Guys here who have an excellent love life/dating life but struggle in other areas

[guru1000]

lol dude you're sitting here and telling me I'm wrong about everything when you're a 9-10/10 male making about what? 500K a year? You're in the top 0.00000000000001% of men. You're not disproving anything I said.

lol @ making it sound like having 2 serious relationships with gorgeous women by 28 is terrible. I would be very happy with 1 relationship with a 7/10. I don't want anybody above a 7/10 anyways. In a perfect world, I would want like a 6/10 face with a 9/10 body. I hate myself for even having standards. I wish I would be happy with a chubby single mom type. Attractive women are horrible to deal with in every way.

I am rejecting myself? No I wouldn't say that. I approach women sometimes, the conversation usually goes smooth but they're not interested in me so I walk away before I get rejected. When I do ask them out, they give me some bullsh*t excuse. I had one last Saturday, probably a 6.5/10, tell me that "she doesn't date". Yes she seriously told me that. I walked away laughing

You’re 28, you’re judged by your potential. If you’re earning 200k now, that’s the equivalent to a mil/yr at my age, as your earning potential skyrockets in your late 30s if you stay dedicated and ambitious.

So you’re top tier in income, looks, physique and can’t score a 7?

This is exactly what makes no sense. Or maybe it makes a lot of sense.

Would it surprise you if I had stated that if I meet a girl online, and in person she’s a 6 or 7, very often she’ll reject me. But the 8s, 9s, 10s don’t reject me for the most part. If you can explain the rationale behind this without my telling you, then you may have uncovered your problem.

 

[BeExcellent]

Would it surprise you if I had stated that if I meet a girl online, and in person she’s a 6 or 7, very often she’ll reject me. But the 8s, 9s, 10s don’t reject me for the most part. If you can explain the rationale behind this without my telling you, then you may have uncovered your problem.

I'm curious to see if he 'gets it'. Let's see what he says about your observation above.

 

[bigdave17]

You’re 28, you’re judged by your potential. If you earning 200k now, that’s the equivalent to a mil/yr at my age, as your earning potential skyrockets in your late 30s if you stay dedicated and ambitious.

not for me pal. I work a ****ty industry in terms of long term financial potential. I'm going to make 150-250K forever but that's totally ok. I don't live in NYC - I live in midwest. A very nice 3000 square foot house here is 400K. I can live very very comfortably on 150K a year. I'm good at controlling myself in terms of spending. When my house is paid for in a couple years - my monthly total spending will be about 3K a month and I clear around 9-13 after taxes (I drive a nice Lexus GS that's paid for that I plan to drive for another 10 years, I'm not getting a new car)

So you’re top tier in income, looks, physique and can’t score a 7?

This is exactly what makes no sense. Or maybe it does.

Would it surprise you if I had stated that if I meet a girl online, and in person she’s a 6 or 7, very often she’ll reject me. But the 8s, 9s, 10s don’t reject me for the most part. If you can explain the rationale behind this without my telling you, then you may have uncovered your problem.

I'm top tier in income and physique, very solid in facial looks in real life but only about a 6.5/10 in pics

I tried online dating about 3 or 4 years ago and I couldn't get any replies from anybody who was not a fat single mom

I've occasionally approached women around a 8/10 in real life and they turned me down so fast your head would spin so your theory for me doesn't work. I can't even imagine how quickly the 9s would turn me down - they would probably get a restraining order against me.

 

[guru1000]

not for me pal. I work a ****ty industry in terms of long term financial potential. I'm going to make 150-250K forever but that's totally ok. I don't live in NYC - I live in midwest. A very nice 3000 square foot house here is 400K. I can live very very comfortably on 150K a year. I'm good at controlling myself in terms of spending. When my house is paid for in a couple years - my monthly total spending will be about 3K a month and I clear around 9-13 after taxes (I drive a nice Lexus GS that's paid for that I plan to drive for another 10 years, I'm not getting a new car)



I'm top tier in income and physique, very solid in facial looks in real life but only about a 6.5/10 in pics

I tried online dating about 3 or 4 years ago and I couldn't get any replies from anybody who was not a fat single mom

I've occasionally approached women around a 8/10 in real life and they turned me down so fast your head would spin so your theory for me doesn't work. I can't even imagine how quickly the 9s would turn me down - they would probably get a restraining order against me.

I’ve seen average looking men pull 8s and 9s. A friend of mine is 5’7, average looker, but a real character, piercing personality of a class-A actor, and he pulls hot tail almost every night we go out.

