How hard do you try getting a girl before you just move on

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In the past i used to date coworkers so it was kinda easy, some talks here and there then a date and it works out, then i got into college nad started approaching girls online or face to face (girls who show a lot of interest and seemed to be flirting with me ) and i would message 2-3 times, gauge their interest and ask them out, it worked out .... tbh i dont really run after girls i am ready to initiate twice, maybe 3 times if shes really attractive but after third time if she doesnt iniate a conversation or anything i take that as disinterest and move on .

surprisingly when i do move on and see said girl a while later she has this look in her eye that says " why you stopped trying to get me" but i dont pay much attention to her anymore ... i also found out that some of the girls that are responsive but never initiate turn out taken, they are happy reciving but not giving ..

So what about you ? what are your rules ? Do you throw compliments around and chase a girl till she says yes or no or you actually wait to see some interest on her part
 

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I smash or I next. If she isn't putting out, I am spitting game at her friends, sister, mom.

In this gynocentric society, you cannot tell women what to do. With that said, I LEAD. SHE FOLLOWS or NEXT!

I set boundaries. I don't date low sex drive/low libido. I don't date with kids. If she is in a toxic mood, she has out stayed her welcome.

I drop invites, she comes or I next her. Then, more plate spinning. Some will drop. Others will spin. You repeat. All the while your $$$$$$$ ^ increases, your lifestyle, resources, game, business etc.

If you get the girl, you are playing into the female imperative 99%. If you do a LTR, she is building a nest, and you are following. If she is past her prime, SMV has cratered or nearly, if she is on the tail end of her 20s, YOU AREN'T DOING IT RIGHT.
 
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The girl I went on that SA date 20 days ago with, I think I messaged her 4-5 times before she responded. After she responded (favorably), I told her I wasn't trying to harass her, but that sometimes girls don't respond until you send them a few messages.

Makes me wonder if I'd be more successful if I was persistent.
 

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first hard rejection I eject forever

heavy signs of disinterest multiple times in a row? I eject

flakiness of any kind? eject

etc.

it's unlikely she'll change her mind if she doesn't like you so don't waste too much time or effort
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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I smash or I next. If she isn't putting out, I am spitting game at her friends, sister, mom.

In this gynocentric society, you cannot tell women what to do. With that said, I LEAD. SHE FOLLOWS or NEXT!

I set boundaries. I don't date low sex drive/low libido. I don't date with kids. If she is in a toxic mood, she has out stayed her welcome.

I drop invites, she comes or I next her. Then, more plate spinning. Some will drop. Others will spin. You repeat. All the while your $$$$$$$ ^ increases, your lifestyle, resources, game, business etc.

If you get the girl, you are playing into the female imperative 99%. If you do a LTR, she is building a nest, and you are following. If she is past her prime, SMV has cratered or nearly, if she is on the tail end of her 20s, YOU AREN'T DOING IT RIGHT.
Love this post.
 

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The girl I went on that SA date 20 days ago with, I think I messaged her 4-5 times before she responded. After she responded (favorably), I told her I wasn't trying to harass her, but that sometimes girls don't respond until you send them a few messages.

Makes me wonder if I'd be more successful if I was persistent.
persistence only works with women who are going out of their way to manipulate/toy with you, generally if she likes you she won't run and expect you to chase
 

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The girl I went on that SA date 20 days ago with, I think I messaged her 4-5 times before she responded. After she responded (favorably), I told her I wasn't trying to harass her, but that sometimes girls don't respond until you send them a few messages.

Makes me wonder if I'd be more successful if I was persistent.

idk man it works with some men but i cant bring myself to text a girl more than once without an asnwer
 

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With current day mainstream culture, social norms and law anything less than an enthusiastic yes its a red light.

I take for granted that attraction needs few seconds to rise not hours of dates, men and women need only few seconds to decide if they want to be intimate or not.

No amount of game no matter how tight is gonna turn an uninterested girl or a lukewarm one into a great ride at least in my experience.

Only exceptions are blue pilled girls (the few left ) which genuinely take time despite being interested because they really think its the way to do due to education.

Even if they take time to get intimate they surely dont piss you off, disrespect you or send mixed signals while they are always up to meet.

