LTR Market Is Trash Debate (Continued)

[RichardTheFrog]

MEN, it's like taking candy from a baby:

http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_0981_zpsv86x1af8.png.html?sort=3&o=0

All women-initiated opens within the past 60 minutes (mostly).

I have shown some of you how to become OLD kings. Incorporate or don't. It's your life.

I also shown some of you how to become LTR kings with the following:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/frame.236658/

Incorporate or don't. It's your life.

But, don't come to SoSuave and whine that the dating or LTR market is crap until you have tried what works.

Be a KING. Don't be a loser.

Okay. I want to do that. But I don't think that I can. I still remember all your advice. I have it saved in my phone.

But when I went to the plastic surgeons, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for cheek implants.

I don't think any hot girls like 5'8" guys. That could be it.

 

[guru1000]

Okay. I want to do that. But I don't think that I can. I still remember all your advice. I have it saved in my phone.

But when I went to the plastic surgeons, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for cheek implants.

I don't think any hot girls like 5'8" guys. That could be it.

Self-limiting belief. I have a friend my age who is 5'6", divorced with kids, who cleans up hot women in their 20s regularly. You think I'm a character? He's a character.

You don't need cheek implants to clean up. I gave you six items to work on.

As for OLD, I would increase the described height by three inches. As for in person approaches, it doesn't matter materially.

 

[Bucko]

Getting first messages from fakes doesn't count. "Hi", "You can donate $100 dollars", "what are you up to this weekend" etc are fraudulent emails. Might as well use email delivered to your junk mail folder by "hot women that would love to meet you" as "proof" of your desirability. Anyone could set up an email with a screen name and eventually they'll get emails from "jane, michelle, monica DAILY about "Why aren't you answering?" "Don't want to talk to me? Fine." "where have you been I missed you?" sh1t there's apps to literally fake phone text conversations to provide as "proof" of some hottie "wanting you". And this crap is what you try to pass off as proof? LOL

 

[Bucko]

Okay. I want to do that. But I don't think that I can. I still remember all your advice. I have it saved in my phone.

But when I went to the plastic surgeons, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for cheek implants.

I don't think any hot girls like 5'8" guys. That could be it.

Rich you want to post proof of fake nonsense? Put up a profile, not filled out, no picture on a Dominican woman dating site. You will literally have 15 emails from women "wanting to meet you" a day.

Bumble has bots. There are accounts or fakes that sign up (the site doesn't care as it boosts their "subscriber base") and they'll show "interest" yet the next few messages they want you to email them to see more pictures. Basically so they can get your valid email address and have you click a link to go to "see her" on some porn site or "more pics".

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Rich you want to post proof of fake nonsense? Put up a profile, not filled out, no picture on a Dominican woman dating site. You will literally have 15 emails from women "wanting to meet you" a day.

Bumble has bots. There are accounts or fakes that sign up (the site doesn't care as it boosts their "subscriber base") and they'll show "interest" yet the next few messages they want you to email them to see more pictures. Basically so they can get your valid email address and have you click a link to go to "see her" on some porn site or "more pics".

Well I just signed up for Bumble and have gotten no matches. My finger is tired of swiping. I was on Bumble about a year ago, same results.

Not even bots like me, apparently.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Self-limiting belief. I have a friend my age who is 5'6", divorced with kids, who cleans up hot women in their 20s regularly. You think I'm a character? He's a character.

You don't need cheek implants to clean up. I gave you six items to work on.

As for OLD, I would increase the described height by three inches. As for in person approaches, it doesn't matter materially.

It is not a self limiting belief that I get no matches on OLD.

 

[guru1000]

Received many PMs regarding OLD, so I'll respond here:

Here is the OLD blueprint:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/started-using-tinder.231724/page-5#post-2476780

If you don't want to do the work, don't come to SoSuave and whine.

Again, here is the LTR blueprint:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/frame.236658/

Along with this recent post:

You see being that we have very few uncastrated MEN left in the world these days, the value of MEN has increased. As OP infers, it’s not within women’s nature to be “quality,” but rather her quality (of behavior) is directed and governed by the frame of the man she’s surrendered to. Notice the use of the word “surrender.” Quality cannot be incited in a feminine woman unless she totally surrenders herself to a MAN, and this “surrender” can only occur with a man not necessarily of high value but one of extreme masculinity.

