aside, and, in situations where your 'gut' isn't giving you the desired outcome, learn how to tune it out.

 

[ZaCool]

OP, @guru1000 knocked it out of the park--but you need to reread his post & do a little introspection.

Do you have enough experience to really trust your gut...yet? Have you been in enough situations that led to sex that you can say with any accuracy what is 'gut' vs. what is defenses your ego has in place to feel like you 'won' even though you're going home by yourself and have jack sh1t to show for it?

I'm not trying to be a d1ck, but if your gut isn't getting you laid then fvck your gut lol. If your gut makes excuses to rationalize your lack of success at the moment (http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...e-broke-or-even-homeless.247701/#post-2529306), fvck your gut.

I'm sure you're intelligent, observant & intuitive. And I'm sure your gut does provide you with valuable information--but at this point it's incomplete information--since you don't have enough reference experience testing the veracity of those impressions. I've been there--most of us probably have. I used to brag that I always knew the moment I met a girl whether or not I'd sleep with her--and that was true at the time--but it was because my sample size was small, limited, self-selected, and I wasn't willing to push things & risk overt rejection, so it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. These days, most of my lays come from girls who don't blatantly telegraph their interest, who I wouldn't have approached in the past, and who my gut usually tells me aren't interested until I persist a little bit...and boom.

But before you can get to that point, you have to challenge your assumptions, set your ego aside, and, in situations where your 'gut' isn't giving you the desired outcome, learn how to tune it out.

Iam not saying any of this is wrong, on the contrary youre right, i joined this site for a reason, to understand more how to be with women and what works and what doesnt ... i still have a long way to go before i can claim that my gut instinct is superior to everyone i simply lack the experience to make such a claim .

you see i have no problem attracting women, or knowing if they lie about something which helps a lot in caliberating my approach, but on the other hand i always reach a certain point, the moment of truth , the moment i know for sure if she wants me or not, usually i initiate and make her feel comfy talking to me for a few days/ week, then wait for her to reach out to me, through texting or face to face ...etc , usually the ones that do reach out are interested, the ones that dont turn out taken or have guys lined up and looking for a back up plan .

i however do struggle with getting laid, iam just not sure about myself anymore, i mean as i said attraction is piece of cake for me, i can hold a convo, iam smart, i escalate sexually and not the shy type but for some reason women are never interested in sex with me, the reason i joined this site is to learn how to get laid, dating is easy i can do that it doesnt take a genius to treat a woman with respect and date her ..... but getting laid is a whole new thing, you need to push the right buttons and i have tried everything but yet its not working for me and iam currently looking for the reason ... why women who are attracted to me, show interest in me and even act slvtty and go with the flow when iam being sexual still avoid getting sexual with me ... its really annoying the heck out of me, sh*t i can tell girls to take off their shirts or to sleep with me face to face and get away with it ( they laugh it off and arent even slightly offended) but never actually get anything !! i see so many guys on here saying they spin plates and sleep with 5 chicks but i find myself wondering, how the f*Ck they do it ? they dont seem to be using magic then why its not working with me when i try it ?

 

[wifehunter]

I have talked to plenty of women, went out with some ...etc you know the usual crap guys go through with women , and i have read a lot, asked here and there for advice sometimes and its all good and useful ... but in all honesty i find that the deciding factor is usually gut instinct , it shouldnt be this easy but it is , if she likes me i feel it, if she has a bf i feel it , if iam her back up plan i also feel it, idk if my gut instinct is better than other men (since many seem to be lowering their value and not realizing the woman is lying) but for me personally whatever i feel is usually the case .

I tried to fight these feelings in the past and tell myself " i cant be right just cause i feel it " but turns out iam right 9/10 , and i have a feeling guys who are good with women do just that, they feel when to push and when to pull, they know when to give up on a woman and when to be more aggressive and go for it .

 

[ZaCool]

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It is .... what kind of fvcked up u have to be to trust something like your gut when it comes to women and dating .... but the more naturals and players i meet the more i realize they can "feel" it

 

[wifehunter]

I

It is .... what kind of fvcked up u have to be to trust something like your gut when it comes to women and dating .... but the more naturals and players i meet the more i realize they can "feel" it

 

[Spaz]

The gut feeling is born out of the number of experiences you had with women in the past.

Those who has dated with girls when they were 11 or 12 years old and continued to do so throughout their teens will be more subconsciously attuned to recognise certain traits in girls and would subconsciously adapt themselves in any interaction with them.

The gut feeling grows in tandem with the number of women you had in the past.

 

[wifehunter]

The gut feeling is born out of the number of experiences you had with women in the past.

Those who has dated with girls when they were 11 or 12 years old and continued to do so throughout their teens will be more subconsciously attuned to recognise certain traits in girls and would subconsciously adapt themselves in any interaction with them.

The gut feeling grows in tandem with the number of women you had in the past.

It's unreliable.

Example: Get indigestion from having too much pepperoni pizza? Oh, she's and evil witch now.

 

[fastlife]

you see i have no problem attracting women, or knowing if they lie about something which helps a lot in caliberating my approach, but on the other hand i always reach a certain point, the moment of truth , the moment i know for sure if she wants me or not, usually i initiate and make her feel comfy talking to me for a few days/ week, then wait for her to reach out to me, through texting or face to face ...etc , usually the ones that do reach out are interested, the ones that dont turn out taken or have guys lined up and looking for a back up plan .

