Urbanyst has a Point?

[fastlife]

I’ve put in some field work too, but when I get blown out over and over it makes me think that there’s a problem with my theory. Hence the threads. Seems like LMS is all the rage these days so I wanted to talk about it a bit more

Lol. Bro...you haven't put in enough legwork to even reach that conclusion yet. Your ego is looking for a way out--monk mode, blame LMS, etc. cause rejection sucks. It hurts. It's easier to quit--and quitting is easier if you can conveniently blame external circumstances. But that wont fix your problem. There ain't no shortcuts or magic pills--everyone takes their knocks.

Getting blown out can be corrected without doing anything to optimize LMS. Below I've linked threads on the basics of opening & its not any fancy tricks or gimmicks. It's mostly tonality, eye contact, social dominance.

And before you take advice from anybody, ask yourself, Does this person seem happy? If they were getting laid with the girls they wanted would they be so negative? Would a guy who was crushing it want to tear down other users or build them up? And go from there.

[USER=132587]@Young_Don It's not the girls, it's YOU. More specifically, YOUR APPROACH. You would have the same problem in any city. I can say that confidently because my first 4-5 months I ran into the same issues; and then proceeded to kill in that very same city with the same type of girls for the next year & a half.

Your frame is weak. You don't feel entitled to approach & your dependent on the reaction of the girls to validate your follow through. That's neediness & girls feel it at the bottom of their stomachs.

Here's a quick fix: Start talking like a traffic cop or a dog trainer. Project from your diaphragm, pretend your words are traveling straight from your mouth in an arc towards the ground. So instead of "Heyyy? How are youuu doing tonighttt?" its more like, "YOU. Who the FVCK are YOU." Hard to really explain the difference via text, but youll feel it when you hit the right tonality (and it'll immediately change how people react to you). Julien does a good job explaining it here:

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[URL]http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/did-my-first-cold-approach-today.238426/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/first-four-day-game-approaches.238572/[/URL]

 

[nicksaiz65]

Lol. Bro...you haven't put in enough legwork to even reach that conclusion yet. Your ego is looking for a way out--monk mode, blame LMS, etc. cause rejection sucks. It hurts. It's easier to quit--and quitting is easier if you can conveniently blame external circumstances. But that wont fix your problem. There ain't no shortcuts or magic pills--everyone takes their knocks.

Getting blown out can be corrected without doing anything to optimize LMS. Below I've linked threads on the basics of opening & its not any fancy tricks or gimmicks. It's mostly tonality, eye contact, social dominance.

And before you take advice from anybody, ask yourself, Does this person seem happy? If they were getting laid with the girls they wanted would they be so negative? Would a guy who was crushing it want to tear down other users or build them up? And go from there.



[URL]http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/did-my-first-cold-approach-today.238426/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/first-four-day-game-approaches.238572/[/URL]

Thanks for the links. I’ll keep this in mind as I do more approaches. I’m really thinking about starting to do daygame in addition to nightgame. An approach a day, maybe? One of my friends actually met his long term girlfriend in the library, which is crazy to me lol. I’m better at nightgame than daygame at the moment though. Would you recommend reading a Roosh Book or something along with these threads or should I just throw myself out there?

 

[user43770]

@Urbanyst was full of sh1t

 

[nicksaiz65]

@Urbanyst was full of sh1t

You can’t say he wasn’t hilarious though.. hard headed dude if I’ve ever seen one lmao

 

[user43770]

You can’t say he wasn’t hilarious though.. hard headed dude if I’ve ever seen one lmao

I liked the dude, but he kept spamming the same sh1t over and over.

He wouldn't debate for sh1t. Just clam up like a woman.

 

[fastlife]

Thanks for the links. I’ll keep this in mind as I do more approaches. I’m really thinking about starting to do daygame in addition to nightgame. An approach a day, maybe? One of my friends actually met his long term girlfriend in the library, which is crazy to me lol. I’m better at nightgame than daygame at the moment though. Would you recommend reading a Roosh Book or something along with these threads or should I just throw myself out there?

