Don't go for the "9s" and 10s"

[lizardking82]

Here is my personal experience regarding this: most of the most beautiful women are nothing more but genetically lucky. Because they're beautiful, they are born in a position of natural power, meaning a lot of men wanna bang them so that they can possibly have beautiful, healthy children.

Here is the problem: since the most basic and strongest instinct in humans is the reproducing desire, as a woman, when you're wanted by doing nothing else other than having a **** and being beautiful, you know that the reproduction chances are not simply high, but for a good amount of years from around 17/18 to around 30 at least, you can even pick some of the best options. That is the reason why almost every beautiful woman doesn't have anything for you other than a **** and an arrogant behaviour of "well, that should be enough for you, mister, now give me everything you got".

I say, look for the women who are not so super beautiful. The reason I say this is not because you should lower the quality of the woman you're looking for. If you're a civilized, mature man living in the 21st century, you probably do not measure the quality of your woman just by how beautiful she is. If you do, you're way behind (in my opinion). I would definitely take a 6 or a 7 (and most of these are still cute girls anyways, not talking about dealing with ugly ass women) that is submissive by nature, that treats me like a king, cooks for me, wants to **** me anytime I want to and often and is also willing to learn sexual skills to seduce me better and is willing to be my companion and support me in what I am doing in my life OVER a 9 or a 10 that is trying to overpower me, wants to earn more than me and is an arrogant **** who's "independent" and a "strong woman".

I would suggest you go for the women that give you a good feeling. Try to make her submit right away by expressing how you feel about her. Not all women will submit, but if one does, trust me, she will be to you more than enough and you won't even chase any kind of women around anymore. For whatever reason you're chasing a woman, do so until it feels right. Listen to your gut feeling, it prevents you from wasting time on the wrong women. When something feels off, it usually is. Listen to it. And stop going after women that your friends or society thinks they're hot. Hot is a complex and personal concept so go after what makes you hot.

Just my experience and 2 cents.

 

[Urbanyst]

If you meet a 9 or a 10 who has a sh*t personality. Your best option is to treat her like dirt.

Sh*t people should be treated like sh*t people. Don't be nice to someone because they are hot. Be nice to them because they are a good person.

 

[bigneil]

I disagree.

Advantages to Dating 9's and 10's

1) You get desensitized to the most beautiful women, so 8's won't get under your skin any more.
2) You prove to the world you are capable of dating such women (social proof).
3) You get feedback from them, and in the process you learn what to say and not say.
4) They are practically impossible to please, telling you stories of yachts, penthouse apartments, $5M bank accounts and limo rides, so they force you to learn about the finer things to please them.
5) It's often the best sex you ever had.
6) If you get them to be genuinely attracted to you (i.e., come), they will be like the fountain of youth to your body.
7) You prequalify for other 9's and 10's.
8) They energize you so you can work harder and earn way more than the extra they expect.
9) You get revenge on all the 6's, 7's and 8's who didn't treat you right.
10) They inspire you to work out.
11) When they leave you (they will eventually) you will be inspired like never before to study SS material and diet, etc.
12) When you learn to walk away from a girl you see as a 10, you will become more powerful than you can imagine (think Ben Kenobi getting killed by Darth Vader).

 

[pancakepalace]

This idea of not going for 9s and 10s seems so artificial.

 

[stovepipe]

Hot women are becoming the weapon that is taking men down. Im losing count from all the forums and personal friends who have been treated like chit and most cheated on to top it off. When you call them out on their behavior, they look at you like you're the crazy one. Then they leave you for a beta they can control. When he finally has the courage to call her out she leaves him and the cycle repeats. Jezebel spirit is in full effect!

 

[bigneil]

Hot women are becoming the weapon that is taking men down.

You prefer non-hot women?

 

[guru1000]

Go Big or Go Home bltches.

Don't wish it were easier. Wish you were better.

 

[Desdinova]

Try to make her submit right away by expressing how you feel about her.

