do you think the dating scene overall favors men?

[devilkingx2]

The dating market favors anyone HIGH VALUE.

Women have a shorter window to be HIGH VALUE than men do. So in that way.. it favor men. Women are mostly f*cked once they lose their looks or youth. After men lose their looks they can use MONEY and STATUS to prolong their high value.

So..

interestingly a woman with money can indefinitely prolong her looks but it gets increasingly expensive (I think most of us would still smash jennifer aniston even though she's 40+ now), so in that way it works for women too

 

[Urbanyst]

interestingly a woman with money can indefinitely prolong her looks but it gets increasingly expensive (I think most of us would still smash jennifer aniston even though she's 40+ now), so in that way it works for women too

Women can't be sexy past 50 no matter what they do. With a few RARE exceptions (Marisa Tomei).

Also most women don't have celebrity MONEY to prolong their looks dramatically. So its almost a moot point lol.

 

[BeExcellent]

The dating market favors anyone HIGH VALUE.

Precisely what I was saying earlier in this thread.

Women have a shorter window to be HIGH VALUE than men do. So in that way.. it favor men. Women are mostly f*cked once they lose their looks or youth. After men lose their looks they can use MONEY and STATUS to prolong their high value.

The other side if this coin is that men who never amount to anything in life (many men fall into this category) are just as f*cked with regard to choice in the marketplace as "post wall" women (nevermind the poor girls who were ugly to start with). By the time a man is in his 30s he ought to be well on his way to accomplishing something in life. Women will no longer give guys the pass you get while in university or even in your 20s. By the 30s men are expected to have some actual tangible results to show for in life. Men who do? They have lots of choices, just as beautiful women do. Obviously the good news is that a man can improve his results in life much more easily than a woman can improve her looks (which are largely genetically determined). But its always a sliding scale and its never as binary as some here would have you believe.

Just this weekend I had a discussion with the bf about the fact that beauty, in fact, is NOT everything. But men who do not have lots of experience with really hot women are not going to believe that statement. Rather they are going to think looks are the ONLY thing...that is until they date enough beautiful women who have never had to develop anything besides looks, who may be emotionally unstable, needy, immature and unable to hold a stimulating conversation.

The whole dating marketplace is, has always been, and will continue to be, self-sorting. Highest value individuals will continually have the most choice as they always have since forever. And what constitutes HIGH VALUE is always to some degree subjective...just as attraction itself is subjective.

Women can't be sexy past 50 no matter what they do.

This is a null argument. For every Cindy Crawford, Marissa Tomei, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Anniston, Sophia Vergara, Iman, Jennifer Lopez (these women are all approaching or already past 50 - and are still considered hot) and etc. there are any number of non famous women who look just as great. Are they rare? Of course they are when you compare to the billions on women on Earth...just like successful men are relatively rare too.

So I hold the view that the market favors VALUE. Always has...always will.

 

[Urbanyst]

Just this weekend I had a discussion with the bf about the fact that beauty, in fact, is NOT everything. But men who do not have lots of experience with really hot women are not going to believe that statement. Rather they are going to think looks are the ONLY thing...that is until they date enough beautiful women who have never had to develop anything besides looks, who may be emotionally unstable, needy, immature and unable to hold a stimulating conversation.

Well I have a lot of experience with "beautiful women" and I can tell you they are generally awful people just like most other types of women. Only they are HIGH VALUE. So its easier to put up with lol.

Problem is once you start sleeping with attractive women, its very hard to go back without feeling like you're settling. I need a woman to look good in order to be SEXUALLY attracted to her. Thinking a woman can be ugly or a FAT ass and somehow overcome this with "other qualities" like her personality is very blue pill.

You also can't look at the behavior of DESPERATE men as an indicator that low VALUE women are somehow attractive lol.

 

[devilkingx2]

Women can't be sexy past 50 no matter what they do. With a few RARE exceptions (Marisa Tomei).

Also most women don't have celebrity MONEY to prolong their looks dramatically. So its almost a moot point lol.

well to be fair you don't necessarily need millions of dollars, six figures should do just fine, isn't 6-7 figures what you're referring to when you talk about money?

there are any number of non famous women who look just as great.

yeah but none of them are non-rich and the money matters more than the fame for that particular thing

 

[nismo-4]

The men that it favors is the muscular alpha multimillionaires.

Also, if it favored men, why the hell do these boards exist? Ever heard of a woman who doesn't get hit on or commit suicide because a man dumped her? I sure haven't.

I sure heard of men who killed themselves because they got dumped. All women have exes and a man in their life in some capacity. Not all men have a woman in their life though.

The bottom 90% are either beta friends or totally avoided.

 

[Urbanyst]

The men that it favors is the muscular alpha multimillionaires.