I share with you a couple of benchmarks I use.

The first one is frequency and lengh of message they send, the time they take to answer and the amount of work they put in the answer.

The second one is the physical contact one, wheter is try to hold their hand or get physically closer than normal, if they are fine with that and reciprocate its a good sign.
 

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The girl I went on that SA date 20 days ago with, I think I messaged her 4-5 times before she responded. After she responded (favorably), I told her I wasn't trying to harass her, but that sometimes girls don't respond until you send them a few messages.

Makes me wonder if I'd be more successful if I was persistent.
Ask her what day of the month the rent is due. :cool:
 

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With current day mainstream culture, social norms and law anything less than an enthusiastic yes its a red light.

I take for granted that attraction needs few seconds to rise not hours of dates, men and women need only few seconds to decide if they want to be intimate or not.

No amount of game no matter how tight is gonna turn an uninterested girl or a lukewarm one into a great ride at least in my experience.

Only exceptions are blue pilled girls (the few left ) which genuinely take time despite being interested because they really think its the way to do due to education.

Even if they take time to get intimate they surely dont piss you off, disrespect you or send mixed signals while they are always up to meet.

I share with you a couple of benchmarks I use.

The first one is frequency and lengh of message they send, the time they take to answer and the amount of work they put in the answer.

The second one is the physical contact one, wheter is try to hold their hand or get physically closer than normal, if they are fine with that and reciprocate its a good sign.
There is some great stuff in this post ^^^

As a dude you have to look at a couple of different things. But whatever you are looking at you have to go by ACTIONS, nothing more, nothing less. I'd say the first thing you have to look at is RESPONSIVENESS. And you can look at that whether you are in person, over the phone, over text...the communication medium doesn't really matter...you just have to know what is responsive in a certain medium. You are the man. Therefore (according to the law of the jungle, historically) you do the hunting. When you see or meet a woman you are interested in you have to have some sort of interaction so she knows you exist. IRL she may have already smiled at you, or looked and looked away or something of that sort, and if you are paying attention that can be seen as an IOI and a greenlight to approach. Maybe she pings you first in online dating. All that does is make your job easier...but you as the man still have the man's role.

However you interact, you look at how she responds to you. A woman who likes you will be receptive, encouraging, flirty (style of flirting will vary based on personality and experience level) and you will get essentially a (+) response. It's easiest and most obvious to gauge IRL, so where some guys get mixed up is after they get the number etc. and they move to a remote communication form. Over text responsiveness is still the key. She may take several hours or a day to respond (she might have a life - be in class - have a business trip - etc. etc. etc.) but if she responds warmly, is responsive and encouraging and positive? That is interest. So act accordingly and ask her out. Anything other than a "yes" or a "That doesn't work, but this does" type response suggests low or no interest.

Don't analyze anything. If she says no, or maybe, she's low interest. If she seemed high interest before and seems low interest now? Who cares why...it is what it is. Give it one more shot the next week if you want to, otherwise let it go.

The girls you want are going to be to some degree or another the girls some other guy wants. This is where you have to decide about how persistent you want to be. The most sought after girls have the most options, and their options are dynamic, changing all the time. They meet various men, they may go out on various dates, they drop certain men, certain men drop them, it's a fast moving landscape. So it's unreasonable to assume that you hit it off really well at a party on Saturday night and you wait until the next Thursday to contact her, that she will be available. She's already got plans or another date by then.

If you meet a really traditionally minded girl, they are rarely going to initiate, certainly not the first time. The "Blue Pill" girls are going to expect a man to reach out MOST of the time, and they are going to gauge the man's interest based on his action of reaching out. They expect the man to take the lead, do the asking, and do the initiation and make many of the decisions. These women can look like low interest, but the key will be responsiveness. If you lead, ask, initiate, and she is responsive? She likes you. So keep going. Traditional women will be responsive, receptive and warm...although they may pace the relationship and slow things down regarding escalation. But they won't confuse you as to whether they like you. They may frustrate you depending on what you want sexually and how soon, but they won't confuse you.

