BeExcellent: "Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest"

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Forget marriage, what are the implications of such an abhorrent statement for LTRs in 2017?
That's why I thought the statement deserved a thread of its own. BE spoke the unvarnished truth about how women view commitment.

Again, for the women of the board, what are the implications for LTRs with regard to the statement that is the title of this thread?

-Augustus-
 

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But any guy willing to settle down with her is probably not a valuable male with lots of options.
Both of them recognize that sex=marriage so neither would have as many options as modern people.

People that grow up in a "sex=marriage" environment have options, but they sort through their options differently.

But the flip side is the idea of "sex=marriage" is back when most people believed that (or at least the majority of their social circle) so that there was a strong external pressure to KEEP the marriage together (e.g. work through difficulties).

The whole idea of marriage was back when few people played around, and few people got divorced.

I would guess that girls who had a genuine "my pvssy is only for marriage" would have a pretty low divorce rate, as they (nor their husbands) would treat marriage casually.

A girl that really BELIEVES "my pvssy is for marriage" wouldn't likely cheat, unless her personality changed significantly during the marriage (e.g. third world girl becoming westernized etc.)
 

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'nothing short of a marriage is exclusivity', correct me if I am wrong but being married doesn't guarantee exclusivity ...?
 
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Y'all go on about the financial risks to a man in marriage while failing to acknowledge the physical risks to a woman in bearing children. Both are very real.
Fair enough.

If the woman bears children and there are no physical risks, does that eliminate the mans financial risks in a marriage?

You guys that want to spin plates endlessly are not going to attract the best young women for LTR. Maybe hot ones but not the best ones. The best ones simply are not going to put up with that for any length of time. They know better, they know their value.
What do you mean by 'best' ones? You should remember women don't go after men who are quality, it does not matter to them.

We don't 'want to' spin plates. We just don't want to be held hostage to the system based on the woman's feelings. Frankly, I think 90% of the guys in here would prefer to be in a LTR, but since female hypergamy is encouraged and rewarded, we encourage guys to make decisions that benefit them.
 

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Literally the highest quality woman I know told me this, not to mention many low quality ones. Of course, most cheaters proclaim "well we ain't married" ex post facto.
To permit this type of thinking allows a free pass and opens a pandora’s box of deception on both sides.

A girl worth marrying will leave you, not cheat on you if you withhold marriage..

The implication for LTRs is simple: If she has a need to get married and you don’t, eventually she will leave.
 

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'nothing short of a marriage is exclusivity', correct me if I am wrong but being married doesn't guarantee exclusivity ...?
Correct. Not in this day and time. The only guarantee of exclusivity is rock hard male and female commitment to each other no matter what their relationship status is.
Personal qualitty of both is an essential ingredient here…
 
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But didn't you come here picking an argument?
No I didn’t, but I will point out fallacies and half-truths in harsher manner when I see that a person has consistently done so before. How can you be so confident in yourself, yet according to you, I’m just an idiotic 18 year old boy who somehow managed to piss you off? Ironic isn’t it? I won’t extrapolate what all that means though because I’ve done so before.
The entirety of your posts to me in this thread consist predominantly of personal insults, insinuations and backhanded slights.
Again, this was NOT the REAL INTENT behind my posts. I know it might seem that way (‘haha just another edgy teen who’s provoking an argument by being an irritating brat’), but no. These “personal insults, insinuations and backhanded slights“ are the evidence being provided for my reasoning of argument. And yes, some of them are exaggerations (i.e. ‘redneck’), but that’s to get he point across. Do you want me to dissect every single one of my posts for you? Your feelings towards this argument is already set though so I know that it won’t change a thing about how you choose to understand this or me, but if you wish...
everyone in TX loses their virginity before 17 (not),
Every SEXUALLY APPEALING WOMAN does. Or before 19 I should have said. I haven’t met a hot virgin younger than that. I have met some who were virgins and were hot at 17 and 18, but usually it’s because they were ugly ducklings who became beautiful. Then unfortunately they expired.
you prayed more than me and were raised more pious than me (glad you have a working crystal ball - that's impressive)
This is fact lol. I’m not gonna argue with you on this. But know it to be true. I have had a stronger faith in God than you have before. Perhaps right now I am weaker. But religion is a whole other debate.