Do what YOU want to do lol. None of us have a turn-by-turn roadmap for the personal journey that'll work best for you. But, in my mind, the ideal is that if you see a girl who interests you, you do her the immense favor of giving her the opportunity of meeting you. Day, night, wherever lol. But all you can do is give her the opportunity.

As far as Roosh, remember the criteria I suggested earlier that indicates someone is probably a credible source of advice re: women. Roosh, I'm sure, is insightful and funny and he might be an interesting read BUT I haven't seen anything by him to indicate he ever achieved anything significant with women/life. Too much negativity, too much bitterness, too much victimization. Personally, I think the four best resources you can find are the YaReally archive, the free RSD Youtube videos, Rollo & Pook. But that's what I learned from; those are what I field-tested; those are what worked for me.

But the most important part, once you get a little bit of theory to work from, is definitely to apply it. Limit your consumption to bit size things that you can try out until you hit a roadblock; then seek out more knowledge.

 

[zekko]

He was out with a wingman & he asked me if I could take a photo of him with his friend using his phone. He did NOT ask for my number at that point, just that I take the picture. I did as requested.

I don't mean to insult your boyfriend, but wow that is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Just goes to show how effective unoriginal ideas can be. Doing something this cliched would bug me, I have to admit, but that's my issue.

But the real reason I bring this up is that it occurs to me: How many guys actually go around collecting pictures of themselves? Seems like more of a female preoccupation.

 

[BeExcellent]

I don't mean to insult your boyfriend, but wow that is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Just goes to show how effective unoriginal ideas can be. Doing something this cliched would bug me, I have to admit, but that's my issue.

But the real reason I bring this up is that it occurs to me: How many guys actually go around collecting pictures of themselves? Seems like more of a female preoccupation.

If something works, whether it is old as the hills or not, it's no less effective. He was nonchalant about it. There is no need to stand on one's head or do something off the wall for originality's sake. Just do something.

Of course I knew he was interested when he asked me to take the photo but I had noticed him when I walked into the venue and so when he broke the ice I knew he had noticed me as well.

As far as the photos? He takes lots of them. So did my father. When we lost my dad it was cool to have so many photos of him doing things, photos with family, photos with friends, photos every where. Most of his were slides as that was a common medium in the 60s & 70s.

Some people are picture people. I'm not going to pick someone apart over that. Seems like a silly thing to concern myself with...and he likes to share with me pictures he takes so I have many nice photos of us and I didn't have to take them (I'm much less a picture person than he is...) I almost never take photos...so for me it's nice that he does.

 

[Spidah]

If something works, whether it is old as the hills or not, it's no less effective. He was nonchalant about it. There is no need to stand on one's head or do something off the wall for originality's sake. Just do something.

Of course I knew he was interested when he asked me to take the photo but I had noticed him when I walked into the venue and so when he broke the ice I knew he had noticed me as well.

As far as the photos? He takes lots of them. So did my father. When we lost my dad it was cool to have so many photos of him doing things, photos with family, photos with friends, photos every where. Most of his were slides as that was a common medium in the 60s & 70s.

Some people are picture people. I'm not going to pick someone apart over that. Seems like a silly thing to concern myself with...and he likes to share with me pictures he takes so I have many nice photos of us and I didn't have to take them (I'm much less a picture person than he is...) I almost never take photos...so for me it's nice that he does.

You've never dated an alpha male have you?

I can tell.

 

[BeExcellent]

You've never dated an alpha male have you?

I can tell.

Dating one now, and historically that is the behavioral profile I am most comfortable with and most calibrated to. Why? Father was one unequivocally, as was grandfather, uncles, etc. on my father's side of the family. They were all masculine imposing men who were respected, in some cases feared and all were highly esteemed leaders of other men. It goes without saying that they were also steadfastly in charge of their relationships and the women in their lives. They were loyal to their families but their highest value was on respect. They were men who naturally commanded respect from everyone around them. They had inner strength and resolve and were MEN. So that is what I naturally screen for. I cannot stand weakness or indecision in a man. It repels me.

