This site isn't going to progress any further until we dump the total black or white way of thinking

[Trainwreck]

I see a lot of arguments on this forum and it is mainly black or white thinkers versus gray area thinkers. Alpha male or beta male, unicorn or *****, money matters vs money doesn't matter at all, racism in the dating game vs there's no racism in the dating game, location matters vs location doesn't matter, and etc. Each argument holds its own validity to some degree, but it is completely asinine to outright say one rules over the other. I think we are just mixing up the gray areas with the black or white areas. Beta male,alpha male, gamma male, all of them are getting laid somehow, so lets find the black or white area in that. In conclusion, we are arguing and ****** too much over the gray areas and not the black or white areas that matter. Also, the puas made everything black or white so they could sell you on ****.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

 

[amazingswayze]

I have to agree. I'm starting to feel like The Red Pill subreddit is on a much higher level than sosuave. There's a handful of posters on here who I really respect but the vast majority of this forum is nonsense.

 

[lizardking82]

This is true in some cases. In some other cases, it's just stubborn or butthurt users who somehow want to think their story fits into the grey area because it makes them feel more comfortable and less prone to taking action.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

This is true in some cases. In some other cases, it's just stubborn or butthurt users who somehow want to think their story fits into the grey area because it makes them feel more comfortable and less prone to taking action.

You have to keep in mind the subjective parameters; what it is that a particular person wants... or should want. This is a huge part of the equation.... and perhaps inseparable from 'just getting laid' at whatever cost.

 

[lizardking82]

You have to keep in mind the subjective parameters; what it is that a particular person wants... or should want. This is a huge part of the equation.... and perhaps inseparable from 'just getting laid' at whatever cost.

I think the good posters in here keep that in mind all the time. If you want to have your cake and eat it, too, most sound mentally members here will tell you that it cannot happen. Getting laid is not the main point of this forum anymore. I think self improvement is. And that leads to getting laid a lot.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Usually the "black and white" posters on here (and I'm one of them I'm sure) are stating the main points of things that took them years to learn, in a sort of short-hand. It becomes necessary to encapsulate the main points and present them in a somewhat formularized fashion for the sake of brevity.

Most (but not all) black and white posters are well aware of the gray areas and have learned to integrate them into their briefly stated formulas.

When I read from these guys, I try to get my hands (or my brain) dirty and mine for the truth behind the starkly-stated principle. I try to ignore the delivery method and instead think of how I can leverage this idea and integrate it into my life.

 

[nismo-4]

People tend to understand better when things are black and white.

But in some cases, there is a gray area.

It's about finding balance. Otherwise, we'll keep going back and forth between extremes.

There exists infinite reasons why you don't get a woman. Just like why you don't get that job you wanted. To overanalyze is futile. To ask why you lost is futile.

Second place is first loser. You need to come in first. Being second place with one woman doesn't mean you'll be with the next one.

Keep trying.

 

[wifehunter]

I gotta stop reading books...it's all black and white, on every page!!!

 

[Atom Smasher]

I would add that the small-minded scream, "Oh no! You're speaking in black and white!" and cover their ears and sing "La la la".

The wise listen to the point being made, ignore the delivery, and determine if they can utilize some or all of the stated idea in their own life.

 

[Trump]

The arguments start because everyone gets offended when you challenge, question, or logically argue their post. Everyone wants to be right.

People don't want to hear about reality, they want to hear what FEELS good. "You are the man, you are the catch, you are the prize, you are the one!" sounds much better than "Work hard and smart, go through 4 years of college and exams and get a relevant degree, work out to keep your mind and body fresh, and take pride in your appearance."

 

[Von]

The arguments start because everyone gets offended when you challenge, question, or logically argue their post. Everyone wants to be right.

People don't want to hear about reality, they want to hear what FEELS good. "You are the man, you are the catch, you are the prize, you are the one!" sounds much better than "Work hard and smart, go through 4 years of college and exams and get a relevant degree, work out to keep your mind and body fresh, and take pride in your appearance."

I would add... some stop posting in their own thread when you challenge their ideas.