Yes, I have prayed more. Have gone to more religious gatherings. Have dealt with more ultra-religious people than you have. I make this claim with extreme confidence. Do not doubt it.
and you think my girls are ugly (they are gorgeous blue eyed blondes and the older one has been offered a modeling stint at Neiman Marcus...)
When did I EVER call them ugly? I don’t know them, and I rarely, if ever, make fun of people who have nothing to do with anything regarding a situation.

And models really aren’t all that, I had a crazy chick who was my ‘girlfriend’ for a while who also did/does modeling. Not all that special if you ask me.
So you believe and tell yourself whatever makes you FEEL better son. That's OK. It doesn't affect me at all one way or another.
I present what you cannot stand to believe to be within yourself. You have convinced yourself that it does not exist within you though, hence why you hate it so much. And whether you like it or not, you have reacted to me in a way that you never have reacted to anyone else on this forum. It did affect you and bother you immensely, especially that bit about birth.

And by the way, I was saying how chances of survival of both the woman and the child have gone up tremendously since your grandparents time. Yeah it sucks, but you go through it for 9 months and then 3-5 days of every month for about 30-40 years and you are done. Men live through LIFE everyday of every year.
Don't dish it if you cannot take the rebuttal.
Oh I can take a beating alright. But the way of the MAN is that even though he CAN, does not mean he WILL. You telling me to suck it up is insulting at best. I’ve given myself enough tough love to make most commit suicide (or become a drug addict or shoot places up) before. That’s what happened to everyone else who was like me once they reached 11-13. You can’t say anything about being ‘tough’ to me. Your life has been much more ‘la di da’ than mine has (or most of the men here for that matter). Make judgments based off what you DO know. Not wat you DON’T.
I'm happy and satisfied with my life and my choices so far. Delighted actually. Are you?
With my choices? Yes. My life? No.

Life happens though. Most of it is out of my control. Oh well.
 

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Some ppl would do well just to listen and learn, but for the same reason you can't find a good woman, it would require you to actually get your chit together and well, p!ssing and moaning is so much easier. I don't even know why some of the more life experienced posters even bother. I guess some ppl actually do find self-fullfilment in working with the mentally challenged. On one side you have a guy that admittedly cannot get laid, unless he pays for it and on the other you have a guy that is barely of legal age to buy tobacco. Really, how much life/relationship experience can you possibly have, to argue with such certainty, not to mention mock and ridicule?.?. Closed mouths don't get fed and a hard head makes for a soft ass ladies.
Hey, I’m a horny 18 year old. This website taught me how to sate my hunger. Now I’m on here for ****s and gigs mostly. There is the occasional egghead though. Yeah sometimes it’s me, but usually not. And drugs are easy as fvck to get, much leads tobacco. I had mates trying to sell me meth at 13, you think tobacco is hard? Bah. The fact that I’m on here means that I have as much life experience at 18 as you at 39. I’m sure there’s things that you know that I don’t, but there’s also stuff that I do that you don’t.
 

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Hey, I’m a horny 18 year old. This website taught me how to sate my hunger. Now I’m on here for ****s and gigs mostly. There is the occasional egghead though. Yeah sometimes it’s me, but usually not. And drugs are easy as fvck to get, much leads tobacco. I had mates trying to sell me meth at 13, you think tobacco is hard? Bah. The fact that I’m on here means that I have as much life experience at 18 as you at 39. I’m sure there’s things that you know that I don’t, but there’s also stuff that I do that you don’t.
Haha. When I was 18 I think phones were still in a bag and about the size of a brick. Game and the life lessons were taught by actual men. I guess it still is kind of, but it just seems like there's allot fewer of them around to go upside the back of a young guys head, when he veers off track. I don't doubt that you have seen and lived some chit. I actually feel for younger generationsI that they are having to grow up quicker.I Iike to bust balls, but there's allot of truth to what's being said. I won't deny that things all the way around aren't seeming like they are getting worse, but at some point, in order to put things back on track, we are going to have to stop passing the buck.
 

