Urbanyst has a Point?

[nicksaiz65]

This is what happens when the website moved away from action in 2011 (field reports etc) and more into theory talk

95%of guys aren't doing the field work

I’ve put in some field work too, but when I get blown out over and over it makes me think that there’s a problem with my theory. Hence the threads. Seems like LMS is all the rage these days so I wanted to talk about it a bit more

 

[devilkingx2]

Urbanyst doesn't have a point. Everyone agrees LMS is important. Urbanyst claims it's all that matters and that game is a myth. He is wrong. I know from personal experience over a decade of testing all this stuff that game is the most important part of the equation, especially if you want a long term relationship. You mostly hear of beta guys or AFC's in the context of dating a girl and that's because LMS can only get you in the door. Even a guy would get bored of ****ing the hottest woman on earth if she was boring. A guy with no game is just that, boring. Even if their looks, money and status can capture some initial interest, it will never last without the fundamentals of being a man.

Conversely, it may be harder to get attractive women without LMS and impossible to get shallow women who are looking for their equal, but it's not impossible. All of us have seen dudes pull women waaaay out of their league physically and that's because they are creating strong emotional attraction with game.

I get what Urbanyst is saying when he points out PUA tricks are bull****. If you're a wimpy beta who goes to try and neg a super model, yeah, that's not gonna work. Game has to be internalized and congruent with who you are. You have to live and breath confidence and self-assured behavior. You have to be a man. But if I had to choose one thing to take with me into the future of my dating life it would be knowledge of game without any hesitation. I'd rather be an ugly and broke loser with game than a rich and famous wimp.

People forget that we Don't all live in the same reality, that's why people give ****ty advice, because what works for them isn't necessarily going to work for you, if you forget that your reality isn't the universe as a whole, then you'll accuse other people of spouting BS while thinking that your own advice is the gospel when it's just dogma

That's what i think happened to urbanyst, he doesn't realise his personality and game suck, so he thinks that only LMS is what counts because girls who aren't all about LMS wouldn't give him the time of day

 

[devilkingx2]

I posted a field report and it got zero replies lol

The problem with field reports is that they tend to be long and uneventful, because IRL is not scene after scene of badassery edited into 2 hours runtime

Thusly, the trick is coming up with a clickbait title(that is still accurate to the situation), organizing your FR for easy skimming and cutting out unnecessary details, etc.

Think: "FR: I almost got aids!?!" Or "FR: drunk horny identical twins" Versus "FR: I went to a club"

 

[Spaz]

Urbanyst doesn't have a point. Everyone agrees LMS is important. Urbanyst claims it's all that matters and that game is a myth. He is wrong. I know from personal experience over a decade of testing all this stuff that game is the most important part of the equation, especially if you want a long term relationship. You mostly hear of beta guys or AFC's in the context of dating a girl and that's because LMS can only get you in the door. Even a guy would get bored of ****ing the hottest woman on earth if she was boring. A guy with no game is just that, boring. Even if their looks, money and status can capture some initial interest, it will never last without the fundamentals of being a man.

Conversely, it may be harder to get attractive women without LMS and impossible to get shallow women who are looking for their equal, but it's not impossible. All of us have seen dudes pull women waaaay out of their league physically and that's because they are creating strong emotional attraction with game.

I get what Urbanyst is saying when he points out PUA tricks are bull****. If you're a wimpy beta who goes to try and neg a super model, yeah, that's not gonna work. Game has to be internalized and congruent with who you are. You have to live and breath confidence and self-assured behavior. You have to be a man. But if I had to choose one thing to take with me into the future of my dating life it would be knowledge of game without any hesitation. I'd rather be an ugly and broke loser with game than a rich and famous wimp.

This is good. OP take heed ^^

 

[RichardTheFrog]

First of all, I don't think anyone here actually has "status." In this connected world we live in, only true celebrities have that.

Of course looks and money matter. How much they matter varies between each individual girl.

I have yet to hear any solid definition of "game" other than "your ability to get the opposite sex to have sex with you," which in that case would include LMS. I know it's not corny pickup lines. There has to be real tangible substance there.

 

[Spaz]

First of all, I don't think anyone here actually has "status." In this connected world we live in, only true celebrities have that.

Of course looks and money matter. How much they matter varies between each individual girl.

I have yet to hear any solid definition of "game" other than "your ability to get the opposite sex to have sex with you," which in that case would include LMS. I know it's not corny pickup lines. There has to be real tangible substance there.

A manager has status, so does a managing director/CEO of a company, even a brick layer has status. In fact everyone has status. It's just a matter of perception.

As for game, as example you, your game is a Lamborghini which you have yet to attain. You and everyone here has game but how effective it is?

