When do girls become as "evil" and selfish as they are described by red pill?

[Reykhel]

Can you clarify what you mean by mentally?

It's guru. Read some of his posts. He's ahead of the pack....

Look at some of his field reports, he knows what he's doing...

 

[guru1000]

You can tell me what you think. What picture did you see of me?

I have had hot girls tell me that I could go up 2 points/10 just by SMILING!

I think I smile about twice per year. When no ones around, of course.

You sent me your pics via PM. Here is my evaluation:

1) Face: You need contours. Notice your cheek, cheekbones, and temples are flat, and it doesn't appear as you have low-bodyfat where such would be justified. Men don't need volume in their cheeks (see GQ models), but if you are lacking cheek volume you definitely need high, full cheekbones to maximize your facial aesthetics. Francis Palmer, renowned plastic surgeon out of Beverly Hills avers that full cheekbones in a man's face accounts for 70% of his attractiveness. Accordingly, if you lack both cheeks and full cheekbones most of your facial attractiveness is gone.

The good news is this is a not an expensive "deficiency" to redress. Today, we have injectable fillers such as Radiesse, Scuptra, Juverderm, Volumna, inter alia. These fillers are injected in the areas where you need volume and then convert to collagen over time. I suspect you need about 4-5 ccs of any of these fillers, which will cost you roughly $3-4,000. These fillers are temporary lasting only 1-2 years. If you want a more permanent filler, it's advisable to start with the temporary ones then eventually get more permanent fillers like fat, which can be extracted from anywhere in the body and then injected. If you elect to go this route, ensure the dermatologist or PS is board-certified.

You could add up to 2-3 pts to your overall SMV with the above.

Your hair is noticeably thinning. Make a choice. Keep your hair or shave it off. If you choose to keep your hair get on a Finasteride/Avodart, minoxodil, RU58841 protocol. You may request hair to transplanted via FUT, between 2500-5000 follicles, which can cost between $15,000-$30,000. Or just buzz cut/shave it off. But don't leave thinning hair on top of your head as the alternative, which leaves you looking ungroomed and sloppy.

Correcting this hair issue will allow you to add up to one point to your SMV.

2) Body: You don't look like you have ever worked out? You need to focalize on training, diet, and cardio. A man can add up to 2-3 pts. to his total SMV with physique alone. Why would you neglect such a critical part of your value?


3) Style: Your clothes make you appear as you don't get "it." Meet with a style consultant or read style magazines. My casual goto is a Hugo Boss white dress shirt, tailored and fitted but not too tight, designer jeans, and stylish high-end leather shoes. The Rolex doesn't hurt either. You don't need a Rolex but get a watch that augments your hopefully soon-to-be sophistication and style.

This could add up to 1 pt. to your perceived SMV.

I have more to say, but don't have the time. I outlined, briefly, ways you could add up to 5-7 points to the physicality portion of your SMV.

 

[Reykhel]

For anyone who's just interested in drinking.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You sent me your pics via PM. Here is my evaluation:

1) Face: You need contours. Notice your cheek, cheekbones, and temples are flat, and it doesn't appear as you have low-bodyfat where such would be justified. Men don't need volume in their cheeks (see GQ models), but if you are lacking cheek volume you definitely need high, full cheekbones to maximize your facial aesthetics. Francis Palmer, renowned plastic surgeon out of Beverly Hills avers that full cheekbones in a man's face accounts for 70% of his attractiveness. Accordingly, if you lack both cheeks and full cheekbones most of your facial attractiveness is gone.

The good news is this is a not an expensive "deficiency" to redress. Today, we have injectable fillers such as Radiesse, Scuptra, Juverderm, Volumna, inter alia. These fillers are injected in the areas where you need volume and then convert to collagen over time. I suspect you need about 4-5 ccs of any of these fillers, which will cost you roughly $3-4,000. These fillers are temporary lasting only 1-2 years. If you want a more permanent filler, it's advisable to start with the temporary ones then eventually get more permanent fillers like fat, which can be extracted from anywhere in the body and then injected. If you elect to go this route, ensure the dermatologist or PS is board-certified.

You could add up to 2-3 pts to your overall SMV with the above.

Your hair is noticeably thinning. Make a choice. Keep your hair or shave it off. If you choose to keep your hair get on a Finasteride/Avodart, minoxodil, RU58841 protocol. You may request hair to transplanted via FUT, between 2500-5000 follicles, which can cost between $15,000-$30,000. Or just buzz cut/shave it off. But don't leave thinning hair on top of your head as the alternative, which leaves you looking ungroomed and sloppy.

Correcting this hair issue will allow you to add up to one point to your SMV.

2) Body: You don't look like you have ever worked out? You need to focalize on training, diet, and cardio. A man can add up to 2-3 pts. to his total SMV with physique alone. Why would you neglect such a critical part of your value?