And some brilliance by Resilient here just now:

Ideas like:

-You're your one sh!t test away from getting dropped by them for another orbiter of higher SMV
-She has a bottomless pit of options thanks to OLD and Social Media
-Her High Score Theory list is just too high for you to put a dent in it

Fvck that.

Become the master of your own destiny... the guys that are struggling (myself included) need to stop living in fear!

If the woman is misbehaving beyond your leadership to course-correct and steer the ship, drop her. Don't wait until her interest level drops below 50%, take action and plan accordingly.

Guys in that Red Pill thread need to get a grip. If she's helping herself to stranger d!ck, fwb, fvckboys, etc. while exclusive, they need to drop her. Simple decision. Take the emotions out of the equation. Screen better next time...

Where is the masculinity in fearing everything that they perceived she is capable of??

Where is the masculinity in fearing that behind every dark corner there is someone or another woman plotting to screw a guy over?

We're better than the guys of that bitter RP thread DJs.... we're men and many of us are striving for a stoic persona and sound mind. We need to act like Men.

Stand out differently than the typical RP man. Think differently and for god sakes stop living life out of fear. Get in the swell and fight back against the rolling tide.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Received many PMs regarding OLD, so I'll respond here:

Here is the OLD blueprint:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/started-using-tinder.231724/page-5#post-2476780

If you don't want to do the work, don't come to SoSuave and whine.

Again, here is the LTR blueprint:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/frame.236658/

Along with this recent post:


And some brilliance by Resilient here just now:

I am the least castrated man ever. I wish I could go Genghis Khan on these girls, but I would go to jail. I still get nothing, and I think it's because of looks. I do manly things every day. It counts for nothing.

 

[guru1000]

I am the least castrated man ever. I wish I could go Genghis Khan on these girls, but I would go to jail. I still get nothing, and I think it's because of looks. I do manly things every day. It counts for nothing.

You're reading the LTR portion, that is AFTER you attracted her. This will be your strength.

Refer to the OLD blueprint.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Since the last few posts haven't been argumentative, I'm leaving this thread open for now.

One more argument/insult and I will close the thread and assign warning points to the handful of participants who are involved. You know who you are. If you already have warning points assigned, an assignment of more can have serious consequences.

A handful of guys on this site are turning it into a place of petty bickering, the complete opposite of the site's purpose of self-improvement and rising to a higher level of manhood. Every thread you guys go to war in degenerates and the purpose of the thread is competently lost.

If a member has been banned for X weeks or months, the next ban will be for much longer or possibly permanent. After seeing this display, plus the many others scattered across the forum, we're not in a lenient mood.

There will be NO back and forth about this. I invite everyone reading this to review the site rules and regulations that you and I agreed to when we signed up.

Let's see who decides now to tank this thread completely. The petty arguing and mud-slinging needs to stop now. You can disagree and debate all you want. You need top stop the personal attacks and insults.

 

[Bucko]

OLD is strictly pics driven.

1) Hire a professional photographer;
2) Snap one hundred photos, using different styles (formal, casual, sport) with different poses;
3) Take your best photos and vet them on photofeeler.com;
4) Post your five highest-rated photos on the site.

After the Match

1) On the third e-mail, ask for the number: This has been tested among thousands of women, whereas you have built just enough rapport to get her number on the third email. Anything beyond three is the law of diminishing returns a/k/a wasting your time. Anything less than three, you will lose some.

2) Texting: Ask for the date on the third text: This has been tested among thousands of women, whereas you have built just enough rapport by the third text to ask for the date. Anything beyond three is the law of diminishing returns a/k/a wasting your time. Anything less than three, you will lose some.

I used to ask for the date directly in the second OLD message, but you will lose many doing this, as some need the "feeling" of greater rapport. The method outlined above will show you the greatest return for your time.

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@guru1000 is a fan of @Naughty Ninja @Espi @bigneil . 3rd message? Post your best pics @ Naughty Ninja. Take lots of photos and get them rated elsewhere first then use the five best? @Espi. Use photofeeler? @ BigNeil.