Peace and Quiet

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Game and the life lessons were taught by actual men. I guess it still is kind of, but it just seems like there's allot fewer of them around to go upside the back of a young guys head, when he veers off track.
I’ve had my fair share of beatings lmao. But overall, they were just like “you were being a piece of ****”. Not “you did that wrong, here’s what you can do better”. No one is willing to teach anyone anything anymore, and it’s extremely difficult to learn on your own since fewer people actually know how stuff works. Or when they do, they are so far ahead that it’s pointless to even try to mimic them.
 

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@BeExcellent stated this in another thread:

"Nothing short of marriage is exclusive to be perfectly honest".

Perhaps BE and some of the other women who post here would care to comment and enlighten us about why a woman would feel this way. Why would a woman state this? What is the reasoning and rationale?

And lets assume for this discussion that the woman has stated that she is only seeing/involved with the man. She has agreed that they are exclusive. But, they aren't legally married.

-Augustus-
Well, I'm not a woman, but marriage from matrimony from matrix [latin for womb] exclusive to a man and woman for life for the rearing of children. No one is thinking of the greater good today... just their own little mean selves, and what a disaster that will bring. It's like we are dancing to the fiddle of theory whilst Rome burns.
 

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historical private marriage yes, status quo formal legal marriage no.

If the government is in my bed, it's not exclusive.
Both the powers of state and church are required for marriage to be the orthodox state between the sexes. From the purely pragmatic and social perspective, you can see why that system first evolved. It was only the ideologue with his lust for freedom, and blind to order, that sought to throw off the 'chains'.

We can hardly envisage this now as individualism is the new orthodoxy. But look at the practical ramifications of it.
 

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Makes perfect sense to me, for women who expressly don't want to be someone's side piece, FB, plate etc and prefer to spend their energy and emotional investment looking for men seeking marriage and family. Why would such women waste valuable years being used up by men who have no intention of marrying and having a family with them?

Luckily for you guys, there are oodles of women who have no problems putting out and being casual, so if you don't want marriage you certainly will not be worse off because of it.
Yeah, the sad fact is that men are more capable of resisting the tide. In cultural matters, as well as sexual ones, we lead.
 

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You're asking a female why a guy would want to get married. Maybe one of the guys can answer this?

I can't go down the rabbit hole with you again, it's like being tethered to the back of a train, on a bumpy rail, in the freezing cold, and the train's going nowhere.
As more than an individuated atom free-floating in a cold and vast universe, a guy would want to get married to realize his social nature. In the development of himself as a social animal he will couple with a mate and therein the intertwining of two lives will be as a doubled strength in the face of an often harsh, cruel and competitive world. He will have a sanctum, a home and hearth, an inner temple, to retire to each evening, where the cares of his soul may be soothed in sweet caresses, and his intimacies unfold in further adorations.

Of course, I am more the monkish type.:rolleyes:
 

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'nothing short of a marriage is exclusivity', correct me if I am wrong but being married doesn't guarantee exclusivity ...?
As an inner conviction it does... hence the vows. This is why marriage as an institution evolved in the Church. The difficulties started to arise when just the externalities of it came into consideration with the state. Marriage, in a secularized/ economized society, eventually became a hollow shell.

And then the latecomers came all clamoring for the right to be 'married'.:D
 

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In the development of himself as a social animal he will couple with a mate and therein the intertwining of two lives will be as a doubled strength in the face of an often harsh, cruel and competitive world. He will have a sanctum, a home and hearth, an inner temple, to retire to each evening, where the cares of his soul may be soothed in sweet caresses, and his intimacies unfold in further adorations.
Very well said
 

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Both the powers of state and church are required for marriage to be the orthodox state between the sexes. From the purely pragmatic and social perspective, you can see why that system first evolved. It was only the ideologue with his lust for freedom, and blind to order, that sought to throw off the 'chains'.

We can hardly envisage this now as individualism is the new orthodoxy. But look at the practical ramifications of it.
Since marriage existed before the church and state... Marriage is none of their business! They've BOTH overstepped their boundaries. Only God should have jurisdiction in this area.

In my case, I am working on making sure of that!
 

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Since marriage existed before the church and state... Marriage is none of their business! They've BOTH overstepped their boundaries. Only God should have jurisdiction in this area.

In my case, I am working on making sure of that!
Isn't marriage a ritual and a sacrament? Isn't there some form of public authority performing a ceremony? Is it not a public expression/ confession? How then can it precede Church and state?
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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