I've been dating someone for 6 months. He contacts me first 90% to 95% of the time. Still. He texts good morning, he calls, he pings me on FB, he asks me out (and he makes lots of the plans for what we are going to do and then tells me what we will be doing) without me prodding him at all. What do I do? I respond by saying "Yes", by being warm and enthusiastic, by listening, by appreciating, by encouraging, and by enjoying him, our time together and then by expressing appreciation and gratitude for his efforts. I know by his actions that he is interested in me; he knows by my responses that I am interested in him.
 

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If she likes you, you can literally treat her like sh!t and she'll usually like you even more.

If she dislikes you (dislike is any feeling other than strongly like), you could be the Pope's Purple Pimp master, and she still won't like you.

It's black or white.
 

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If she likes you, you can literally treat her like sh!t and she'll usually like you even more.

If she dislikes you (dislike is any feeling other than strongly like), you could be the Pope's Purple Pimp master, and she still won't like you.

It's black or white.
I believe that as well, i treated girls like **** before but they never hated me on the contrary were still warm and liked me ... on the other hand i tried to understand why when i was nice to girls that showed interest in me they at some pointed started acting cold and distant for no apparent reason ... and the results were as expected : if she liked me bfore its hard to dislike me and takes something really big to make her hate me
on the other hand if i was just attractive to her and she never really had any kind of feelings involved then the wrong look could make her dislike me
 

If you want to talk, talk to your friends. If you want a girl to like you, listen to her, ask questions, and act like you are on the edge of your seat.

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The simplest metric I've found useful is: Is she putting in the same level of effort as I am?

If the answer is no, or "sort of, sometimes" I now just forget it completely and move on.

Often by just disappearing a bit she'll get more interested and start chasing you whereas if you keep going heromode and working your butt off to make an impression you just become Ego-Feeding Orbiter #5048. And if she doesn't chase you, who cares? Obviously she was yanking your chain for whatever reason.

Girls who are interested and not into BS games will be friendly, really easy to chat to (because they'll be making an effort to keep the conversation going) and they'll show you affection without requiring your constant attention. You'll normally feel a "Woah, she likes me!" feeling that's unmistakable.

I once had a girl bring me a big lump of a cake she'd baked at home when I was at work, without me asking or even speaking to her for a couple of weeks. It was genuinely kind and nice, and it made me realise that girls like that are the people I want to be around, not women who expect a 10%:90% woman:man effort split.

On the other hand lots of girls (I'd even say most girls when you're dating in your twenties) are just looking to stroke their egos, get their Princess Complex fulfilled and turn you into their little pet. Moving on as soon as you identify that they're not making effort is the key to avoiding all that nonsense and getting to the good women.
 

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tbh i dont really run after girls i am ready to initiate twice, maybe 3 times if shes really attractive but after third time if she doesnt iniate a conversation or anything i take that as disinterest and move on .
Not initiating on its own isn't enough for a next but combined with other things like flakiness, "busy-ness", slow responses, not accepting date offers, etc. It's low/no interest and a next is justified
 

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Don't analyze anything. If she says no, or maybe, she's low interest. If she seemed high interest before and seems low interest now? Who cares why...it is what it is. Give it one more shot the next week if you want to, otherwise let it go.
This is the only part i disagree with, as a man it's our business to self improve and enhance our screening processes

I think it's best to analyze and determine two things:

1. Did i make any major mistakes to avoid in the future? (too clingy, too needy, too crass/crude, too much of an azzhole, too much of a player/womanizer, too much of a wimp/coward/pushover, etc.)

2. Is there a way i could've seen this coming? (learn to spot a lesbian, learn to spot an attention wh0re, learn to spot a girl committed to her bf, learn to spot a girl just being friendly/who already friendzoned you, etc.)

if something you do causes girls to lose interest, you gotta figure that out so you can stop doing it. But if it's something with the girl, you can learn to recognize it and avoid those girls.
 

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I give up pretty easily.

Used to be a pandering AFC. I realized that “persistence” is for chumps. She’s either begging for my c0ck or she’s not. If she’s not, I don’t put in the effort. Women have WAY too many options these days. Going for women who aren’t interested in you makes you feel like shyt and lowers your SMV.
 

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Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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