Philando Castile's Murderer Gets Away

[sazc]

IMO it's incredibly immature to call someone disingenuous simply because they disagree with you. Especially after you called this a 'debate' earlier.

You need to slow down and start thinking before you react based on your emotions @Tenacity

You've got some growing to do in some key areas.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity,

Why do you insist on making it personal? "disingenuous as fvck"? Seriously?

IMO it's incredibly immature to call someone disingenuous simply because they disagree with you. Especially after you called this a 'debate' earlier.

You need to slow down and start thinking before you react based on your emotions @Tenacity

You've got some growing to do in some key areas.

You guys are doing the disingenuous shyt right now.

Can you get BACK to the context of the topic?

 

[Tenacity]

4. PLEASE provide the source you are using for the additional elements of the case you speak of. I can only find news sites telling me what to think.

I'm not doing the research for you. If you want to continue to have your opinions, fine, just know they are uneducated and not based on the evidence in the case......because based on your admission....you haven't researched the case. All of the evidence is out there, not just on "mainstream media news sites".

 

[Tenacity]

I am not asking you to research, merely share the same sites and data you have already used to come to your conclusion.

You don't get to claim being the expert without sharing your sources.

You are asking me to research for you and post sources, because you said the very limited research you've done is from news stations you don't deem credible.

- You didn't even know who the individuals were that I named, who reported the gun was still in Castile's pocket.

- You didn't know anything about the Officer's statements.

- You didn't know anything about the robbery that took place prior to this situation

You didn't research the case. It's not about me being an expert, it's about you debating "points" that are uneducated. Once you have completed your research and summarized your opinion based on said research....I can continue this conversation.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Because the gun was in his pocket Sir. While he was reaching in his pocket to pull out the items needed (license, insurance, etc) the gun was in the pocket where the rest of the items were. Plus being black, it's always important to tell Cops you have a gun on you, you don't want any surprises. Castile was doing what he was supposed to do.



Nooooooo. You guys are being irresponsible by participating in this discussion, without looking at all of the testimonies and statements made in the case. I've already told you guys, the OFFICER said Castile already had his hands in his pocket BEFORE the command, not AFTER. It was the pocket where Castile's remaining items were for the traffic stop. When the officer says, "don't reach for it".......Castile says, "I'm not reaching for it".....and the Officer lets off 7 shots. He didn't give the man time to pull his hand BACK out of his pocket.

That's not my opinion, that's not my guess........that's the FACTS of the case based on the statements made by the Officer and Diamond Reynolds combined.

The way the statements were made I assumed the gun was in the seat or the glove box. But if I knew I had a gun in my pocket, even legally, I think I would let them reach into my pocket for my ID's. I'd explain that to them first.

 

[Tenacity]

The way the statements were made I assumed the gun was in the seat or the glove box. But if I knew I had a gun in my pocket, even legally, I think I would let them reach into my pocket for my ID's. I'd explain that to them first.

There's a number of things Castile could have done to help avoid this situation:

- Number one, he could have not been driving under the influence of a drug or drink.

- Number two, he could have been riding with the gun in the glove box, or when he told the Officer he had a gun he could have said it's a licensed gun and he has no prior major run-ins with the law.

- Number three, he could have not been driving that beat up piece of shyt car with 2 of 3 lights not working in the back.

- Number four, he could have kept his hands on the steering wheel the entire time, knowing that he has a gun in his pocket and any moves towards his pocket could have made the Officer uncomfortable.

But despite ALL of that, this was still a bad shoot and it was still involuntary manslaughter.

 

[Reyaj]

Do you all really think this would have went down the way that it did had this guy been white?

Why aren't there videos of similar white people being gunned down in the same scenario then?

 

[speed dawg]

There's a number of things Castile could have done to help avoid this situation:

- Number one, he could have not been driving under the influence of a drug or drink.

- Number two, he could have been riding with the gun in the glove box, or when he told the Officer he had a gun he could have said it's a licensed gun and he has no prior major run-ins with the law.

- Number three, he could have not been driving that beat up piece of shyt car with 2 of 3 lights not working in the back.

- Number four, he could have kept his hands on the steering wheel the entire time, knowing that he has a gun in his pocket and any moves towards his pocket could have made the Officer uncomfortable.

But despite ALL of that, this was still a bad shoot and it was still involuntary manslaughter.

There's a couple of missing elements here.

We all agree that this should not have happened. Castille was, from all the evidence, a law abiding citizen.

The two questions for me are:

1) Was the cop quicker on the trigger because the dude was black and had dreads?
2) Was Castille disobeying the cop?

The answer to both of these is yes, even it's just a small degree. You could also ask if Castille was committing a crime, and whether the cop meant to harm. The answer to both is no. The cops and Castille both were scared to death.

I just hope both sides learn a lesson from this. There is a reason both feel the way they do. At some point, we have to shake hands or there will be a war in the street. There already is.

 

[speed dawg]

Do you all really think this would have went down the way that it did had this guy been white?

Why aren't there videos of similar white people being gunned down in the same scenario then?

Check the white guilt crap at the door. The cop was hispanic. If we're talking about race, it's specifically 'America vs. black', not 'white vs. black'. Let's not get that twisted. By putting a white person in Castille's seat you are trying to frame white people as aggressors.