Nobody likes to be challenged.

That's why people LIE

A Lie is always easier than the Truth. aka Alpha

Only the strong accept the Truth and the strongest make something about it.. aka HuperMan (SS Alpha)

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

It's all gray in on my head.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The arguments start because everyone gets offended when you challenge, question, or logically argue their post. Everyone wants to be right.

People don't want to hear about reality, they want to hear what FEELS good. "You are the man, you are the catch, you are the prize, you are the one!" sounds much better than "Work hard and smart, go through 4 years of college and exams and get a relevant degree, work out to keep your mind and body fresh, and take pride in your appearance."

A forum for discussion should promote a civil attitude. A forum is supposed to involve a process of dialogue, where, in a dialectical process, a practical solution of sorts is found. Ideological arguments, with their theoretical purity, are the opposite of this.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Well it all depends on the person and what THEIR truth is. Everyone's truth is constant, which is why we all argue so much against each other because we just SWEAR that our way is right and that the other person's way is wrong simply because their way didn't work for us whereas the way we currently do things is better. But that's because it works better for us due to what type of person we are, the type of people everyone else is, the environment you are in and grew up in, your mindset, etc. The truth is constant, but only per its environment/scenario. Let's consider a very basic chemistry equation:

For the environment of A + B ⇌ C + D

K = [C][D]/[A][C]

K is the constant, or your truth. Now A might be the variable describing what your personality is, B could be your natural intellect, C is the schooling you were actually given, and D could be how you were actually raised. Now let's say that for each of these, you give a number that represents the way you were raised or how much schooling you were actually given, etc. Each person is different, so each person's numbers will be different. What happens then? The result is that everyone has a different constant, which is means YOUR truth differs from everyone else's. Some people have more variables than others, meaning some people have factors A, B, C, and D affecting their life and who they are, whereas some people have A, B, C, and D along with E, F, and G. Some people might only have A, B, and C to account for why they are the way they are.

This is getting a little bit weird and abstract but hopefully this makes sense to everyone. People just needs to remember the basic rule that what works for you might not work for others and that what works for others might not work for you. That's why after a while of being 'in the game' you start to notice that you can bend some of the rules and even break them to fit your own agenda and women will still love you for it—that specific situation could have only happened with a specific truth. It's dependent on each person because of who they are and what the environment they're in currently is, and as we can see, there's WAY too many factors to take into consideration to determine what will work 100% of the time. And sometimes, all the factors could be differing to their degrees (say different numerical values for A, B, C, and D) but the K value still remains the same as it was before, meaning the truth, YOUR truth still remained the same. That's also why they say there's no one single magical method to attract women, rather a whole bunch of different tools to add to your toolbox instead.

 

[zekko]

I dislike the black and white thinking because it is describing extremes. Dividing the world into alphas and betas, winners and losers, etc. might br all right for teaching lessons, but it doesn't accurately reflect reality (which is what the red pill is supposed to be about).

Thanks for mentioning The red pill subreddit, amazingswayze, I'll have to check that out.

 

[Trump]

A forum for discussion should promote a civil attitude. A forum is supposed to involve a process of dialogue, where, in a dialectical process, a practical solution of sorts is found. Ideological arguments, with their theoretical purity, are the opposite of this.

Not sure what you are talking about here bro.

All I am saying is when posters have their posts disputed logically, they make things personal instead of looking at the argument. Why do they make things personal? Because they can't justify their argument logically. If they could justify it logically, we would all be having civilized discussions with tea and crumpets.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Not sure what you are talking about here bro.

All I am saying is when posters have their posts disputed logically, they make things personal instead of looking at the argument. Why do they make things personal? Because they can't justify their argument logically. If they could justify it logically, we would all be having civilized discussions with tea and crumpets.

That is my point. No one can justify their argument position logically - a rigorous logic should lead us to skepticism... but this should not devolve into who can shout the loudest. Rather, dialogue should be seen as a practical art, and not a formal science with the certitude of geometry.

Granted this, we'd have a more pragmatic and fruitful kind of conversation. Forget tea and scones, and think grapes and togas.