So what you should ask is which game is the most effective.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

A manager has status, so does a managing director/CEO of a company, even a brick layer has status. In fact everyone has status. It's just a matter of perception.

As for game, as example you, your game is a Lamborghini which you have yet to attain. You and everyone here has game but how effective it is?

So what you should ask is which game is the most effective.

I have way more than a Lamborghini. I'm been back and forth on that lately. If I do it, it's very possible that I might try to sell it within 6-12 months. Or perhaps I'll keep it and have fun maintaining it myself.

I think the super thick bionic d1ck is actually way cooler.

And the spinal cord injury I spent the majority of my 17th and 18th year recovering from will probably supercede anything else I do in my own mind, except maybe if I become a millionaire flipping houses.

Nobody ever seems to point out that 99% of girls have nothing interesting going for them except the fact that they're girls. And they seem to think the simple fact that they're female puts them on equal footing with any man on the planet.

As far as managers and all that...

I don't think that is status enough to count because girls have seen that a million times by the time they're 20 years old. In such an overpopulated, connected world, you need to have some SERIOUS status for it to mean anything. Otherwise, I think you'd be just as well off trying to act as humble as possible.

 

[ohrein]

I have yet to hear any solid definition of "game" other than "your ability to get the opposite sex to have sex with you," which in that case would include LMS. I know it's not corny pickup lines. There has to be real tangible substance there.

This is an interesting point and I'm not sure I could easily define game in a way that anyone else would. It's certainly more than getting sex to me personally, though. I would say it's closer to your ability to get someone to love you. But as for an actual definition I think it'd be something like "A set of principles that maximize your potential to be the best version of yourself, thus maximizing your attractiveness." I say "a" set of principles because you need to adapt them to your goals and your own personality. So LMS is absolutely included as part of game, but then so is anything else outside of it.

I can tell from writing this post that I need a good deal more time to unpack what game is cleanly though.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

This is an interesting point and I'm not sure I could easily define game in a way that anyone else would. It's certainly more than getting sex to me personally, though. I would say it's closer to your ability to get someone to love you. But as for an actual definition I think it'd be something like "A set of principles that maximize your potential to be the best version of yourself, thus maximizing your attractiveness." I say "a" set of principles because you need to adapt them to your goals and your own personality. So LMS is absolutely included as part of game, but then so is anything else outside of it.

I can tell from writing this post that I need a good deal more time to unpack what game is cleanly though.

This is probably the ONLY time you'll ever hear me quote the Urban Dictionary, but they have the best definition I've ever read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Game&amp=true

 

[ohrein]

This is probably the ONLY time you'll ever hear me quote the Urban Dictionary, but they have the best definition I've ever read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Game&amp=true

Haha, I actually like that a lot. I'll chuck it here for anyone else to stumble upon.

TOP DEFINITION
Game
It's CONFIDENTLY using your attributes, characteristics, and overall personality to win the affection of the woman you want. You can't have game if you don't know yourself; you can't be confident in what you're ignorant of.

Game is playing the cards you're dealt and WINNING; turning your positives into swagger (not 'swag') and your negatives into charm.

Symps would have you believe that 'game' means blindly acquiescing to a woman's whims and going along to get along with an ulterior motive in mind (usually sex). Those are just cons and fakes who prey on insecure, attention *****s because they believe a quality woman would NEVER appreciate the man he REALLY is. They lack game, so if they assume this about themselves, they are ultimately right.

Sometimes the cards in your deck are insufficient, you didn't exude the right amount of confidence, or maybe you were TOO confident and it came off as arrogance. When that happens, you just charge it to the game, learn from it, and keep it moving.

An expert of game can pull any woman he wants, but that doesn't mean he can pull EVERY woman. See, a person with game can read a woman before even talking to her; he knows if the woman he's scoping would dig his rap or not and an expert of game doesn't want a woman that wouldn't want him, so his success rate is much higher. When you've gotten to this level, you're a MACK.
Game is often misunderstood.
Game isn't about lying.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Haha, I actually like that a lot. I'll chuck it here for anyone else to stumble upon.

TOP DEFINITION
Game
It's CONFIDENTLY using your attributes, characteristics, and overall personality to win the affection of the woman you want. You can't have game if you don't know yourself; you can't be confident in what you're ignorant of.

Game is playing the cards you're dealt and WINNING; turning your positives into swagger (not 'swag') and your negatives into charm.

Symps would have you believe that 'game' means blindly acquiescing to a woman's whims and going along to get along with an ulterior motive in mind (usually sex). Those are just cons and fakes who prey on insecure, attention *****s because they believe a quality woman would NEVER appreciate the man he REALLY is. They lack game, so if they assume this about themselves, they are ultimately right.