Also, if it favored men, why the hell do these boards exist? Ever heard of a woman who doesn't get hit on or commit suicide because a man dumped her? I sure haven't.

I sure heard of men who killed themselves because they got dumped. All women have exes and a man in their life in some capacity. Not all men have a woman in their life though.

The bottom 90% are either beta friends or totally avoided.

That's why guys need to focus on making as much MONEY as they can.

Get that nice lifestyle. Travel. Have a ball. Don't kill yourself over these hoes.

Today's average woman is emotionally abusive towards men and a sh*t person. That's why they respond so well to the men who treat them like the trash they are. I feel for the guys who let these hoes push them to the breaking point of suicide. But it shows you how emotionally abusive women can be. Guys have no tools to fight back because all the laws are designed to protect women. You can't even SHAME a woman without being called some kind of misogynist lol.

Your best defense is RED PILL knowledge. At least you know what you're getting into this way and you can read situations with women much better.

 

[zekko]

Just this weekend I had a discussion with the bf about the fact that beauty, in fact, is NOT everything. But men who do not have lots of experience with really hot women are not going to believe that statement.

Speaking about LTRs here: No matter how good looking she is, at some point the novelty is going to wear off. So it helps a lot if you actually like her.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Just this weekend I had a discussion with the bf about the fact that beauty, in fact, is NOT everything. But men who do not have lots of experience with really hot women are not going to believe that statement. Rather they are going to think looks are the ONLY thing...that is until they date enough beautiful women who have never had to develop anything besides looks, who may be emotionally unstable, needy, immature and unable to hold a stimulating conversation.

I'll take a kinky nympho cougar over a boring young beauty queen any day.

 

[BeExcellent]

Speaking about LTRs here: No matter how good looking she is, at some point the novelty is going to wear off. So it helps a lot if you actually like her.

Agree. Was taking care of some errands for the kids with the ex husband yesterday. At one of the stores we went through a video of Taylor Swift was playing. My ex just shook his head. I inquired why was he shaking his head. He said "She reminds me of a real life Harley Quinn. A whole lot of pretty wrapped up in a WHOLE lot of crazy...Pass" and that amused us both quite a bit.

One of the things the BF asked me recently was this: "Have you ever dated anyone you just really didn't like as a person?" and I said No. Why would I do that? That sounds awful...and as I was responding it struck me what he was saying...how he has dated women who were hot and/or good in bed but who he couldn't stand as people.

Totally foreign concept to me...but apparently men do this with some frequency.

 

[devilkingx2]

Also, if it favored men, why the hell do these boards exist?

just because one side has an advantage doesn't mean no effort is needed lol

Ever heard of a woman who doesn't get hit on

I know a girl who celebrated being cat called because it never happens to her

or commit suicide because a man dumped her? I sure haven't.

this sort of happens in romeo and juliet lol

 

[devilkingx2]

One of the things the BF asked me recently was this: "Have you ever dated anyone you just really didn't like as a person?" and I said No. Why would I do that? That sounds awful...and as I was responding it struck me what he was saying...how he has dated women who were hot and/or good in bed but who he couldn't stand as people.

Totally foreign concept to me...but apparently men do this with some frequency.

usually you do like her and then you stop liking the main thing you liked about her and there's nothing else/left

the female equivalent is when the guy you mostly like for money/status loses his job or for his looks/muscles starts getting fat then you may end up realizing that all the other stuff you liked about them was fluff/window dressing you don't really give a **** about

 

[Urbanyst]

Speaking about LTRs here: No matter how good looking she is, at some point the novelty is going to wear off. So it helps a lot if you actually like her.

Too bad a lot of women don't understand this lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

usually you do like her and then you stop liking the main thing you liked about her and there's nothing else/left

the female equivalent is when the guy you mostly like for money/status loses his job or for his looks/muscles starts getting fat then you may end up realizing that all the other stuff you liked about them was fluff/window dressing you don't really give a **** about

Because the things that make you SEXUALLY attracted to someone are totally separate from the things that make you LIKE or LOVE someone as a person.

Most people will never find all in one.

 

[The Duke]

One of the things the BF asked me recently was this: "Have you ever dated anyone you just really didn't like as a person?" and I said No. Why would I do that? That sounds awful...and as I was responding it struck me what he was saying...how he has dated women who were hot and/or good in bed but who he couldn't stand as people.

Totally foreign concept to me...but apparently men do this with some frequency.

lol, well of course some of us do. Men are very visual, some more than others. Its why men like p0rn, and women don't. I've never dated any girl I couldn't stand, but I've had a few I had little to no connection to their personality or the words that came out of their mouth. They did have nice bodies and pretty faces that I enjoyed tremendously for a while! Shame on me for giving into my instincts.