3) Style: Your clothes make you appear as you don't get "it." Meet with a style consultant or read style magazines. My casual goto is a Hugo Boss white dress shirt, tailored and fitted but not too tight, designer jeans, and stylish high-end leather shoes. The Rolex doesn't hurt either. You don't need a Rolex but get a watch that augments your hopefully soon-to-be sophistication and style.

This could add up to 1 pt. to your perceived SMV.

I have more to say, but don't have the time. I outlined, briefly, ways you could add up to 5-7 points to the physicality portion of your SMV.

Okay, I can make an appointment with a plastic surgeon and hair restoration clinic.

Where do you see my hair thinning?

Do you have anything to say about the fact that all of this seems superficial? Does this not matter?

 

[guru1000]

Or a board-certified dermatologist. Your hair is obviously thinning, all over.

Yes, it's extremely superficial. Men should not be shamed for being superficial when women wear masks of makeup everyday (and most look like crap in the morning), visit their dermatologist monthly, get high-end skin care, augment themselves with fake boobs, butt implants, lip injections, fillers.

Also, some men will shame other men for tending to their physicality. But these are the men who date/marry average or bottom-of-the-barrel women so physicality is of no relevance to them.

You're in a highly competitive market. I advocate being the best across the board including also wealth and status. I'm here to employ men (no matter who they are) with unlimited options.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Or a board-certified dermatologist. Your hair is obviously thinning, all over.

Yes, it's extremely superficial. Men should not be shamed for being superficial when women wear masks of makeup everyday (and most look like crap in the morning), visit their dermatologist monthly, get high-end skin care, augment themselves with fake boobs, butt implants, lip injections, fillers.

Okay, this is something I can get working on. What else, though? Improving looks doesn't do anything about my conversational skills.

And it's not like I'm starting from nowhere.

The picture of the Spanish girl is the girl I talked to from February - June. I'm the one who stopped talking to her. The text conversation is a girl I could go meet whenever we both have a free night. There's a WhatsApp conversation that I'm trying to upload of a girl that wants to meet when she's in town. She was originally impressed by my ability to keep my d!ck hard for so long due to my implant.

Here's the WhatsApp:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lwtll8nf12dpjq/Screenshot_2017-09-28-00-25-59.png?dl=0

 

[guru1000]

Inner game is more difficult than outer game. Stick around. Read threads from some of the seasoned vets on the site. You appear recluse and lack social awareness and calibration. This will take time to develop. Best way to develop strong social acumen is to be social, especially around women. But in the context of female companionship, this puts the cart in front of the horse. Start with the physicality. Be conscious of and work in the meantime on your social acuity.

You have much work ahead of you. But you're open to change. It starts with this.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Or a board-certified dermatologist. Your hair is obviously thinning, all over.

Yes, it's extremely superficial. Men should not be shamed for being superficial when women wear masks of makeup everyday (and most look like crap in the morning), visit their dermatologist monthly, get high-end skin care, augment themselves with fake boobs, butt implants, lip injections, fillers.

Also, some men will shame other men for tending to their physicality. But these are the men who date/marry average or bottom-of-the-barrel women so physicality is of no relevance to them.

You're in a highly competitive market. I advocate being the best across the board including also wealth and status. I'm here to employ men (no matter who they are) with unlimited options.

I suppose you would advise me to get a new vehicle? I drive this old truck because I need it for work and it's cheap and gets me from A to B. Prior to this, I had a Lexus and saw no advantage to the Lexus in terms of girls talking to me.

What would you advise that I buy? I still need the truck for work. I used to want a super fancy car like a Lamborghini or Bentley. Lately, I've been leaning more toward an electric car to save gas money, but the range of them aren't that great yet. I don't want to have to recharge every 100 miles.

 

[guru1000]

Look, I don't like to talk about my assets/toys, but I can tell you that without my car(s) or duplex, I would be attracting the same amount and kind of women. Save your money and invest into your business--and your physicality.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Inner game is more difficult than outer game. Stick around. Read threads from some of the seasoned vets on the site. You appear recluse and lack social awareness and calibration. This will take time to develop. Best way to develop strong social acumen is to be social, especially around women. But in the context of female companionship, this puts the cart in front of the horse. Start with the physicality. Be conscious of and work in the meantime on your social acuity.

You have much work ahead of you. But you're open to change. It starts with this.

You mention seasoned vets. I have no way of knowing who is just bragging on this site and who is real. To be honest, I've spent roughly 3 years on various PUA/DJ forums, and you are the first person who could back anything up with actual proof of attractive girls.

Heck, just 3 weeks ago, Neil was considered a seasoned vet. Just because people give advice doesn't mean you should listen to everyone.

 

[Fruitbat]

LMAO! Someone is more than just a little bit out of touch with reality.

Well that's me convinced.