 

[TheVirtualMind]

So...Does anyone want an actual officer (or 2) to break things down, or do people here just want to keep going back and forth with "internet savory?"

 

[Tenacity]

So...Does anyone want an actual officer (or 2) to break things down, or do people here just want to keep going back and forth with "internet savory?"

Break it down.......

 

[sazc]

So...Does anyone want an actual officer (or 2) to break things down, or do people here just want to keep going back and forth with "internet savory?"

So...Does anyone want an actual officer (or 2) to break things down, or do people here just want to keep going back and forth with "internet savory?"

That would be nice. Honestly I'm not sure that would change the minds of a few people. I considered paging logical Lefty but also didn't want to bother him.

Are you able to break it down from that perspective?

 

[Tenacity]

Are you going to provide your source for these testimonies you mention? I would like to read them.

I'm kind of busy right now, you are going to have to wait until I get time to collect all of the evidence and lay it neatly on the table for you. I was hoping you would be able to do your own research. You keep talking about a gun being in his lap, there was no gun in his lap.

 

[TheVirtualMind]

That would be nice. Honestly I'm not sure that would change the minds of a few people. I considered paging logical Lefty but also didn't want to bother him.

Are you able to break it down from that perspective?

Considering I am one...Yeah, I think I can.

Give me a bit as I have to type on my phone as the internet at the new home hasn't been installed yet.

 

[Reyaj]

This is a different question posed than earlier.

The first was whether the police officer should be guilty. Based on our limited evidence, I would think the same regardless of the race of the victim.

He had 5.5 seconds to comply, and it looks like he has a gun in his lap.

If, however, the dude was not moving at all during those 5.5 seconds, then yes the cop is much more culpable and should be in jail.

As for whether it would happen to white people, one could ask the same question of asians and jews. There are all sorts of variables determining race in crimes and violence. I would rather focus on this instance instead of broadening the discussion on something which no doubt everyone will disagree on.

Unfortunately if race played a part here it is relevant to the discussion like it or not. I personally think the officer got nervous and that's why he was quick on his trigger. Would he have gotten as nervous and pulled his trigger in such a short amount of time had the driver been white? This is if the exact same events, words, tone of voice etc. occurred. We hear so many of these stories... and like tenacity said I don't think the cops are always at fault, however you don't see or hear of this as much happening to white people. Very simple and clear observation Danger.

Check the white guilt crap at the door. The cop was hispanic. If we're talking about race, it's specifically 'America vs. black', not 'white vs. black'. Let's not get that twisted. By putting a white person in Castille's seat you are trying to frame white people as aggressors.

I'm not talking about the police offer's race, I'm talking about the victim. I never said a word about the police officer's race, the victim was African American. I wasn't making a point to frame any race as the aggressors, but rather that African Americans are stereotyped/profiled. Do you disagree? If it's easier for you to spin this into I'm saying white people are aggressors than to address my actual point I get it

 

[Reyaj]

I can't believe this. Jeronimo Yanez (the officer who shot Castile) gets OFF. No verdict, no slap on the wrist, no detention, no nothing.

How in the living hell can anybody say this wasn't manslaughter? Castile was licensed to carry, he announced he had a gun (which he has every right to have), and within 3 seconds the Officer starts firing off rounds. That's fvcking manslaughter. Most of these "black lives matter" cases involve black people who are thugs and jack a.sses, doing thug and jack a.ss shyt. This is NOT that case. Philando was shot for no gawd damn reason. That could have EASILY been me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/video-police-shooting-philando-castile-trial.html

He wasn't alluding to race? Fvck man I need to get better glasses then...

 

[Bible_Belt]

The next step is a civil suit against the cop individually as well as the police force. The burden of proof is much lower in civil court, and I think his family will definitely win some money.

I called that one.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2017/06/philando_castile_settlement.html
Philando Castile's family reaches $3 million settlement with Minnesota suburb

 

[Reyaj]

His beef was about the guilt of the cop. Thus that is the focus of the topic and the question at hand.

I can't believe this. Jeronimo Yanez (the officer who shot Castile) gets OFF. No verdict, no slap on the wrist, no detention, no nothing.

How in the living hell can anybody say this wasn't manslaughter? Castile was licensed to carry, he announced he had a gun (which he has every right to have), and within 3 seconds the Officer starts firing off rounds. That's fvcking manslaughter. Most of these "black lives matter" cases involve black people who are thugs and jack a.sses, doing thug and jack a.ss shyt. This is NOT that case. Philando was shot for no gawd damn reason. That could have EASILY been me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/video-police-shooting-philando-castile-trial.html

Do you really need me to BOLD out the race references or do you want to end this pissing contest now?

 

[speed dawg]

I'm not talking about the police offer's race, I'm talking about the victim. I never said a word about the police officer's race, the victim was African American. I wasn't making a point to frame any race as the aggressors, but rather that African Americans are stereotyped/profiled. Do you disagree? If it's easier for you to spin this into I'm saying white people are aggressors than to address my actual point I get it

Apparently you didn't read my post.

 

[Reyaj]

Apparently you didn't read my post.

Was there a different one from the one I debunked? You know where you took mine out of context and tried to spin it into something else