Entitled

[oldmanofthesea]

Just read this today
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-sent-date-invoice-ghosted-101419195.html

Woman goes out with a guy on a first date. He pays for dinner. She ghosts him. He sends her a bill for her half of the dinner. She flips and shares the story on Twitter. Some support her, some don't.

Her final response before making her Twitter account private: "YOU AS A WOMAN ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE A MAN ANYTHING IN EXCHANGE FOR A CHEAP DINNER"

I'm sorry but yes you are. At the very least, if a guy has gone out of his way to invite you out, plan a date, pay for your dinner and drinks, and behave like a gentleman, you are OBLIGATED to give him the courtesy of telling him you aren't interested, at the very least, and if you aren't interested, you should pay for your half of the meal when the server brings the check. If, during the course of the date, you decide you aren't interested in him and let him pay for your meal anyway, you are selfish and entitled.

It is completely beyond me how someone can think they are entitled to free food and drinks and then turn around and be disrespectful and feel so entitled about it that they post it on Twitter thinking they are going to get nothing but support from the general public.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Just read this today
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-sent-date-invoice-ghosted-101419195.html

Woman goes out with a guy on a first date. He pays for dinner. She ghosts him. He sends her a bill for her half of the dinner. She flips and shares the story on Twitter. Some support her, some don't.

Her final response before making her Twitter account private: "YOU AS A WOMAN ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE A MAN ANYTHING IN EXCHANGE FOR A CHEAP DINNER"

I'm sorry but yes you are. At the very least, if a guy has gone out of his way to invite you out, plan a date, pay for your dinner and drinks, and behave like a gentleman, you are OBLIGATED to give him the courtesy of telling him you aren't interested, at the very least, and if you aren't interested, you should pay for your half of the meal when the server brings the check. If, during the course of the date, you decide you aren't interested in him and let him pay for your meal anyway, you are selfish and entitled.

It is completely beyond me how someone can think they are entitled to free food and drinks and then turn around and be disrespectful and feel so entitled about it that they post it on Twitter thinking they are going to get nothing but support from the general public.

We've already covered that a dinner date isn't wise . You have to look at it as taking a male friend to dinner. So you definitely shouldn't pay all of the time, and each paying for their own is an option. And no she doesn't owe you anything. Stop entertaining someone just because you like their looks.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

I agree with you about not doing dinner dates - unless things are progressing. I learned that a while back.

But having said that, if a guy does offer to pay, I think it's very disrespectful and selfish for a woman to accept it knowing that she isn't interested and then ghost him.

Ultimately we have to be wise and ensure we aren't putting ourselves in a situation where we can be used but regardless, it doesn't excuse her behavior.

 

[soulforge]

Fuk dinner dates, I expect a chick to go half way even with drinks.. I give zero fuks about how beautiful she is!

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I agree with you about not doing dinner dates - unless things are progressing. I learned that a while back.

But having said that, if a guy does offer to pay, I think it's very disrespectful and selfish for a woman to accept it knowing that she isn't interested and then ghost him.

Ultimately we have to be wise and ensure we aren't putting ourselves in a situation where we can be used but regardless, it doesn't excuse her behavior.

Her behavior was a communication, the same as if a male friend communicated the same thing .

 

[Murk]

Fuk dinner dates, I expect a chick to go half way even with drinks.. I give zero fuks about how beautiful she is!

ALWAYS

Why are you paying for a women's meal and drinks on the first date? What kind of president does that set, she could be a post op tranny for all you know. I hope nobody on this site is paying 100% on first or even second dates.

 

[marmel75]

Self entitlement knows no bounds. But by the looks of things the dude was probably a beta lame ass since he went dinner on the first date

 

[marmel75]

Fuk dinner dates, I expect a chick to go half way even with drinks.. I give zero fuks about how beautiful she is!

I always pay for the first drink and in most cases they offer to ger the next round without me prompting...

 

[The Duke]

I get the guy's frustration and think its a pretty funny idea to get one last dig in.