"Alpha" is not some caricature. See my description in the thread about frame recently. I know better than plenty of men what alpha is. I was raised by the most alpha man you can imagine & surrounded by them all of my formative years.

Whether or not a man likes to take pictures has nothing to do with alpha. That is utterly absurd.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Dating one now, and historically that is the behavioral profile I am most comfortable with and most calibrated to. Why? Father was one unequivocally, as was grandfather, uncles, etc. on my father's side of the family. They were all masculine imposing men who were respected, in some cases feared and all were highly esteemed leaders of other men. It goes without saying that they were also steadfastly in charge of their relationships and the women in their lives. They were loyal to their families but their highest value was on respect. They were men who naturally commanded respect from everyone around them. They had inner strength and resolve and were MEN. So that is what I naturally screen for. I cannot stand weakness or indecision in a man. It repels me.

"Alpha" is not some caricature. See my description in the thread about frame recently. I know better than plenty of men what alpha is. I was raised by the most alpha man you can imagine & surrounded by them all of my formative years.

Whether or not a man likes to take pictures has nothing to do with alpha. That is utterly absurd.

So you're telling us that your dad was the #1 super most alpha male to ever be born on the Earth?

And you expect us to take you seriously?

Don't you see how these are just your opinions, and these perceptions can be relative?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Of course I knew he was interested when he asked me to take the photo

Is this BigNeil you're talking about?

 

[Spidah]

Dating one now, and historically that is the behavioral profile I am most comfortable with and most calibrated to. Why? Father was one unequivocally, as was grandfather, uncles, etc. on my father's side of the family. They were all masculine imposing men who were respected, in some cases feared and all were highly esteemed leaders of other men. It goes without saying that they were also steadfastly in charge of their relationships and the women in their lives. They were loyal to their families but their highest value was on respect. They were men who naturally commanded respect from everyone around them. They had inner strength and resolve and were MEN. So that is what I naturally screen for. I cannot stand weakness or indecision in a man. It repels me.

"Alpha" is not some caricature. See my description in the thread about frame recently. I know better than plenty of men what alpha is. I was raised by the most alpha man you can imagine & surrounded by them all of my formative years.

Whether or not a man likes to take pictures has nothing to do with alpha. That is utterly absurd.

Nah. You date betas.

Just know it based on some of your others posts. Making these guys wait for sex and other shyt. No alpha has time for bitches who don't put out. We have too many options.

Get with the program or get dropped. You don't lead shyt in my life.

 

[devilkingx2]

Nah. You date betas.

Just know it based on some of your others posts. Making these guys wait for sex and other shyt. No alpha has time for bitches who don't put out. We have too many options.

Get with the program or get dropped. You don't lead shyt in my life.

There's alpha males who would wait for sex (by banging other girls and only going on dates with chicks who make you wait when your d!ck is sore from friction burns or you're awaiting test results or something)

Only a beta male would commit and only date one girl whilst being made to wait for sex however

 

[BeExcellent]

Nah. You date betas.

Just know it based on some of your others posts. Making these guys wait for sex and other shyt. No alpha has time for bitches who don't put out. We have too many options.

Get with the program or get dropped. You don't lead shyt in my life.

Well I'm not dating you so it really doesn't matter does it?

In your arrogance you assume things about which you have no knowledge, namely the context of my life. After you go on using women for a while you may discover that it does not fulfill the deeper human needs that you ignore for now. If and when you reach that point in a decade or so (or perhaps sooner) you will be OVER all the shallow sex, the revolving door of new women, the bubbleheads, the bim bos and the associated headaches that accompany that lifestyle.

It is at that point (and not before) that a player begins to seek something more meaningful, precisely because he is OVER all the meaningless sex, which is easy enough to obtain. And he starts being open to women who are substantive, not just hot. Hot women with their act together and a good head on their shoulders are rare. Even for the alphas and the players. As such they have high value amongst those men. I would disqualify you very quickly because you are not at a point where you seek real value. Women who are wise wait to give up sex for precisely that reason. It weeds out the ONS guys and the STR guys with efficiency.