Sometimes the cards in your deck are insufficient, you didn't exude the right amount of confidence, or maybe you were TOO confident and it came off as arrogance. When that happens, you just charge it to the game, learn from it, and keep it moving.

An expert of game can pull any woman he wants, but that doesn't mean he can pull EVERY woman. See, a person with game can read a woman before even talking to her; he knows if the woman he's scoping would dig his rap or not and an expert of game doesn't want a woman that wouldn't want him, so his success rate is much higher. When you've gotten to this level, you're a MACK.
Game is often misunderstood.
Game isn't about lying.

Nobody can get every woman they want. That's impossible.

 

[Spaz]

TOP DEFINITION
Game
It's CONFIDENTLY using your attributes, characteristics, and overall personality to win the affection of the woman you want. You can't have game if you don't know yourself; you can't be confident in what you're ignorant of.

It starts off by learning to be manly and living it daily.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Great definition of game. Looks like this thread turned out productive after all

 

[BeExcellent]

This is probably the ONLY time you'll ever hear me quote the Urban Dictionary, but they have the best definition I've ever read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Game&amp=true

That's a great definition. It captures discretion. Discretion, in this case meaning the ability to accurately read people as receptive or not receptive is foundational to game. When I look back at my initial interaction with my now boyfriend I find that definition to be entirely true, both from his perspective and from my perspective.

In other words we noticed one another and assessed one another prior to him breaking the ice. Once he approached we both read verbal and non-verbal cues & confirmations of interest and continued interacting. That isn't LMS. That's game.

He is a master of game. One of the best I've seen. But then, I'm nothing to sneeze at myself, lol.

He also has LMS, but so do most folks in my social circles, and his LMS frankly is less relative to other men I have met and know. But his game? Great. And that means he can lead me and I'm not bored.

And that great game allows for authentic exploration of compatibility & connection within the context of the relationship that has developed organically and in spite of itself.

I would submit that game becomes the foundation upon which a good relationship is built because it actually filters out the BS and hones in on what's really going on between two people, good or bad. That in turn gives you various benchmarks to evaluate whether or not to continue the interaction or relationship with the other person and in what capacity.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

That's a great definition. It captures discretion. Discretion, in this case meaning the ability to accurately read people as receptive or not receptive is foundational to game. When I look back at my initial interaction with my now boyfriend I find that definition to be entirely true, both from his perspective and from my perspective.

In other words we noticed one another and assessed one another prior to him breaking the ice. Once he approached we both read verbal and non-verbal cues & confirmations of interest and continued interacting. That isn't LMS. That's game.

He is a master of game. One of the best I've seen. But then, I'm nothing to sneeze at myself, lol.

He also has LMS, but so do most folks in my social circles, and his LMS frankly is less relative to other men I have met and know. But his game? Great. And that means he can lead me and I'm not bored.

And that great game allows for authentic exploration of compatibility & connection within the context of the relationship that has developed organically and in spite of itself.

I would submit that game becomes the foundation upon which a good relationship is built because it actually filters out the BS and homes in on what's really going on between two people, good or bad. That in turn gives you various benchmarks to evaluate whether or not to continue the interaction or relationship with the other person and in what capacity.

What did he break the ice with?

 

[BeExcellent]

What did he break the ice with?

He was out with a wingman & he asked me if I could take a photo of him with his friend using his phone. He did NOT ask for my number at that point, just that I take the picture. I did as requested.

Naturally I took that opportunity to ask him to use my phone to take a picture of my girlfriend and I. He obliged. Again no exchange of numbers.

From there conversation ensued, his wingman excused himself after a bit and he warmly invited me to another venue. Still no exchange of contact details. He then left for the other venue (where Latin dancing - a mutual interest) was going on.

My curiosity was peaked at that point. He had shown interest but also patience. He was warm but nonchalant about the invitation to the other venue. As it happened I had been wondering about good places to Latin dance in the area. So I dropped my girlfriend home (she lived very nearby) and met him out, where he invited me to join him when he saw I was there.

And he proceeded to monopolize my time & attention there, paying no mind to other women.

He then walked me to my car (the gentlemanly thing to do, lol) gave me a kiss and then got into the passenger seat under the guise of wanting to chat a bit more. We chatted a little, (no more kissing), I told him I found him quite sexy but that he was not going home with me. I was sweet about it, but firm.

Only then did he ask for my number. So I gave it to him. He then got out of my car, went back to the venue, and texted me 30 minutes later to see that I got home safely. I responded that I was safe at home & said nice to meet you & goodnight.

Our first date was 2 weeks later (due to my travel out of state.). He kept in touch, initiating every other day or so, to which I responded timely. He asked for (racy) photos, I refused politely but was warm & conversational.

To this day I've not sent him any racy photos. I think it's ill advised under any circumstances.