You think because you’re proficient in sales, that you have good verbal “game.” You don’t. I’d go further to state that your social acuity as it deals with women is crap, as even an average looker with good verbal “game” can chat up 8s and 9s, but you can’t get a convo in?

I have a hunch that you may have an arrogance that is offputting to women. Women can sniff that out a mile away. I struggled with that when I was a young man unable to handle his success with humility.

 

[bigdave17]

I’ve seen average looking men pull 8s and 9s. A friend of mine is 5’7, average looker, but a real character, piercing personality of a class-A actor, and he pulls hot tail almost every night we go out.

You think because you’re proficient in sales, that you have good verbal “game.” You don’t. I’d go further to state that your social acuity as it deals with women is crap, as even an average looker with good verbal “game” can chat up 8s and 9s, but you can’t get a convo in?

I have a hunch that you may have an arrogance that is offputting to women. Women can sniff that out a mile away. I struggled with that when I was a young man unable to handle his success with humility.

not arrogant at all. I'm actually pretty down to earth - which is why I don't need any kind of a sales approach at work. I'm very genuine and people are naturally drawn to that and want to buy from me


the fukked up thing is that i couldn't care less about quantity. I'm happy marrying the next girl I go out with on a date if she is a 7/10, doesn't have kids and is a good compatibility fit with me. All I ask for is 1 is decent girl and I can't even get that. It's so unbelievably frustrating.

 

[machoMax]

would you trade your life with mine?

Most people here are already familiar with my story but for the ones who are not - the rest of my life is incredibly perfect outside of dating (I'm good looking, extremely fit and healthy, extraordinarily successful, have fantastic family and friends, great lifestyle, fun hobbies/interests, etc...) but I've had zero real dating success in my life. I've never even had sex with a attractive girl who was my age. I find dating and women to be overwhelmingly difficult in general.

very curious what the responses are going to be.

Well, something is wrong, really wrong here... For males, physical attractiveness is not so important also muscles and stuff on first place are "financial" things. Now if you have great financial + you are 8/10 + you are fit/in shape, something is wrong, I suppose you simply are not confident with women, you do not approach them often, or you are not approaching women at all?

 

[skinnyguy]

I'm worth about 300K at the age of 28. I'll be a millionaire by the time I'm 38-40 and a multi millionaire by 60 (assuming things go the way they are going right now, which I know is a big if). I have a nice 2500 square foot house that's going to be paid for in 3 years, a 70,000 luxury sedan, etc.... I make about 150-200K a year right now.

Appearance wise - I'm about a 7-8/10 in the face but I have a great muscular physique and my fashion sense is 10/10. I can't remember my last date

LOL @ people thinking that dating is easy if you have x, y or z. Decent looking women in their 20s nowadays have limitless options dude - they can go on tinder and get hit on by a 10/10 male model who makes 500K a year.

Actually, women in tinder are willing to date broke guys. If you’re that full of yourself it’s no wonder you don’t have a gf. Women can pick up in that from a mile away

 

[Macaframalama]

Dude, stop buying the bullchit you are selling.

 

[bigdave17]

being good at a sales job doesnt magically make you good with women or give you the attitude of a man thats good/experienced with women.

the problem most people have on these forums is a binary way of thinking. its either black or white, on or off, as if there cant be an in-between. so when we say something like "money isnt everything to get women, learn some game" these same people then incorrectly infer this to mean having money is being beta. lol

having money is great. and it is attractive to women but you will often here me say here that attraction does NOT = desire. a girl can be attracted to your ability to provide but have no real sexual interest in you. a man can have capital, prestige, influence etc and STILL BE LOW STATUS in the sexual sense like a socially inept, withdrawn, needy rich guy.

likewise a guy can be broke but socially dominant, leader of his group of friends, good looking, talented etc and have a positive history with women that will serve him well to attract more women.

but its not one OR the other. the solution is bring as much of these things together as you can. acquire wealth AND learn to be socially adept. learn to close on a job/sale AND learn to close with a cutie at the bar or whatever venue of your choosing.

most guys THINK theyre good catches. most guys are wrong.

a guy with high smv is one that takes pride in his appearance and is physically fit, dresses well, has ambition, potential, socially adept, passion beyond women, preferably with a job that has some type of physical risk.

the majority of men think "she should love me as i am" even if what they are is socially awkward chubsters that have never played a competitive sport in their lives.

bro have you been reading the thread at all?

I look a pro football linebacker or fullbacker
dress impeccably
look very masculine in the face
have a very masculine voice
make friends everywhere I go
etc....

Dating is just ridiculously hard nowadays

 

[bigdave17]

I didn't make your point at all. You are a self-proclaimed male 9. You should easily be able to get as many 7/10 as you want. It might be one-sided but it doesn't mean that there are zero options... Yet that's what you have.