But I think it comes from a place of inexperience. Women aren't men. They never will be. They don't live by the same set of rules/behavior men do. They aren't expected to conform to the same rules/behaviors either.

For me its all about return on investment. Make better decisions with women you spend time and money on. Always put yourself first. Be aware that there are a ton of women that willingly accept dinner offers with no intention of things progressing. Out of the hundreds of first dates I've went on, there has only been 2 girls that offered to pay. One of them only offered to pay her half which was her covert attempt at telling me I am not going out with you again. The 2nd one took me to a really expensive restaurant and paid for it all($220) because she felt bad for cancelling our first 2 scheduled dates.

Not a single one of them cares about being fair. They are entitled. They use men for attention and free meal plans. They act out of guilt. They think that their presence is payment. Its up to you to understand their nature and act accordingly.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I get the guy's frustration and think its a pretty funny idea to get one last dig in.

But I think it comes from a place of inexperience. Women aren't men. They never will be. They don't live by the same set of rules/behavior men do. They aren't expected to conform to the same rules/behaviors either.

For me its all about return on investment. Make better decisions with women you spend time and money on. Always put yourself first. Be aware that there are a ton of women that willingly accept dinner offers with no intention of things progressing. Out of the hundreds of first dates I've went on, there has only been 2 girls that offered to pay. One of them only offered to pay her half which was her covert attempt at telling me I am not going out with you again. The 2nd one took me to a really expensive restaurant and paid for it all($220) because she felt bad for cancelling our first 2 scheduled dates.

Not a single one of them cares about being fair. They are entitled. They use men for attention and free meal plans. They act out of guilt. They think that their presence is payment. Its up to you to understand their nature and act accordingly.

Once you understand the nature of the beast you know what it's capable of you know how to be .

 

[AJ84]

Just read this today
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-sent-date-invoice-ghosted-101419195.html

Woman goes out with a guy on a first date. He pays for dinner. She ghosts him. He sends her a bill for her half of the dinner. She flips and shares the story on Twitter. Some support her, some don't.

Her final response before making her Twitter account private: "YOU AS A WOMAN ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE A MAN ANYTHING IN EXCHANGE FOR A CHEAP DINNER"

I'm sorry but yes you are. At the very least, if a guy has gone out of his way to invite you out, plan a date, pay for your dinner and drinks, and behave like a gentleman, you are OBLIGATED to give him the courtesy of telling him you aren't interested, at the very least, and if you aren't interested, you should pay for your half of the meal when the server brings the check. If, during the course of the date, you decide you aren't interested in him and let him pay for your meal anyway, you are selfish and entitled.

It is completely beyond me how someone can think they are entitled to free food and drinks and then turn around and be disrespectful and feel so entitled about it that they post it on Twitter thinking they are going to get nothing but support from the general public.

This story made my day I love it. Good for him he should blow it up on Twitter to counter her Twitter blow up.

I know no one is owed anything after a date but not replying, even to say there was no connection, is quite disrespectful and says a lot about that person.

IMO if a guy invites her to dinner, drinks, bowling, mini golf etc I don't care what it is, she should at least offer to contribute towards the bill.
If he says no, she should pay the tip or if she likes him say "next time it's on me."

When I started dating my husband I won 500 on a scratch ticket. I asked him to pick a pricy restaurant in Toronto that he always wanted to go to and we can blow the cash living rich for a day. We always, even to this day take turns paying for entertainment and dinners out.

I think If girl never offers to pay its a red flag and a clear indication of her acting like she's the prize doing you a favour. There should be a balance, both should be prizes to each other I don't care if that sounds stupid lol.

 

[R.U.G.]

We've all fallen into this trap. Usually, I ask the woman out, I will pay. I guess that is how I was raised and it is a hard habit to break. Usually, if it turns into something, I have a talk that we should start splitting things and move on from there. If they disagree, I walk away. I am not a bank. However, I only do drinks and tapas. If I do an event with her, it's more than likely highly discounted from Groupon, Living Social or Plum Events. So, instead of spending 100 bucks on an event, I spend around 30 for the even, maybe another 25 on the drinks/tapas. Pretty close to the 40.00 Leykis rule. This only happens on the second date and after. First date, drinks and a tapa to share.

