Even women admit its about LMS

[Roober]

More blue pill coping lol.

True stories...
You have a man with 12 billion, who loses 4 billion, then commits suicide...
You have another man with 20 billion who gives it all away and is described as one of the happiest people known...

Basing your success on MONEY is really no basis at all. It can all be taken away in an instant and it relies on the validation of others, also known as external validation. If you happen to study even the smallest amount of evolutionary psychology, you will also know that external validation is a feminine quality.

LMS is your game. So I am happy that you have game.

LMS is not everyone's game, but you are suggesting it should?

Now, don't confuse that for not working on LMS, each man should focus to make himself better in every way, but it has to start inside.

If your MONEY gets you women, power to you dude. You got Game!

I will second the unbanning. As long as he is not making personal attacks, he is good. Just tell him to keep his rants to a single thread! =D

 

[Spaz]

Haha...

Let's all be open minded and not too sensitive.

And we all can agree to disagree with him.

 

[ohrein]

Unbanned @Urbanyst , let him rant, it's harmless plus I find it amusing and it does keep discussion lively.

I don't think it is harmless. When he's telling young men you need looks and money to get a girl, ignoring the parts of game that have nothing to do with getting women like self worth, building a life you enjoy without women, etc, I think it has the potential to make some guys feel like they have no hope for their future. We all know LMS is important and that we should improve it but there's so much more to life and women than that.

I think his posts have the potential to be harmful and they're just self evidently untrue. We have guys here with high LMS who can't get an average girl. That negates everything he says yet he refuses to acknowledge it.

 

[Serenity]

One of the first things I learned when entering this space was not to listen to what women want in a man. That they don't know what they want until it's right in front of them.

It's provoking when some idiot tries to simplify it all down to LMS. None of those things have changed significantly in me before and after success. I made some efforts in those areas at first, I wore some better looking clothes, fixed my posture up and such. None of that made any difference with women. I had enough money to have a decent amount of disposable income, made more than most at my age. My status shouldn't have been a limiting factor with a good job and doing well in it.

What revolutionized me and brought success wasn't spending a vast amount of time in a gym or otherwise obsessing about looks. It wasn't selling my soul and working myself into misery trying to hoard a fortune. It wasn't trying to convince everyone that I'm the coolest guy around. All those are external, takes potentially a long time to achieve (if ever with such "not good enough" mentality) and are ultimately more about pleasing women than it is about pleasing oneself. What really made a massive difference was to focus on myself, how to handle myself in this world and most importantly how to thrive.

I don't give a sh!t about women thinking LMS is the most important things a man can have. They do fvck all to my happiness. Only a desperate chump would put his happiness aside and spend vast amounts of time trying to please women, by trying to go along with what they say they want. I want a woman that likes me as I am, not one that likes me because I warp myself into someone I hate. A heavy focus on LMS is exactly why chumps fail miserably at attracting women and especially forming any meaningful relationships with them. It's because they're miserable as fvck from working so hard for others, which definitely is a massive turn off.

Most women are unaware that the most important factor leading them to become attracted to a guy is that he's happy and fulfilled already, to a point where it is contagious. We should maximize happiness, not LMS. Not because we want to attract women, because that paradox would obviously work against us. We should do it because it will lead us to a good life, we should do it for ourselves. Women or not, happiness should not hinge on that condition, because that is to give them the power to decide our happiness by accepting or rejecting.

So @Urbanyst, what you preach is some blue pill sh!t poorly disguised as red pill teachings. It's a weak chump philosophy for guys willing to go to the end of the fvcking world just for some pvssy, it's not at all what red pill is about. So you go ahead and grind that LMS until you go to your grave, meanwhile I'll have some fun.

 

[Spaz]

I don't think it is harmless. When he's telling young men you need looks and money to get a girl, ignoring the parts of game that have nothing to do with getting women like self worth, building a life you enjoy without women, etc, I think it has the potential to make some guys feel like they have no hope for their future. We all know LMS is important and that we should improve it but there's so much more to life and women than that.

I think his posts have the potential to be harmful and they're just self evidently untrue. We have guys here with high LMS who can't get an average girl. That negates everything he says yet he refuses to acknowledge it.

@Urbanyst postings vs all the valid counter arguments = positive outcome.

@Urbanyst has his believes and so do the rest of us. What is being discussed here is a believe system and not fact. Believes can be disputed and put to the test.

That is why others here have responded to this thread to provide a counter arguement which in itself is healthy.

Those young man who will read this thread will then be able to decide for themselves and it's not your job nor mine to decide which course they should take in life.

Because;

LMS alone does work.

