After how many denied escalation attempts you give up?
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So you are on a date with a girl, you escalate, she denies you, then you walk away from her? or do you wait till end of the date without further escalating (just talking)?
After she rejects you, you wrap it up and keep it moving. Don't waste time on dead leads.
What do you think about women who rejected u like that? You think they werent into you or they are just very slow and incompatible with you?
Don't think about it, they weren't interested so why even over think it?
That's the problem you see with guys posting here, they are chasing dead leads, over thinking, wondering what if and why? Get some self respect and move on to the next one. If there is no next one, work on your self until you have that abundance.
Well i do not chase dead leads. I once got blocked for escalating too much. I wonder if I really escalated too much and if i would take it slow then it would work or if she just wasnt into me
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Either way, you're not with them.
Maybe she wants some beta to go slow.
Maybe you're wearing a color shirt she doesn't like.
Etc. Etc.
Often when we get denied escalation, we think it was that she's not interested or incompatible. Most guys move on so as to not waste time.
For me, I say 2 max, sometimes I just do 1.
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The thing is, guys can next dead leads all day long so as to not become beta orbiters/ friends/ ego boosters, etc.
But what is the guy learning? Is something wrong with him? We can't wait to become Chad and Tyrone to meet and date women. We men have to make the first moves. We know you miss all the shots you don't take.
Men wonder where and how to improve themselves. We know there's a problem. But it needs to be identified in order to be fixed. It could be she wanted a beta and you were alpha, never gonna be an orbiter. Who knows?
Alas, find someone you can come in first place with. If you're not first with a girl, you're last.
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It is? I use to have their hand on my c0ck rubbing it within 20-30 minutes of meeting on a first date in the bar we were at...
Its not a big no-no, either they arent into you, you dont understand how to make the date flow properly from one stage to the next or you are making it awkward instead of smooth...
How to make it more smooth? Or flow properly?
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Well, that just takes practice...in my csee it took a LOT of practice. I was TERRIBLE with women starting out, but over 40 or 50 dates I started getting better and better, figured out what worked well, what didn't and then continuee to do what worked for me and dropped what didn't. Eventually i got to the point where it became like a cookie cutter operation.
We would get a drink to start out, playful banter back and forth, I'd make sure to notice something she was wearing and grab it and ask about it...during normal conversation...of see a ring or bracelet or earrings or necklace(that was my favorite) and grab it and be like "Oh...whats the story behind this?" Then she would go blah blah blah and I'd be like "Oh that's cool...I really like that..." And most tims they would smile and thank me and then we would just continue talking...
Get good at touching her for any reason during the course of conversation and make it seem like its just part of the normal flow of conversation and be confident with it...once you get good with that you can pretty much do whatever you want...grab her and kiss her...run your fingers through her hair...grab her hand and put it directly on your c0ck...and just do it as part of normal conversation like it's no big deal.
And if she balks at first you just laugh it off and keep talking...I used to like playing darts in between the small talk phase and the escalation phase it allows you to be next to each other in close proximity...I basically used that as a bridge.
The main thing is dont get discouraged just keep going on dates and when you realize youve been doing sonething for multiple dates and it hasnt worked just stop doing it and try something else...a lot of this is simply trial and error---you have to find out what works for you...what works for me might not work for you just like what works for you might not work for me.
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- Some girls operate slower than others, especially the more classy or traditional types.
- Some girls may not feel that comfortable yet.
- Some girls have gotten pumped and dumped by escalating too quickly, and so you wear the black eye for her not wanting to appear as a slut.
- Some girls might really like you and are nervous.
- Some girls are just not that interested in you.
Just because a girl does not escalate with you does not mean she doesn't like you.
My last two LTRs rejected my advances five times and three times on the first date.
If she says "Yes" to your date offer and shows up, then continue to escalate. There are no hard and fast rules in human relations. Be fluid in your modus operandi.
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Here's how I operate:
If I'm pretty certain she is a decent girl, has been easy to deal with, and exhibited no flakey behavior before the date then I'm not going to worry if she shuns my attempt at escalation on a first date. I'll simply stop and try again on the 2nd date for the reasons Guru listed. If they respect me, I respect them.
If she has showed flakey/questionable behavior before the date then she has dug her self a hole that will be tough to get out of. I don't really care about her feelings at this point. So that's when I set the date up close to where I live, with a plan to escalate far enough that it leads to sex that night. If I don't fuhk her on the first date, and think she will on the 2nd, then I will do a second. If I failed to fuhk her on the first date and think it will be too much work then I'm out. All they are worth to me once they piss me off with flakey behavior is a warm fuhk hole.