Its probably a good thing that men and women have different approaches when it comes to mate selection. It kind of balances it all out. I could never fall for a woman that I didn't find attractive.

 

[sosousage]

dating sites are joke and they along with social media interfere with real life, that means if you approach young girl on the street theres 40% chance shes on tinder, entitled, with 100s of messages and men ready to travel hours to fuvk her. there are probably girls that live on their own and they pick one guy per day for a hookup then inviting him lol

I switch to gaymode sometimes and I get 100s of messages in couple days, which means my pics are good, but women dont think so, too many males

 

[BeExcellent]

I need a woman to look good in order to be SEXUALLY attracted to her.

Of course. Nobody is debating that. The problem seems to be you do not see the subset of women who are both hot and pleasant to be around. Many hot women are emotionally immature demanding princess syndrome types who never were taught to emphasize anything other than their appearance.

So when you settle for those (the looks only group) you have the resultant opportunity cost of missing out on the women who are both pretty/hot/attractive (however you want to define physically appealing) AND nice/sweet/good personality/smart etc., and this will skew you viewpoint because you won't believe hot women who are also sweet/nice/smart etc. exist.

Thinking a woman can be ugly or a FAT ass and somehow overcome this with "other qualities" like her personality is very blue pill.

That isn't what I think at all. Men are visual and men are sexual. Women need to understand this through and through. There is no excuse for a good looking woman who gets lazy and lets herself go. Ever.
That in my opinion is a disservice to her man, and an embarrassment to herself. But very few women make the effort required (regular work out regimen, conscientious diet, fashionable clothing and accessories) year in and year out for decades to maintain beauty and sex appeal. Those who do? They have men who are proud to be with them and if they are single? They have choices.

You also can't look at the behavior of DESPERATE men as an indicator that low VALUE women are somehow attractive lol.

Of course not. I'm talking about HIGH VALUE men.

Men are very visual, some more than others. Its why men like p0rn, and women don't. I've never dated any girl I couldn't stand, but I've had a few I had little to no connection to their personality or the words that came out of their mouth. They did have nice bodies and pretty faces that I enjoyed tremendously for a while! Shame on me for giving into my instincts.

It's not a shaming thing at all, lol. I've always come to the dating environment from a place of a certain baseline of required characteristics or I'm not going out with a man (or not going out with him a second time) and those characteristics are good looking/ambitious-successful/dynamic personality/sexually attractive. In other words I don't go out at all with a man unless I'd look at him as a potential LTR, and for me personally the LTR candidate has to be someone I am sexually attracted to, and who I enjoy hanging around with but those 4 traits I noted are ALL REQUIRED or I'm OUT. I've dropped good looking successful men before for dud personalities and/or lack of sexual attraction. And I've always appealed to men who met my criteria (as I met theirs)...so I always operated under a different assumption and looked for the whole package right off the bat rather than sacrifice on any of my baseline criteria. I pass over lots of men because I am patient that way. Few men meet all those criteria, but I don't complain about it, I just NEXT quickly and keep the opportunity to meet the right type of man open.

I was surprised to see a high value man sacrificing on his standards just for sex/beauty, but then again high value guys can continually pull new women, so that makes sense. Right up until the point that after a awhile hot sex and beauty isn't enough, and becomes unfulfilling. That's what Paul Janka talks about after getting his lay count up around 250 hot women, and that's what I hear from the guys in my peer group (40's and 50's) who have been there, done that, got the t-shirt and also gotten disillusioned because they burn out after a while.

Obviously some men sacrifice on the personality side of things in favor of hotness (perfectly understandable), and obviously there are women who sacrifice on the sex appeal to get a "good guy". I think both approaches are short sighted and ill advised and have an end result of dissatisfaction (because somebody didn't hold to their standards) and this dissatisfaction is what leads to dead end marriages and stale relationships.

And who wants something that is not satisfactory? Not me.

 

[AttackFormation]

men like p0rn, and women don't.

Huh? you sound like you're from the 19th century dude. Have women been telling you what you want to hear? lol.

 

[devilkingx2]

The problem seems to be you do not see the subset of women who are both hot and pleasant to be around.

"(...) These women are very nice, agreeable and a joy to be around, which is why they have boyfriends (...)" - dunkey, guide to girls

 

[devilkingx2]

Huh? you sound like you're from the 19th century dude. Have women been telling you what you want to hear? lol.

He's right in a sense and wrong in a sense.

Porn is like video games in that they don't have women and also have women at the same time.

They don't have women in the sense that like 95%+ of women have relatively little interest in these things

But they do in the sense that there's 3 billion women (so .1% of women is still over a million) and hundreds of millions of porn watchers (thus even 1% female is still a million)