Inner > Outer?

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

What are your guys’ thoughts on this? Is inner game greater than outer game or is outer game greater than inner game? I mean they’re both important obviously but what should one work on first? Or more often? I’ve heard arguments for both, but what are you’re guys’ opinions?

 

[RedScorpion]

I think they resonate well with each other, such as improving one can assist the other, and so can be considered equal in many respects. Kind of like how your mental health can directly impact your physical and vice versa.

If I had to pick one, I'd pick inner game as more key. Mostly because I've seen people with 'great success' - but have persistent issues that stay in their personal lives. Like uncontrolled drinking, or blatant sex offers on fb walls to other girls. Or the girlfriend that puts up with him despite repeat incidents.

Getting your internal **** sorted will help you figure out what you want in life, out of yourself.

 

[Billtx49]

Your inner game is your personal foundation for every aspect of your life. Business, social, family, sexual, and whatever else. Build it first with all the right qualities.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

They're connected. You can't really work on one without working on the other. But for more stable, long term improvement, inner game is the cause outer game is the effect.

If you're happy, you'll smile naturally without thinking (inner game --> outer game)

If you are unhappy, and you FORCE yourself to smile, you'll eventually feel better (outer game --> inner game) but it's much more temporary and "fake."

 

[sazc]

Inner first, then outer. Working on inner will naturally take care of some of the outer.

 

[Trump]

What are your guys’ thoughts on this? Is inner game greater than outer game or is outer game greater than inner game? I mean they’re both important obviously but what should one work on first? Or more often? I’ve heard arguments for both, but what are you’re guys’ opinions?

OUTER.

Women don't care if you have inner problems or worries or issues, and they don't want to solve them or even remotely help. Women care about how to make them FEEL. And how to do make them feel good? By looking good, by dressing good, by being in shape, by complimenting them, by being positive, by being sexy, by being rich.

Girl A: "Hey Julie, I got 2 guys for you. The first guy has no money, no job, no education and dresses bad. But he is a really really happy guy. His inner game is tight. The second guy has money, good job, is education and dresses impeccable. But he does get a little sad when he is by himself. Who do you like?

Girl B: The first guy for sure! I want a guy who is happy inside!

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

by being positive, by being sexy

This is inner.

OUTER.

Women don't care if you have inner problems or worries or issues, and they don't want to solve them or even remotely help. Women care about how to make them FEEL. And how to do make them feel good? By looking good, by dressing good, by being in shape, by complimenting them, by being positive, by being sexy, by being rich.

Girl A: "Hey Julie, I got 2 guys for you. The first guy has no money, no job, no education and dresses bad. But he is a really really happy guy. His inner game is tight. The second guy has money, good job, is education and dresses impeccable. But he does get a little sad when he is by himself. Who do you like?

Girl B: The first guy for sure! I want a guy who is happy inside!

Bad example my dude. That’s why the rich husband is getting cucked by the pool by who’s fvcking his hot trophy wife while he’s trying to make millions. That guy has both inner and outer, in terms of game and appearance. There’s a difference. The husband only hasn’t outer. He’s the beta bucks. Anything personality related is pretty much inner game, aside from the standard meet & greet small talk stuff. There are homeless drug dealers who get laid more than the average socially acceptable. I appreciate your input though.

 

[Macaframalama]

OUTER.

Women don't care if you have inner problems or worries or issues, and they don't want to solve them or even remotely help. Women care about how to make them FEEL. And how to do make them feel good? By looking good, by dressing good, by being in shape, by complimenting them, by being positive, by being sexy, by being rich.

Girl A: "Hey Julie, I got 2 guys for you. The first guy has no money, no job, no education and dresses bad. But he is a really really happy guy. His inner game is tight. The second guy has money, good job, is education and dresses impeccable. But he does get a little sad when he is by himself. Who do you like?

Girl B: The first guy for sure! I want a guy who is happy inside!

Huh? Lol.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

they are not mutually exclusive

maybe i'll start doing more thorough posts soon, the forum has been seriously lacking of late

Obviously not, but I’m wondering for general purposes on what people prefer.

 

[bigdave17]

OUTER.

Women don't care if you have inner problems or worries or issues, and they don't want to solve them or even remotely help. Women care about how to make them FEEL. And how to do make them feel good? By looking good, by dressing good, by being in shape, by complimenting them, by being positive, by being sexy, by being rich.