Sure it's imbalanced and you are in the market with the ugliest women in the whole country but if you are at as great as you say you are you should not be having these problems. I'm in potential an even worse market and I don't have those problems

I never said I'm a 9/10. I'm about a 7 to 7.5/10 in the face with 10/10 body and fashion - but those 2 things don't really matter anywhere near as much as facial attractiveness. To exasperate the problem, I am only about a 6.5/10 in pics - I look much better in real life. Women on dating sites, even the 6s and 7s are looking for 9s and 10/10s

 

[Macaframalama]

bro have you been reading the thread at all?

I look a pro football linebacker or fullbacker
dress impeccably
look very masculine in the face
have a very masculine voice
make friends everywhere I go
etc....

Dating is just ridiculously hard nowadays

Fvck ever. Guys don't look like linebackers without doing manly chit and then piss and moan like a bih. Especially, NFL linebackers. The average pro linebacker is around 6'1/250'ish lean and yoked TF up. Post a picture already.

 

[marmel75]

If you were that good looking you could use OLD and basically get laid every night without even trying and have 10 women messaging you a day.

I'm not buying it.

 

[bigdave17]

Fvck ever. Guys don't look like linebackers without doing manly chit and then piss and moan like a bih. Especially, NFL linebackers. The average pro linebacker is around 6'1/250'ish lean and yoked TF up. Post a picture already.

I'm 5'10 196. If you adjust for height, I'm in that ballpark

 

[bigdave17]

If you were that good looking you could use OLD and basically get laid every night without even trying and have 10 women messaging you a day.

I'm not buying it.

Guys read the thread please. I'm about a 7.5/10 in the face in real life but it doesn't translate to pics. I'm only like a 6 or a 6.5 in pics

Women on dating sites want a 10/10

 

[bigdave17]

A 10/10 body and 7.5 face is a 8.5-9 lol.

Why are you talking about online dating?

Women on dating sites want a 10/10 face dude

When you receive 28503252502520532805235 messages a day, you're going to hold out for that man who is 1 in 100,000

 

[bigdave17]

Then why are you using OLD? You're talking in circles.

real life dating is very difficult to find situations where it's a single woman interested in meeting somebody and she fits my requirements. Even when I do find that, she has very difficult standards

Online dating is very easy to find single women who fit my requirements who want to meet someone but their standards go from very difficult to beyond completely impossible

 

[bigdave17]

Then clearly your standards have nothing to with reality. You are what the market says you are.

I think you mistook that for meaning that I'm looking for a supermodel. I'm a 8-9 (based on your definition) and I would realistically be happy with a 6-7/10 if she was a good fit for me compatibility wise

but even 25 year old 7/10s nowadays have insane standards and are horrible to deal with.

 

[marmel75]

real life dating is very difficult to find situations where it's a single woman interested in meeting somebody and she fits my requirements. Even when I do find that, she has very difficult standards

Online dating is very easy to find single women who fit my requirements who want to meet someone but their standards go from very difficult to beyond completely impossible

I disagree...I had tremendous success online dating and I am pretty average looking..had an awesome body, but I was just OK in the face...had no issues banging chicks left and right.

 

[bigdave17]

I disagree...I had tremendous success online dating and I am pretty average looking..had an awesome body, but I was just OK in the face...had no issues banging chicks left and right.

are you dating women who are

mid to late 20s
no kids
classy
cute face/nice body
decent job
intelligent/well spoken


if you are banging trashy skanks or single moms, that means nothing. Anybody can do that

 

[marmel75]

are you dating women who are

mid to late 20s
no kids
classy
cute face/nice body
decent job
intelligent/well spoken


if you are banging trashy skanks or single moms, that means nothing. Anybody can do that

I never went below a 6.5 in the looks department and even that chick looked better than her pics, and ended up being a 7.5 in person, borderline 8---her body was banging. The rest were at least a 7. Some were 7.5 or 8's. I wouldn't get the time of day from 9's or 10's, so that was my online limit.

I didn't care at all about if she had kids, I was interested in banging them. The rest yeah...I don't do trashy chicks or ones with no jobs and ones that are dumber than a box of rocks. I'm a computer programmer, gotta have some intelligence to be around me(both sexes---I just hate stupidity in any form).

Like anything else, there is a skill at this. It took some work and effort to develop it but after a while I already knew where the interaction with any particular woman would end up after about 2 messages back and forth(ie, would I bang her, meet up with her, get flaked on, have her stop responding, etc)