 

[Trump]

A lot of the guys here are awkward as f*ck in real life or they wouldn't be here.
Nerdy, bad posture, creepy, picked on whole life, poor dresser, weird body language etc etc and when they do get a decent girl they become stage V clingers and want to "lock her down" and hold her as there love hostage.. When most girls just want to get f*cked good and have fun..
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I've always said its more the guys weird mannerisms and behavior that trigger them getting dogged by women to the extent of some guys on this website..
The only only thing that could make a guy go full red pill dweeb mode is constant rejection and mistreatment by women.
But if every time you get with a girl she dogs you I guarentee the issue is you, not the whole gender..

I think a lot of guys on here can attract women.

It's when the guy is genuinely attracted to the women, is polite, is courteous, spends alot of time and money on her, tries to make a deeper conmection, and the women tells him to F off, she met another guy.

In my 20s I treated girls like princesses, better than I treated myself. I was completely in love with them and did a lot for them. Then when I asked for one thing that wouldnt be unreasonable, then would tell me to go to hell.

And the issue was with me? Come on bro.

 

[ubercat]

We should be inclusive but honestly Richard is such a sperg that he should be starting out with appearance. It will be his quickest route. The social skills r at such a low base. I ve followed some of gurus suggestions he knows even if he is hopelessly elitist I don't have any problems teasing and talking to random young 8s 9s at my advanced age. Now that doesn't mean I could pick them up en masse. It does mean I m attractive enough to not be automatically disqualified to the creep bucket. I m personally happy with 7s. I m interested in other things in life and don't want to work that hard

Richard I d also make the point that if u follow your nature and argue with all the advice you re ignoring 00s of years of collective experience. Basically you d be a man with a bowl starving while it's raining soup.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

We should be inclusive but honestly Richard is such a sperg that he should be starting out with appearance. It will be his quickest route. The social skills r at such a low base. I ve followed some of gurus suggestions he knows even if he is hopelessly elitist I don't have any problems teasing and talking to random young 8s 9s at my advanced age. Now that doesn't mean I could pick them up en masse. It does mean I m attractive enough to not be automatically disqualified to the creep bucket. I m personally happy with 7s. I m interested in other things in life and don't want to work that hard

Richard I d also make the point that if u follow your nature and argue with all the advice you re ignoring 00s of years of collective experience. Basically you d be a man with a bowl starving while it's raining soup.

I'm probably better looking than you.

Also, your gf is ugly af. Just being honest with you. Plus, I attract hotter and more intelligent girls than you do on a regular basis.

 

[ubercat]

Do u see how reactive you ve become?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Do u see how reactive you ve become?

Yea when you insult me. Yes I do. It's called being a normal person.

Stop responding to my threads and beg your ugly drug addict girlfriend for some of her nasty, used up, stink hole.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

We should be inclusive but honestly Richard is such a sperg that he should be starting out with appearance. It will be his quickest route. The social skills r at such a low base. I ve followed some of gurus suggestions he knows even if he is hopelessly elitist I don't have any problems teasing and talking to random young 8s 9s at my advanced age. Now that doesn't mean I could pick them up en masse. It does mean I m attractive enough to not be automatically disqualified to the creep bucket. I m personally happy with 7s. I m interested in other things in life and don't want to work that hard

Richard I d also make the point that if u follow your nature and argue with all the advice you re ignoring 00s of years of collective experience. Basically you d be a man with a bowl starving while it's raining soup.

That's because there is very little actual advice on this forum. Maybe 1 out of 300 posts is actually helpful. It's mostly people claiming to be experts when they are not.

 

[ubercat]

Being on the spectrum isn't an insult. It's a special set of traits and abilities. You can make it work for you. Anyway I don't want to agitate you further so I ll comply with your wish. Take care and go in peace.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Being on the spectrum isn't an insult. It's a special set of traits and abilities. You can make it work for you. Anyway I don't want to agitate you further so I ll comply with your wish. Take care and go in peace.

Oh, I get what you were saying now. I didn't know what you meant by "sperg." I thought you were saying like "spazz" or something. I thought by "sperg" you were saying that I was hideously ugly.

Do you really think some cheek implants and thicker hair is gonna do it? I don't even think I'm ugly anyway. I usually get called a 7. Although I'm definitely getting older.

 

[sambwoy]

A lot of the guys here are awkward as f*ck in real life or they wouldn't be here.
Nerdy, bad posture, creepy, picked on whole life, poor dresser, weird body language etc etc and when they do get a decent girl they become stage V clingers and want to "lock her down" and hold her as there love hostage.. When most girls just want to get f*cked good and have fun..
.

They are particularly mean to ugly guys in casual social settings because, at least from experience in my circles, they had totally unrealistic expectations of men and reality, but
then again they don't care about the plight of men anyway, when you look at misandry and double standards.

As far as myself is concerned, I would say I subconciously tell myself I'm unattractive 94% of the time in a typical day, but I would only get more so as i get older anyway. I feel I don't get noticed by women, but then again I never really existed and my life never really began, and now I'm out job-hunting and doing voluntary work and that is not a true reflection of me, considering I am merely a name on a birth certificate.