Looks v game

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I have this crazy belief that looks don’t matter for men when picking up women, only the social and PUA skills or the ‘game’ that determine success with women. This belief has been internalised in me for years idk by who but I really wanna set my mind straight and be more realistic and opportunistic.

What ratio of looks/game do you guys think determines success with quality girls?
 

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I have this crazy belief that looks don’t matter for men when picking up women, only the social and PUA skills or the ‘game’ that determine success with women. This belief has been internalised in me for years idk by who but I really wanna set my mind straight and be more realistic and opportunistic.

What ratio of looks/game do you guys think determines success with quality girls?
Without looks, she will ignore the guy or shut him down before he has a chance to run any game. Or if the guy’s looks are so so, she will at best downgrade him to a possible LTR provider guy and reject him for a ONS or casual sex arrangement. Or the guy becomes the dancing monkey free entertainment, ie a form of friendzone.

On the other hand, a good looking guy with no game will miss solid opportunities.

So it’s not that looks are more important than game per se, it’s that they come FIRST.
 

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Looks open. Game closes.
Agreed. You can increase attraction over time spent with a chick but you cannot create it initially. It is there or it is not.

I dont use "game". I use my fun, outgoing, spontaneous and DIRECT personality once there has been mutual attraction clearly established.

I am so direct with chicks that most betas would cringe if they heard me talking to a chick that was into me. Doesnt matter if its the first date, 5th date, etc.

If I WANT her, I GO AFTER HER by stating what I want and what my intentions are with her.. Period.

Last year I was out with a chick (first date) and we were totally vibing. Back and forth kino that intensified several drinks into the date. She asked me why I was single and I told her that I am hard to catch, but I can recognize something I want when I see it. She then asked me what I wanted with her and I looked her right in the eyes and said "I want to fvck you passionately and hard for the next few hours". Away we went.

Being direct in what your intentions are will FAR outweigh dancing around the subject of sleeping with a chick. I have never had one get offended, only had a few tell me that "we need more time around each other FIRST" (anti-sloot defense which is easy to overcome).

That being said, a woman will be drawn to your looks (initial attraction), addicted to your fun, outgoing personality and will melt like butter when you are direct in your close (when used properly and the right timing) and have already decided that you are outcome indifferent......you are going for what you want and will accept the outcome either way as it has no bearing to your value or self esteem if you dont pull it off.
 

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Sounds a lot like what I do, and I agree it really isn't "game" as it's just a natural approach to things. But I don't know what else to call it when referring to it and I don't want to type out several paragraphs to describe it. So much easier to just say "game".
I would consider it "game" when someone is learning how to successfully interact with women. Many times it comes across as a used car salesman pitch.

I have been blessed with an outgoing, social, talkative personality that comes across naturally and not pushy, thats why I dont consider it game. I just think I have the personality that most men would love to have when interacting with women, on top of an outcome indifferent mindset that works for me.

I am great with women in person, over the phone, etc. My weakness if you will is texting. So over the past couple of years I have solved that problem by texting as little as possible with women but still have the same mindset through text. I make sure that I leave conversations on a high note or simply build up tension and then wait a few hours to return to the texting convo lol.
 

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Its all relative to your own looks. A guy that is a 9 doesn't need all that game and status. A guy that is a 6 will need way more game and status. Just look at rich old white men with hot younger women. They don't have looks, some might have game, but they all have status and MONEY.

I'd consider myself slightly above average looks(7-ish). But I'm not attractive enough for my looks to carry the day. However I've got superior skills when it comes
to getting in 1 on 1 conversations with some depth and connecting with a female. Laugh all you want, but I developed that skill conversing with strippers over the
years.:p Every girl that sat on my lap was a new opportunity to improve my conversation skills. I credit it to my success with first dates.

In recent times I've gotten away from the bar scene and worked on infiltrating a local social circle and after 1.5yrs its finally paid off. Now that I'm "in", I get approached by those women all the time. It takes zero effort on my part. They initiate every thing. The difference here is they have witnessed my personality and I also have an attractive female cousin in that same circle that says good things about me. This takes little game and its like shooting fish in a barrel. Patience is the #1 requirement.
 
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Having always had looks and having spent the last 2.5 years consciously developing game--and being friends with naturals who didn’t at all look the part before that--I can confidently say that Game > Looks. Looks, at best, will get you some freebies sporadically--usually with girls that are so-so, will get you on the radar with Cluster B’s and girls in need of validation (you’re good ornamentation lol), will get you IOIs. But put a reserved good looking guy in a room with someone charismatic, who pushes the right buttons, who is loud, dominant, etc. & the good looking guy becomes pretty much invisible.

That’s not to say looks don’t matter; they definitely help--optimize them & forget them; but if you can only choose one, choose Game. Looks provide a higher floor; Game provides a much higher ceiling.
 

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Everything is on a sliding scale. Think of an equalizer on a stereo. You have your bass, your treble and your mid-range. For the sound quality you want, you adjust the components as you wish to optimize them for your listening experience.

Better looking men might have more weight in the looks department, and need less personality department (game) to be successful. Men who are less blessed in the looks department can potentially compensate by having their style on point and by getting into shape by working out and taking care of their body, and so forth.