And he enjoys sharing the above story about how our initial meeting went. It followed much of the advice given around here.

 

[ohrein]

To this day I've not sent him any racy photos. I think it's ill advised under any circumstances.

Haha. I've been trying to get my very conservative gf to send me photos. She was an absolutely no way at first and I think I got her to the point where she was almost considering it but I let her off the hook. I think it's a terrible idea as well.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

He was out with a wingman & he asked me if I could take a photo of him with his friend using his phone. He did NOT ask for my number at that point, just that I take the picture. I did as requested.

Naturally I took that opportunity to ask him to use my phone to take a picture of my girlfriend and I. He obliged. Again no exchange of numbers.

From there conversation ensued, his wingman excused himself after a bit and he warmly invited me to another venue. Still no exchange of contact details. He then left for the other venue (where Latin dancing - a mutual interest) was going on.

My curiosity was peaked at that point. He had shown interest but also patience. He was warm but nonchalant about the invitation to the other venue. As it happened I had been wondering about good places to Latin dance in the area. So I dropped my girlfriend home (she lived very nearby) and met him out, where he invited me to join him when he saw I was there.

And he proceeded to monopolize my time & attention there, paying no mind to other women.

He then walked me to my car (the gentlemanly thing to do, lol) gave me a kiss and then got into the passenger seat under the guise of wanting to chat a bit more. We chatted a little, (no more kissing), I told him I found him quite sexy but that he was not going home with me. I was sweet about it, but firm.

Only then did he ask for my number. So I gave it to him. He then got out of my car, went back to the venue, and texted me 30 minutes later to see that I got home safely. I responded that I was safe at home & said nice to meet you & goodnight.

Our first date was 2 weeks later (due to my travel out of state.). He kept in touch, initiating every other day or so, to which I responded timely. He asked for (racy) photos, I refused politely but was warm & conversational.

To this day I've not sent him any racy photos. I think it's ill advised under any circumstances.

And he enjoys sharing the above story about how our initial meeting went. It followed much of the advice given around here.

I never understood why people ask for racy pictures after they've already slept with someone. Why would they need to see a picture at that point?

Remember the time I posted about a threesome with two girls from SA? I went over there, fvcked them both. Then, we were taking a break and they asked if I wanted them to strip for me. I'm like... We just had sex, why would I want you to put on clothes and strip for me?

 

[Von]

http://www.lapresse.ca/vivre/sexualite/201803/29/01-5159242-apprendre-a-seduire-ou-a-harceler.php

Here's an article in French about PUA Richard vidéo game.

It's a game review.

However, i want to get you guys attention on the 3 dating coach/PUA/Seduction coach commentaires at the bottom of the article.

One of the seduction coach is a WOMEN.

You know what she says: "Seduction coach for Women is booming in demand, there is a massive increase in Women seeking dating advice on how to pick guys/or be accessible" ...Most of our female clients become jaded with dating or dissapointed to the point they lost "confidence" and go to "date" with bad vibe (they go there with expectations that the date will suck).

the women goes to my women dating lessons to teach them how to look "Happier, less demanding" .

The women seeking our courses often find that "male" are intimidated by women.

...

So here guys the importance of game.. When women are seeking Dating coach to make them more "open/accessible" ... It means they looking for guy with GAME.

These girls might be alpha female, control freak, low quality etc etc... But notice: "They want to look approachable" ...

Only GAME will give you the "attitude" to take on their challenge.

LMS sure might get you the car to get to the bar... But it's GAME that will get you to do "the first move"

Interestingly, yesterday i went to the movies. I went to see "Player One" (fantastic movie)... And the movie had exactly a part on "game/lms" (a character is a gozilliontrillionaire and révérend as a god by humans. But he sucked with women and it's his BestFriend who ended up with the chick)

 

[BeExcellent]

Interestingly, yesterday i went to the movies. I went to see "Player One" (fantastic movie)... And the movie had exactly a part on "game/lms" (a character is a gozilliontrillionaire and révérend as a god by humans. But he sucked with women and it's his BestFriend who ended up with the chick)

That is a good movie. Took the children to see it a couple days ago. And that indeed was one of the fascinating themes.

You are at Randall Johnson levels of denial

Not at all. I go by actions, not words. His actions consistently demonstrate his interest. Words can be faked. Faking actions? Possible but much harder over time. Next weekend he is flying across the country to join me for the weekend at his own expense. And I would be back home anyway just a few days later...where he will collect me at the airport as has become his habit along the way (because of his preference - I'd be fine to Uber). Those are not things a casual fling does. He has money but not so much as to be an indiscriminate spender. So he is making choices, taking actions and investing in the relationship as it goes forward.

As long as that continues it tells me the right things. If his actions cease to support furthering things? Then all bets are off. And that goes both ways, obviously.