Damn Guru gets all his guru advice from elsewhere.

Hire a professional photographer to take hundreds of pictures of you? For OLD? LMFAO! Sounds extremely try-hard by a dude who claims to not care about women but "does for self" while having no friends in which he should have pictures of himself taken by or with, but is insecure enough to pay a professional photographer to take pictures of himself posing in every pose known to man, in multiple wardrobe changes, to get "LTR material 9's and 10's" (who reside on OLD sites no less) in which he claims are LTR / marriage material (the ones he triple header dates of course). Then posts fraudulent proof of spambots "replying" and emailing him. Hahahahaha

 

[lizardking82]

It seems like every thread discussing an idea or theory turns into a personal war between a couple of members. The only topics worth reading nowadays are personal situations...

Do some members here realise that no matter how valuable some of their thoughts and experiences are, they get a bad reputation because of this useless fighting like 2 year old kids? It is a shame to have guys who can contribute to any thread turn into a personal charade for no reason except ego.

 

[exhausted]

MEN, it's like taking candy from a baby:

http://s682.photobucket.com/user/guru1000/media/IMG_0981_zpsv86x1af8.png.html?sort=3&o=0

All women-initiated opens within the past 60 minutes (mostly).

I have shown some of you how to become OLD kings. Incorporate or don't. It's your life.

I also shown some of you how to become LTR kings with the following:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/frame.236658/

Incorporate or don't. It's your life.

But, don't come to SoSuave and whine that the dating or LTR market is crap until you have tried what works.

Be a KING. Don't be a loser.

What dating site is that sir?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

What dating site is that sir?

Bumble

 

[RichardTheFrog]

In defense of Guru though, he is in NYC. My male friends in NYC are cleaning up both offline and online unless somewhat incompetent. It's the absolute best market for women in the US.

Good point. There are over 30x more people in NYC than in Orlando, FL.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Rich you want to post proof of fake nonsense? Put up a profile, not filled out, no picture on a Dominican woman dating site. You will literally have 15 emails from women "wanting to meet you" a day.

Bumble has bots. There are accounts or fakes that sign up (the site doesn't care as it boosts their "subscriber base") and they'll show "interest" yet the next few messages they want you to email them to see more pictures. Basically so they can get your valid email address and have you click a link to go to "see her" on some porn site or "more pics".

How could his be fake if I signed up for Bumble and don't get any spam like that.

@guru1000 are you saying that you are sure that all of those girls messaging you are real? And you have the option to date any of them that you want?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...ys-are-why-nycs-single-women-are-screwed/amp/

I changed my Tinder location to NYC. Let's see if it makes a difference.

Btw, this guy is better looking than me? He is one of the bachelors from the article.

I guess I just don't see it, or don't understand what makes a guy good looking. The guys who got high scores on Photofeeler were a lot of girly looking hipster guys. What's that about?

 

[Bucko]

In defense of Guru though, he is in NYC. My male friends in NYC are cleaning up both offline and online unless somewhat incompetent. It's the absolute best market for women in the US.

But your friends aren't bickering on SS 24/7/365 for over the past decade like @guru1000. Tell your friends to go to Guru's halfway house and get that shut-in out of his safe-space once in a while instead of him sitting online posting fan-fiction for men.

 

[btownbuck2012]

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...ys-are-why-nycs-single-women-are-screwed/amp/

I've been out of NYC for a few months now but I can definitely confirm what this guy is talkingabout. The point I was referencing earlier is this "grass is greener" type of mentality that both men and women have. I truly believe this is just a cope out for people who either have deep intimacy connection issues or are getting dumped. "Well I just moved on". "I want the next best thing." I 100% do not feel this way in an LTR. I truly value connecting with someone and growing that relationship over time.

Do you think others feel this way too and just can't admit it to themeselves so they just throw out cliche herd mentality lines like "I always want the next best thing"? I really think that's what's going on.

 

[Bucko]

How could his be fake if I signed up for Bumble and don't get any spam like that.

@guru1000 are you saying that you are sure that all of those girls messaging you are real? And you have the option to date any of them that you want?

http://iphonefaketext.com/

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