Ummm.... I wouldn't express 5hit. If she's always guessing, she's going to work her ass off to make sure you stay with her.

Other than that, good post.

I disagree.

Advantages to Dating 9's and 10's

The way I see it, dating 9s and 10s is what you do when there isn't a decent woman to be found or you're just not in the mood to commit at the moment. The 9s and 10s are great to fvck and toss. When they start pissing you off or they start to flake because they have another guy in the picture, you throw her away and get another one to replace her.

Women who are hot and a pain in the ass are common. They are replaceable.

Because women who are going to treat you well aren't exactly everywhere, you need something to do with your time before you start spending time with a decent one, so there's plenty of time to fvck hot women. If anything, fvck a variety of women. You'll really get to know what you like and don't like. There are pieces of 5hit who are 6s and 7s too.

2) You prove to the world you are capable of dating such women (social proof).

The only person who needs proof that they can date hot women is yourself. Social proof in it's simplest terms is to be popular, especially with other women. Women don't give a fvck what the woman by your side looks like. If the other woman likes you, she's going to find every fault she can with the woman by your side regardless of what she looks like.

 

[SuckItUp]

Your point is moot unless you are talking relative 9s and 9+ women because most guys don't encounter 9 to 9+ women let alone date them.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Hot women are becoming the weapon that is taking men down. Im losing count from all the forums and personal friends who have been treated like chit and most cheated on to top it off. When you call them out on their behavior, they look at you like you're the crazy one. Then they leave you for a beta they can control. When he finally has the courage to call her out she leaves him and the cycle repeats. Jezebel spirit is in full effect!

Nothing new it was in the Bible.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Go Big or Go Home bltches.

Don't wish it were easier. Wish you were better.

What can we do so we can be like the "hot girl"?

 

[bigneil]

Have 12 options.

 

[guru1000]

This thread is beyond the "hot girl." Hot girls begin at 7. 9s and 10s run the show.

Let's take a girl I'm seeing ... as close to a 10 as you can get. Former runway model, Brazilian, 26 yos, 5'7 (short for runway) 117 lbs, D-chested, 24 inch waist.

This wknd, we walk toward Bagetelle, very exclusive club/lounge down in NYC. Outside, a long line around the block replete with with 8s and 9s trying to get in. I walk right up to the front with my girl. Doorman looks at me, then at the girl, and with no spoken words, just a nod, let's us right in.

We enter, sit down and order a bottle. A gentlemen adjacent to me cannot keep his eyes away from my girl. So I introduce myself, "Hey, I'm Guru." We start talking. Turns out, he's a billion-dollar hedge fund manager. We drink, hang out, talk shop, and have a great time. I make a strong connect with this guy and have a scheduled meeting with him later this week.

9s and 10s open huge doors. Men, don't delude yourselves.

What can we do so we can be like the "hot girl"?

You'll never be like a HB9 or 10. But, a 9 or 10 woman has a shelf life. Your value as a man (SMV) does not and will continue to grow as long as you continue to tend to your physicality, style, wealth/status.

I've dated hundreds (probably closer to 1000) of women. Now ... in my 40s, my journey with and "gaming" 9s and 10s consistently is just getting started.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Here is my personal experience regarding this: most of the most beautiful women are nothing more but genetically lucky. Because they're beautiful, they are born in a position of natural power, meaning a lot of men wanna bang them so that they can possibly have beautiful, healthy children.

Here is the problem: since the most basic and strongest instinct in humans is the reproducing desire, as a woman, when you're wanted by doing nothing else other than having a **** and being beautiful, you know that the reproduction chances are not simply high, but for a good amount of years from around 17/18 to around 30 at least, you can even pick some of the best options. That is the reason why almost every beautiful woman doesn't have anything for you other than a **** and an arrogant behaviour of "well, that should be enough for you, mister, now give me everything you got".