Now we're getting somewhere. What you describe isn't Arousal (sexual attraction), it's Interest. Instead of converting that Interest to Arousal, your strategy relies around converting it to Comfort. So, ya, you get a lot of validation or w/e but Validation =/= Sex & really only holds value to your ego--no tangible value whatsoever. Chances are you could've slept with 80-90% of these girls, but you're too slow on the trigger. Why? Well, inexperience one...very few guys know how quickly you can sleep with a girl (a couple hours face time) AND how much easier it is to bed a girl the faster you go. Second, you have hangups/insecurities about where you are in life that make you feel inadequate to sleeping with these same girls--regardless of whatever else you have going for you, so you procrastinate.

You're a tall, good looking guy tho, and probably a little too nice. So, of course, these girls will cultivate the attention train, even after you've proven (by moving so slow) you aren't the guy they can have reckless regret-free sex with; and you probably convey a lot of bf vibes so that's why you get all these monkey-branchers You'd be an upgrade over their current bf, but right now your commitment is more valuable than your d1ck.

NOTE--The above, obviously, involves a lot of projection & extrapolation, since all I have to guy by is the two threads I've seen by you--but willing to bet I'm not far off Also, had to make a quick reply but if you're interested, I can probably dig up a couple resources/threads/etc. that might help you out when I have more time.

 

[Spidah]

Look at this. Women today have an abundance mindset with men and don't give a shyt.

Men are bending over backwards to get relationships with women. Not sex. Relationships.

That's why females have abundance now. Its all too easy for them.

 

[Von]

OP, @guru1000 knocked it out of the park--but you need to reread his post & do a little introspection.

Do you have enough experience to really trust your gut...yet? Have you been in enough situations that led to sex that you can say with any accuracy what is 'gut' vs. what is defenses your ego has in place to feel like you 'won' even though you're going home by yourself and have jack sh1t to show for it?

I'm not trying to be a d1ck, but if your gut isn't getting you laid then fvck your gut lol. If your gut makes excuses to rationalize your lack of success at the moment (http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...e-broke-or-even-homeless.247701/#post-2529306), fvck your gut.

I'm sure you're intelligent, observant & intuitive. And I'm sure your gut does provide you with valuable information--but at this point it's incomplete information--since you don't have enough reference experience testing the veracity of those impressions. I've been there--most of us probably have. I used to brag that I always knew the moment I met a girl whether or not I'd sleep with her--and that was true at the time--but it was because my sample size was small, limited, self-selected, and I wasn't willing to push things & risk overt rejection, so it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. These days, most of my lays come from girls who don't blatantly telegraph their interest, who I wouldn't have approached in the past, and who my gut usually tells me aren't interested until I persist a little bit...and boom.

But before you can get to that point, you have to challenge your assumptions, set your ego aside, and, in situations where your 'gut' isn't giving you the desired outcome, learn how to tune it out.

Interesting.

When i first decided to stop being a AFC or a loser with women. Or a loser in life in général (no hobbie, obsess with women validation, good at school but no friends, no goal, just living to live, no health shape).

You know the first think i decided to do to be a better person?

Do the reverse of what my guts tell me.

My guts said: no good.... i acted

Why? For exactly what you posted 1) lack of information 2) lack of confidence 3) pollution in my guts and brain...

My ego/brain/gut was wired in a self-destructive, AFC way and no confidence... So my reasoning was that... Anything my gut would say "it's good" was actually bad for my self growth... Since my gut would support my afc/loserness/lack of confidence.

For 2 years i did the contrary of my guts. I acted while my brain said no.

I développed my "no outcome mindset" , my confidence, now "no" have no impact, i développed my inner core, my physical shape.

It's only in the past 1 year that i listen to my guts... Why now? Cause now my guts is in a winner mentality.

So when my guts say "go", i go... Cause i made my gut " positive"

I still approach whoever, it's training.

Until one, love himself and complète his information, inner core, find a goal.... His guts might not be his best friend

 

[ZaCool]

Now we're getting somewhere. What you describe isn't Arousal (sexual attraction), it's Interest. Instead of converting that Interest to Arousal, your strategy relies around converting it to Comfort. So, ya, you get a lot of validation or w/e but Validation =/= Sex & really only holds value to your ego--no tangible value whatsoever. Chances are you could've slept with 80-90% of these girls, but you're too slow on the trigger. Why? Well, inexperience one...very few guys know how quickly you can sleep with a girl (a couple hours face time) AND how much easier it is to bed a girl the faster you go. Second, you have hangups/insecurities about where you are in life that make you feel inadequate to sleeping with these same girls--regardless of whatever else you have going for you, so you procrastinate.

You're a tall, good looking guy tho, and probably a little too nice. So, of course, these girls will cultivate the attention train, even after you've proven (by moving so slow) you aren't the guy they can have reckless regret-free sex with; and you probably convey a lot of bf vibes so that's why you get all these monkey-branchers You'd be an upgrade over their current bf, but right now your commitment is more valuable than your d1ck.

NOTE--The above, obviously, involves a lot of projection & extrapolation, since all I have to guy by is the two threads I've seen by you--but willing to bet I'm not far off Also, had to make a quick reply but if you're interested, I can probably dig up a couple resources/threads/etc. that might help you out when I have more time.

youre nor far from the truth, iam planning on posting a thread asking about this issue, its the only thing iam struggling with, everything you said is indeed true and it does happen like that with me .

 

[Trump]

women always play games with me acting interested then uninterested then when i lose interest they suddenly start flirting again,

That’s cause you are easy to play games with. They get a rush out of making men look like fools.