I remain very physically attractive however my BF values my intellect even higher than my looks. He values the fact that I don't need him and have my own life in very good order as well. He is proud of me and impressed by me, and he remains a leader among men, which is really what the essence of an alpha is. Because he is a natural leader I am comfortable to defer to him. But I am perfectly capable of holding my own and he knows that. We both are able to easily attract other people but we continue together because of the mutual compatibility, respect and quality of relationship we have with one another.

Nobody would call him beta IRL. Furthest thing from it, lol.

 

[BeExcellent]

Is this BigNeil you're talking about?

Not at all. I did not find Neil attractive at all, lol.

So you're telling us that your dad was the #1 super most alpha male to ever be born on the Earth?

Not at all. Read what I wrote. Rather I'm telling you that my father was extremely alpha and that I saw alpha behavior day in and day out from birth for the first 2 decades of my life. So I have seen up close what an alpha man does, how an alpha man acts, and how he leads his own life as well as leading those around him.

When high value men (doctors, lawyers, businessmen, accomplished men) come up to you at a funeral and say: "Your father was a GREAT man"..."Your father was the best lawyer I ever saw"..."Your father taught us for 35 years - we had SO MUCH RESPECT for him" and on and on - when an 86 year old prosecutor drives 9 hours one way just to pay his respects...

It means there is deep RESPECT paid to a GREAT leader of men. It was a humbling experience to witness the depth and candor of the respect these high value men expressed about my dad. And I was very proud and humbled to be his daughter, for all these men also told me how proud he was of me (something my father did not express directly to me often.)

Alpha is FAR more than the ability to get laid. And that is where some here miss the point entirely.

 

[zekko]

I don't think photography is a feminine activity. But going around collecting pictures of yourself, you have to admit that is far more common among females. Especially if they end up getting posted to social media.

Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. John Alexander, who wrote "How to Become an Alpha Male", recommended that a good balance for a man was 70% masculine, 30% feminine. In other words, he said you should engage in activities that are 70% masculine, 30% female. Examples of masculine activities would be drinking beer, motorcycles, playing guitar, things like that. Feminine activites would be like getting manicures, knitting, taking selfies... Apparently if you are 100% masculine, it's a little too overbearing. According to him, anyway.

 

[BeExcellent]

Ralph Lauren is a fashion designer. He doesn't strike me as the least bit beta in any way shape or form. It is less about what a man does and more about who a man IS.

 

[Spidah]

Well I'm not dating you so it really doesn't matter does it?

In your arrogance you assume things about which you have no knowledge, namely the context of my life. After you go on using women for a while you may discover that it does not fulfill the deeper human needs that you ignore for now. If and when you reach that point in a decade or so (or perhaps sooner) you will be OVER all the shallow sex, the revolving door of new women, the bubbleheads, the bim bos and the associated headaches that accompany that lifestyle.

It is at that point (and not before) that a player begins to seek something more meaningful, precisely because he is OVER all the meaningless sex, which is easy enough to obtain. And he starts being open to women who are substantive, not just hot. Hot women with their act together and a good head on their shoulders are rare. Even for the alphas and the players. As such they have high value amongst those men. I would disqualify you very quickly because you are not at a point where you seek real value. Women who are wise wait to give up sex for precisely that reason. It weeds out the ONS guys and the STR guys with efficiency.

I remain very physically attractive however my BF values my intellect even higher than my looks. He values the fact that I don't need him and have my own life in very good order as well. He is proud of me and impressed by me, and he remains a leader among men, which is really what the essence of an alpha is. Because he is a natural leader I am comfortable to defer to him. But I am perfectly capable of holding my own and he knows that. We both are able to easily attract other people but we continue together because of the mutual compatibility, respect and quality of relationship we have with one another.

Nobody would call him beta IRL. Furthest thing from it, lol.

You talk too much.

No alpha has time for this shyt. That's why I know you date betas and only betas.

All due respect.

 

[Spidah]

There's alpha males who would wait for sex (by banging other girls and only going on dates with chicks who make you wait when your d!ck is sore from friction burns or you're awaiting test results or something)

Only a beta male would commit and only date one girl whilst being made to wait for sex however

Yes, that's right.