I say, look for the women who are not so super beautiful. The reason I say this is not because you should lower the quality of the woman you're looking for. If you're a civilized, mature man living in the 21st century, you probably do not measure the quality of your woman just by how beautiful she is. If you do, you're way behind (in my opinion). I would definitely take a 6 or a 7 (and most of these are still cute girls anyways, not talking about dealing with ugly ass women) that is submissive by nature, that treats me like a king, cooks for me, wants to **** me anytime I want to and often and is also willing to learn sexual skills to seduce me better and is willing to be my companion and support me in what I am doing in my life OVER a 9 or a 10 that is trying to overpower me, wants to earn more than me and is an arrogant **** who's "independent" and a "strong woman".

I would suggest you go for the women that give you a good feeling. Try to make her submit right away by expressing how you feel about her. Not all women will submit, but if one does, trust me, she will be to you more than enough and you won't even chase any kind of women around anymore. For whatever reason you're chasing a woman, do so until it feels right. Listen to your gut feeling, it prevents you from wasting time on the wrong women. When something feels off, it usually is. Listen to it. And stop going after women that your friends or society thinks they're hot. Hot is a complex and personal concept so go after what makes you hot.

Just my experience and 2 cents.

Agree 100%. The ROI is just way too low with 9's and 10's. I'm done with them even though I can pull them. What you have to put in to just enjoy your time with them is not what you get out of it. I have way more depth and character than the "need to be seen" with a hot 9-10.

 

[bigneil]

Once they turn 21 they become monsters for some reason. It's been that way for 30 years.

 

[bigneil]

(And based on Bob Dylan lyrics, it's been that way 50+ years).

 

[Roober]

I wish I could speak to experience, but my best is probably only an 8. She was a handful and the mess that landed me here. To be honest, I don't even encounter many 8's or 9's as I am out and about. I was in Vegas this last weekend and I think I saw maybe 5 9's, and maybe a dozen or so 8's.... To me, a 10 is a beautiful woman with a great atttitude, practically a unicorn.

From what I have gathered during my time here... 9's have a shelf life, So long story short, it is more about what you want to get in life. If your looking for an LTR/marriage, it seems that the 7-8 range is the way to go. They will still get attention from other men, but are well-rounded enough to understand relationships... and being an adult...

 

[lizardking82]

The best 8s, 9s, and 10s are under 18 years old, sadly. I know because I dated them in high school. As soon as they can enter a club and see how messed up the male/female ratio is and how easily guys can get manipulated for free drinks, they start to develop a sense of entitlement.

By the time she is 25, she is already a monster. Even if she perceives you as higher status, she might not submit.

I often question hypergamy because I do not see the highest value guys getting into ltrs with hot women. It is usually someone who has similar value to the woman, but can be controlled. He has to tolerate the hot chick, and a Iot of high value guys have hard boundaries that makes them uncontrollable.

Most high value people break up. Two big egos can't coexist.

When I go out to the clubs, my interactions look more like I am yelling at women and putting them in their place.

I think women's liberation ruined hypergamy. Hypergamy is ideal when you are in some kingdom society where the 9 and 10 is a peasant girl (therefore her entitlement is limited) and you are a man of nobility and status.

I guess the solution is to get rich and date poor 9's and 10's. But even these days, those women usually have 5 betas bank rolling them.

Totally agree, from personal experience as well. It is insane as to how my ex was 17 when I meet her and she was like a dream. She became 19...rotten. It is amazing how quickly they go bad once they get this idea that men wanna fuk them over LOL

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I think the level of 'hotness' is a very significant factor.

I have two women I'm interested in at the moment. One is hotter than the other. I initiate a text every now and then, and she responds. The other lady, less hot, initiates the text to which I respond.

I am instinctively gravitating to the less hot one because of this.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

You prefer non-hot women?

There are levels of hotness. There should be some DEFCON system - Level 5 hotness is imminent danger.... level 4 and level 3 would be the livable level avoiding the utter boredom of 1 and 2. Everything in moderation... including hotness.