Had a girl about 2 years ago. Set a date up, then 2 days later she has family coming to town so needs to cancel. A week later we make plans again. This time
she doesn't show up and never bothered to text. I send her a text busting her balls in a professional/stern manner. Next day she replies and apologizes profusely and even calls me. Her excuse this time was she left her phone at work. Her story doesn't add up, I know the girl is a big time liar now.
I tell her I am going to be at Bar XYZlater that night and if she wants to stop in and buy me a few drinks she can. She promises she will be there. My intentions are
to have her buy my drinks and fuhk her. She showed up and I got us a table by the fire pit, started touching her, laid the charm on extra thick, kept pouring drinks down her, and 3 hours later she was in my bed. The End!
I ignored every text she sent afterwards, never spoke to her again. Dumb Biatch.
If I'm pretty certain she is a decent girl, has been easy to deal with, and exhibited no flakey behavior before the date then I'm not going to worry if she shuns my attempt at escalation on a first date. I'll simply stop and try again on the 2nd date for the reasons Guru listed. If they respect me, I respect them.
If she has showed flakey/questionable behavior before the date then she has dug her self a hole that will be tough to get out of. I don't really care about her feelings at this point. So that's when I set the date up close to where I live, with a plan to escalate far enough that it leads to sex that night. If I don't fuhk her on the first date, and think she will on the 2nd, then I will do a second. If I failed to fuhk her on the first date and think it will be too much work then I'm out. All they are worth to me once they piss me off with flakey behavior is a warm fuhk hole.
Had a girl about 2 years ago. Set a date up, then 2 days later she has family coming to town so needs to cancel. A week later we make plans again. This time
she doesn't show up and never bothered to text. I send her a text busting her balls in a professional/stern manner. Next day she replies and apologizes profusely and even calls me. Her excuse this time was she left her phone at work. Her story doesn't add up, I know the girl is a big time liar now.
I tell her I am going to be at Bar XYZlater that night and if she wants to stop in and buy me a few drinks she can. She promises she will be there. My intentions are
to have her buy my drinks and fuhk her. She showed up and I got us a table by the fire pit, started touching her, laid the charm on extra thick, kept pouring drinks down her, and 3 hours later she was in my bed. The End!
I ignored every text she sent afterwards, never spoke to her again. Dumb Biatch.
This is highly subjective.
Some girls r harder to crack due to their upbringing and it's not about you.
Personally I've had to escalate up to 7 - 10 times, about a month or 3 of effort for most of my LTR.
Those easy ones ends up as plates or ONS.
I guess it depends on what you are looking for at that particular moment in your life.
Quality women are hard to come by hence my patience to spend some time and effort on those.
Some girls r harder to crack due to their upbringing and it's not about you.
Personally I've had to escalate up to 7 - 10 times, about a month or 3 of effort for most of my LTR.
Those easy ones ends up as plates or ONS.
I guess it depends on what you are looking for at that particular moment in your life.
Quality women are hard to come by hence my patience to spend some time and effort on those.
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First date if I am interested I always go for the kiss. If she denies that I am done.
If she kisses on first date but denies the lay, I give her another chance.
Date two second chance, if she kissed on the first date, I purposely won't go for the lay because I want her to start to wonder where *I* stand with her and if MY interest level is drifting off. She is expecting me to try again and if I don't, that fvcks with her hamster and builds tension and suspense in her and that's a good thing.
By date three, I will try the lay again and if she doesn't accept by then, it's for sure over.
If she kisses on first date but denies the lay, I give her another chance.
Date two second chance, if she kissed on the first date, I purposely won't go for the lay because I want her to start to wonder where *I* stand with her and if MY interest level is drifting off. She is expecting me to try again and if I don't, that fvcks with her hamster and builds tension and suspense in her and that's a good thing.
By date three, I will try the lay again and if she doesn't accept by then, it's for sure over.
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Depends on your goals. Do you want an easy piece or a woman that respects herself enough, not to drop panties for every dude with a little bit of game? If you need to bust a nut, 1 strike she's out. Every man should have a few of these in rotation, while prospecting for better options. So long as a prospect is escelating and investing, she can buy a little more time and you can afford to be a little more patient, since pvssy is of no concern.