GAME alone does work.

Having both is ideal but not everyone can have both at the early stages of their lives.

I would like to think that we provide choices for people here to make and the freedom to choose, not dictate what's right and what's wrong.

 

[ohrein]

@Urbanyst postings vs all the valid counter arguments = positive outcome.

@Urbanyst has his believes and so do the rest of us. What is being discussed here is a believe system and not fact. Believes can be disputed and put to the test.

That is why others here have responded to this thread to provide a counter arguement which in itself is healthy.

Those young man who will read this thread will then be able to decide for themselves and it's not your job nor mine to decide which course they should take in life.

Because;

LMS alone does work.

GAME alone does work.

Having both is ideal but not everyone can have both at the early stages of their lives.

I would like to think that we provide choices for people here to make and the freedom to choose, not dictate what's right and what's wrong.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything.

Would you make the same argument if a flat earther came in and posted flat earth videos day after day? Is that constructive or useful or healthy discussion? Someone posting "game is a blue pill lie, LMS is all that matters, what I say is unquestionable" is not healthy discussion. I also don't think what's discussed here is a belief system at all, I think it's a long study with hundreds of results that have been combined into a fairly solid set of facts. Now, that's not to say there isn't variance, because there is, but the existence of variance doesn't negate the concept itself.

For example, women are hypergamous, there's no doubt. Go look at the MGTOW forums. Now, you could argue about the exact cause of hypergamy and whether it's biological and/or social, but we know it happens. Additionally, each individual woman will vary on how likely she is to act on that hypergamy, so there's variance, but the core concept remains solid. We also know that there are things that mitigate that chance, like LMS for example. But to reduce hypergamy and female nature down to purely LMS is ridiculous. It's just self-evidently a far more complex system, let alone from the reports from various people on here.

I've seen several suicidal posts on here and it's no joke to me. I've been that guy. It's important people understand they can be better than LMS and improve their lives. That's not up for debate. It's possible.

 

[Spaz]

When a woman is content and satisfied with you then hypergamy doesn't exist.

As such the theory of hypergamy is flawed and not fact.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything.

Would you make the same argument if a flat earther came in and posted flat earth videos day after day? Is that constructive or useful or healthy discussion? Someone posting "game is a blue pill lie, LMS is all that matters, what I say is unquestionable" is not healthy discussion. I also don't think what's discussed here is a belief system at all, I think it's a long study with hundreds of results that have been combined into a fairly solid set of facts. Now, that's not to say there isn't variance, because there is, but the existence of variance doesn't negate the concept itself.

For example, women are hypergamous, there's no doubt. Go look at the MGTOW forums. Now, you could argue about the exact cause of hypergamy and whether it's biological and social, but we know it happens. Additionally, each individual woman will vary on how likely she is to act on that hypergamy, so there's variance, but the core concept remains solid. We also know that there are things that mitigate that chance, like LMS for example. But to reduce hypergamy and female nature down to purely LMS is ridiculous. It's just self-evidently a far more complex system, let alone from the reports from various people on here.

I've seen several suicidal posts on here and it's no joke to me. I've been that guy. It's important people understand they can be better than LMS and improve their lives. That's not up for debate. It's possible.

Every single day, car accidents happened, people die or are injured. Did we ban the usage of cars?

You child is starting to learn cycling, he will get injured in his attempts to master cycling, it's part of the process of learning.

 

[Serenity]

@ohrein He has a point though. It is pretty harmless as long as Urbanyst gets bombarded with solid counter arguments and reacts childishly. In fact I believe it's useful as it's a good way get a sense of what the majority on here agrees on, because we're all posting our opinion in response to his provocative posts. In that sense I can see the good in it, although I strongly disagree with what he says AND how he says it.

 

[ohrein]

@Spaz @Grewd

Hmm, I suppose you both have a point. Perhaps I'm just a bit sensitive to it because as I said, I was lead down a pretty miserable path (although successful with women) pushing just LMS and lays. I suppose more information the better. You need to talk about what doesn't work to know that it doesn't work.

I concede. He shouldn't be banned and should be allowed to post.

 

[Serenity]

He shouldn't be banned and should be allowed to post.

Well, he does deserve a timeout. If I know the mods right it's probably a temporary ban anyways.

But yeah, a two sided discussion is usually more stimulating to the reader, they need to learn critical thinking anyways. I would be skeptical of this forum if it was just a pure echo chamber with mods banning anyone who doesn't agree with a defined idea. It's usually not the ideas people get banned for on here, it's aggressive use of personal attacks which prevents any useful discussion at all.