Appearance (however that manifests itself) and presentation (confidence/body language/non-verbal communication) is what opens the door by triggering attraction. So that opens the door initially. Then the personality components (game, ambition, congruence) increase the attraction. For guys with very good personalities the "game" portion can actually neutralize the importance of looks.

Even without stellar looks style, body posture and "game" can create attraction. Similarly a great looking guy can come off as boring or a dud or stuffy or socially inept such that he wipes out the advantage you'd expect his looks to grant him.

So its really the combination of all these things taken together that creates attraction. Men should always be striving to maximize where ever they can because that creates more opportunity, more choice, and greater ability to attract the sort of woman you really want as opposed to what you can get.
 

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Looks open. Game closes.
^^^^This.

Also the longer you know a woman the less looks matter and the more other facets of your personality matter...this is how fat/ugly dudes end up with dimers most times...they have known her for a while and she was attracted to other things than his looks...

It all starts with looks tho if you are attempting to pick up random women tho...
 

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Last year I was out with a chick (first date) and we were totally vibing. Back and forth kino that intensified several drinks into the date. She asked me why I was single and I told her that I am hard to catch, but I can recognize something I want when I see it. She then asked me what I wanted with her and I looked her right in the eyes and said "I want to fvck you passionately and hard for the next few hours". Away we went.
Wow. I said the exact same thing to a chick (first date) where we were totally vibing. Back and forth kino that intensified several drinks into date. She asked me what I wanted with her and I looked her right in the eyes and said "I want to fvck you passionately and hard for the next few hours". She then called the Police and I spent the night in jail.

Maybe it was the way you said it?


Being direct in what your intentions are will FAR outweigh dancing around the subject of sleeping with a chick. I have never had one get offended
After attraction and flirting and kino and vibing, I always state my intentions and they ALWAYS get offended. If I take it slow and beat around the bush, it builds up sexual tension.

Maybe I need gain a few inches in height, then if I'm DIRECT they won't be offended.
 

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Looks make the initial approach easier and also give you more leeway in terms of what is "acceptable" due to some rather silly double standards. I've seen "hot" guys casually get away with outrageous physical stuff very early on in seeing someone that fat weird looking guys would be immediately be rejected for trying.

On the other hand a guy with looks but zero personality or game is going to do well with less intelligent women but fail utterly with more experienced and smarter women.

Also I think if you have a lot of skill with women, it makes up for looks. There are guys out there who aren't good looking but girls absolutely love them because they're confident and very easy to talk to.
 
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Ha. You want me to dispute a poll of 50 year old women and 80's Coke commercials over something I've never disagreed with.

I've never said LMS doesn't matter. I've only said that there are times when leading with money and/or status isn't a smart move when your goal is to screen for quality women. If you had either one, you would have learned this already. You obviously have not.

The more you talk, the more I can see what you're hiding. Keep going.
Personality beats L, M, and S.

But you might have to have L, M, or S to get in the door.

Whether or not these girls are sitting home playing with cats or smoking pot is a different story.
 

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Bad looks + good game = no success (the hunchback of notre dame didn't get the girl remember? And he's a hero!)

No game + good looks = no success (see this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/most-obvious-come-on-that-was-missed.13316/ )

Average looks + good game = great success

Average game + good looks = great success

Good game + good looks = wtf hacker turn off god mode/admin commands or I'm calling agent smith

In conclusion, you need both to at least an average extent, but It doesn't really matter which ones you have
 

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^^^^This.

Also the longer you know a woman the less looks matter and the more other facets of your personality matter...this is how fat/ugly dudes end up with dimers most times...they have known her for a while and she was attracted to other things than his looks...

It all starts with looks tho if you are attempting to pick up random women tho...
Theres another reason a "dime" might want to go with a not so handsome guy... The attention, it ensures she will get ALL of the visual attention. With a handsome cad, it's competition for the same space...
 

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Bad looks + good game = no success (the hunchback of notre dame didn't get the girl remember? And he's a hero!)
The hunchback gave his power away. He should have DHV'd more and acted like a challenge. Maybe given a false time constraint:
"Look, I know I just saved you from being hanged, but I have to get back to my friends. Feel free to hang around the church and enjoy the sanctuary".
 

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Theres another reason a "dime" might want to go with a not so handsome guy... The attention, it ensures she will get ALL of the visual attention. With a handsome cad, it's competition for the same space...
That's why you hear women say they hate it when a guy looks better than they do.
 

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I have this crazy belief that looks don’t matter for men when picking up women, only the social and PUA skills or the ‘game’ that determine success with women. This belief has been internalised in me for years idk by who but I really wanna set my mind straight and be more realistic and opportunistic.

What ratio of looks/game do you guys think determines success with quality girls?
You are absolutely retarded or low functioning autistic.

My mate is a model. He pulls models, pageant winners, actresses etc. I am not even talking big time. I am talking dude has did ads, background of scenes in small budget shows, some tv, movies. I am not even talking international model or A list actor.

You've bought into the pua jargon with wishful thinking. Yes, there is the anomaly male who despite being a deviation below has pulled a woman or gf that is above himself.

Yeah bro. You're a pimp man. Looks don't matter. Give me millions of dollars and you can be a stud too. ;) ;)
 
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