 

[greatsnake]

lmao...

this reminds of a time that a chick was dancing for me at a club and asked if I was going to buy her drinks and my answer was "no". So she went ahead and told her friends and asked why I was an azzhole to her.

 

[R.U.G.]

lmao...

this reminds of a time that a chick was dancing for me at a club and asked if I was going to buy her drinks and my answer was "no". So she went ahead and told her friends and asked why I was an azzhole to her.

With regret, we now live in a world where women, who naturally have a low attention span, usually seek instant gratification with little to no work. They think, just because they have a pvssy, they are to be worshiped. Heck, even ugly women now feel this way due to Meghan Trainor. Which, I think is funny, as she was a fatty who lost a lot of weight and had plastic surgery after her songs were about taking her as she is. Can someone say hypocrite?

This is why I tell men to focus on your purpose in life and make $$$. Sure, get sex where and when you can, but the most important thing in your life is you, not the pvssy you are fvcking. If you are successful in obtaining your purpose, the women will eventually come.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

With regret, we now live in a world where women, who naturally have a low attention span, usually seek instant gratification with little to no work. They think, just because they have a pvssy, they are to be worshiped. Heck, even ugly women now feel this way due to Meghan Trainor. Which, I think is funny, as she was a fatty who lost a lot of weight and had plastic surgery after her songs were about taking her as she is. Can someone say hypocrite?

This is why I tell men to focus on your purpose in life and make $$$. Sure, get sex where and when you can, but the most important thing in your life is you, not the pvssy you are fvcking. If you are successful in obtaining your purpose, the women will eventually come.

They will come and most will come to leech your success and energy. It's to you to discern and get what you want and need out of it.

 

[Red Legg]

When I was spinning plates I didn't even do dates,it usually didn't come to that.I would usually be invited to her house and start off straight fvckin.

 

[R.U.G.]

They will come and most will come to leech your success and energy. It's to you to discern and get what you want and need out of it.

As long as you do not marry them or have them pop out your kids, you'll be fine. They are good for a fvck and then you'll get tired. Hence the reason for multiple women in the mix. That is also one of the reasons why relationships fail so much. Both sexes always think there is someone better. Maybe yes, maybe no. However, if your basic needs are being met, why change? Well, technology has made the temptation just too great to just settle. Trust when I say, when a woman is ready to have kids and she finds a stable brother, she'll mate with him. Then, they will get married due to the kid (s) and then, one the kid (s) is/are in school, she divorces him and goes back to find someone better because she is bored. Doesn't matter if the brother was loyal or stuck by her through tough times (I.E. Brooke Burke, Janet Jackson), they will leave mainly to see what else is out there. Men have to believe love does not exist between males and females who are not blood. Look what happened to Channing Tatum, David Schwimmer, Kevin Dillon, etc. As my boy, Chris Brown says the truth, they are just not loyal.

 

[R.U.G.]

Sending her a bill just comes across as arseache to me. Pretty lame.

You reckon she's "obligated". Quite obviously she isn't obligated to do sh!t.

The guy seems entitled, and pissed that she didn't run through his beta courtship game. I've been there before too, but i've never done anything as gay as asking for compensation.

Pure cringe, and he should feel embarassed. This shouldn't be lauded....

Yea, it was pretty beta, but the majority of modern men (Gen X's millennials, etc.) are beta, not alpha or a mix. However, as a man, I can relate, but never would do that. Just write it off as a business meeting. There you go, 50% off. LOL.

 

[R.U.G.]

When I was spinning plates I didn't even do dates,it usually didn't come to that.I would usually be invited to her house and start off straight fvckin.

Then you're amazing. Never happened to me.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Then you're amazing. Never happened to me.

I've had this too . It was ones who liked my look and met in club setting or heard about me from someone else.