 

[Spaz]

LMS is a good stepping stone for many here to kick off their "career" in getting women.

Along the way through many rejections they will realise that although it has the pulling power it fails in its staying power.

That's when they will explore GAME or more to the point = Masculinity.

Masculinity is an art form by itself and I guess appropriate for another thread.

 

[devilkingx2]

He shouldn't be banned and should be allowed to post.

I'm pretty sure he was banned for spamming, flaming and refusing to contribute meaningfully. All of those things would get you banned anywhere.

He posted like 5 identical threads and constantly bumps some of them without adding anything new (spamming),

he's always arguing and insulting people (flaming),

and he said something like "it's not my job to tell you how to improve your LMS" essentially refusing to be constructive in any way, whilst constantly posting long videos no one wants to watch without his own analysis, input or summary both as OPs in threads and responses to users.

I don't think anyone wants him to stop posting, i think we all just want him to stop low effort sh!tposting. His posts were always the worst parts of his threads lol.

 

[devilkingx2]

I don't think it is harmless. When he's telling young men you need looks and money to get a girl, ignoring the parts of game that have nothing to do with getting women like self worth, building a life you enjoy without women, etc, I think it has the potential to make some guys feel like they have no hope for their future. We all know LMS is important and that we should improve it but there's so much more to life and women than that.

I think his posts have the potential to be harmful and they're just self evidently untrue. We have guys here with high LMS who can't get an average girl. That negates everything he says yet he refuses to acknowledge it.

The site that inspired elliot rodgers (PUA hate) was a very hopeless black pill place where men basically said that if you weren't rich and hot you were doomed to never ever do well with women forever. Basically the same BS urbanyst spouts bred Elliot rodgers

 

[Spaz]

circular reasoning

Nah, merely applied six sigma, nothing special really.

 

[sosousage]

I'm pretty sure he was banned for spamming, flaming and refusing to contribute meaningfully. All of those things would get you banned anywhere.

He posted like 5 identical threads and constantly bumps some of them without adding anything new (spamming),

he's always arguing and insulting people (flaming),

and he said something like "it's not my job to tell you how to improve your LMS" essentially refusing to be constructive in any way, whilst constantly posting long videos no one wants to watch without his own analysis, input or summary both as OPs in threads and responses to users.

I don't think anyone wants him to stop posting, i think we all just want him to stop low effort sh!tposting. His posts were always the worst parts of his threads lol.

wtf dawg you just doubleposted

 

[ohrein]

The site that inspired elliot rodgers (PUA hate) was a very hopeless black pill place where men basically said that if you weren't rich and hot you were doomed to never ever do well with women forever. Basically the same BS urbanyst spouts bred Elliot rodgers

Yes, I agree with you. Luckily this site is better than that. I think his posts have the potential to be harmful in a vacuum, but on here it gives us the chance to explain why men shouldn't go that route. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Hopefully a few men saw his posts and realized how wrong he was, which they wouldn't have if they hadn't existed. I had the same immediate reaction as you but I think @Grewd and @Spaz are right. It's better to have the conversation.

 

[Spaz]

Look back 1st into the past...

When most of you were tadpoles, just starting out getting girls in your teens, LMS was all you had. That's it.

You had no game, or very little of it.

From a mere tadpole some of you have transformed into something better. Others might be stuck in that tadpole frame or just starting out as a tadpole.

Hence the LMS rants.

It's from the social awkward teens that grew into adults and are just starting out.

Edit: Let them rant about LMS or other theory on getting women, there are others here who has played both end of the field to counter dispute and perhaps offer another solution.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Let’s be real here guys, if you talk to someone like how this dude writes his posts, you are bound to get your ass kicked in real life, or made fun of to the point of questioning whether there IS something wrong with you. You don’t patronize someone or mock them under the guise of ‘I didn’t say anything wrong’ just because it makes you feel better about yourself. That’s pathetic. It’s called tone. People can read it. It’s only a temporary ban too since it’s his first one. He will be back. And then several months from now he will be banned again, permanently. It’s a general trend for people who write like him.

 

[devilkingx2]

Yes, I agree with you. Luckily this site is better than that. I think his posts have the potential to be harmful in a vacuum, but on here it gives us the chance to explain why men shouldn't go that route. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Hopefully a few men saw his posts and realized how wrong he was, which they wouldn't have if they hadn't existed. I had the same immediate reaction as you but I think @Grewd and @Spaz are right. It's better to have the conversation.

I agree that the conversation is worth having, hopefully in like a month when he comes back he's willing to actually have a real discussion and conversation rather than lazy trolling