Girl A: "Hey Julie, I got 2 guys for you. The first guy has no money, no job, no education and dresses bad. But he is a really really happy guy. His inner game is tight. The second guy has money, good job, is education and dresses impeccable. But he does get a little sad when he is by himself. Who do you like?

Girl B: The first guy for sure! I want a guy who is happy inside!

I have money, good job, education, dress impeccable, am good looking and buff on top of it

I can't remember my last date

 

[Trump]

I have money, good job, education, dress impeccable, am good looking and buff on top of it

I can't remember my last date

You are not tall enough!

 

[logicallefty]

Generally speaking, outer game gets you in the door, and then it's all up to inner game from there. However, it's not exactly black and white like that all the time. I think you can balance out one for the other, *in reason*. For example, if you are a guy with 6 looks/outer but 10 inner you might be able to land yourself a fantastic catch that you wouldn't have otherwise got if your inner wasn't up to par. .Just as if you were only a 6 inner but a 10 in looks/outer, your looks could help make up for your lack of game.

 

[RedZone]

To me inner game is way more important. You can have outer game down pat but if you don't have the inner game you won't do anything. Probably makes excuses saying you would approach but not the right time or something like that.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

inner game definitely trumps outer game. Everything has to come from the inside. If the insides are right, the outside will naturally fall into place. If a shy, timid, negative person tries to behave strongly, there isn't enough "umph" in his actions so it will come across and over compensating to the people around him. Mean while if a strong man stays quiet, he is still strong as he is grounded and people will sense it. In terms of women, I would say both applies. I remember when I first started, even if I was confident I still found it uncomfortable to kino girls. After I forced myself to kino, I became more confident in the habit which made me more confident in person.

So for you, there still was an aspect of going outer to inner. I think a lot of it is ‘fake it till you make it’, which is where you do the habit and then become comfortable with it later on.

 

[playa99]

Choice between the two: inner.

For much of my life I worked on the outer without addressing internal issues. It didn't work. Whilst I had some success, I always reverted back to the same negative mindset.

Want success in the long run? Sort out your internal issues first & foremost!

 

[bigdave17]

You are not tall enough!

5'10 is not tall enough? I want a woman around 5'1 to 5'6. I don't like tall women. You think a 5'4 chick wants somebody taller than 5'10?

 

[sosousage]

but your inner is great because of your outer. outer is first.

no matter how great your inner is, change your circumstances, get jailed for months or years, and you will turn into @RichardTheFrog

prison is the outer thing.

thats why you need to avoid bad things to keep your external aura clean, which will then boost your internal "inner" aura


these guys who become milionaires or at least these who chase success in career know it very well. they dont want to waste their life in sh**ty jobs dealing with sh***ty bosses/coworkers. They want it perfect so their outergame becomes great.


In case they dont spend rest of their lives on chasing billions 24/7 then they are successful on job field and can work on other things like social circle, personality, gym, traveling, learning, women


anyone's inner game would decrease in quality under bad circumstances, so you have to chase for stability in external positives (one example job). the more of external positives you have, the better your inner game will become

 

[Desdinova]

If you want the fastest results, outer is the first thing to work on. Inner takes a lot of time and work to improve.

The two definitely go hand in hand. Working on your outer game will change some of the inner. Working on your inner game will change some of the outer. For results, outer game will get women into your vicinity. Inner game will make them addicted to you.

 

[Macaframalama]

5'10 is not tall enough? I want a woman around 5'1 to 5'6. I don't like tall women. You think a 5'4 chick wants somebody taller than 5'10?

Yup. I'm 6'5 and the short, petite women go for me quite a bit. I wouldn't make too big of a deal of your height. If it's a problem to you, it will be a problem to them.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

social circle

If you are a VERY fake individual, then at least half of this is inner. If you are real and authentic, then it’s pretty much all inner

personality

This is inner

learning

This is also inner...

anyone's inner game would decrease in quality under bad circumstances, so you have to chase for stability in external positives (one example job). the more of external positives you have, the better your inner game will become

I see what you are saying. But say you get with a woman. Sh!t tests are subtle and indirect. They are meant to determine your inner game and see what you are really made of. Someone with strong inner game aka strong self belief is very hard to sway. That’s also why that to them, circumstances are just that—circhmstances. They don’t change just because their circumstances do. That’s a sign of weakness and actually has little to do with inner vs outer, at least imo. I noticed this because I myself HATE weakness. Had to squash out every last bit of it in me, and then some. And I’m still not sure I’m fully there yet. I understand your perspective though.