Are todays guys becoming more beta

[051AV]

I observe a lot its just my nature I pay attention to most things, I have noticed guys have become real beta men especially the younger generation. When I was back in my 20's I didn't wear my pants around my knees and I didn't act like the way they do today.

Do you think our society is changing? men have become less manlier if you can call it that?

I catch a lot of women off guard because I do live a healthier lifestyle I look 10 years younger than I really I'm. I have the maturity of a 40 year old guy but the looks of a 30 year old. I've taken online "tests" in the past and I come up with the title "Classic Alpha" I'm sure in the hell not beta.

I see many guys they are frigging whipped their woman is telling their boyfriend/husband what to do she snaps her fingers he jumps. My ex BPD is with a beta guy she snaps her fingers he jumps its amazing how much of weak a** man he is. He gets angry because she wants him to do things but he doesn't stand up to her.

It seems todays men are becoming more feminine, look at the way guys dress, metrosexual has become out of hand.

 

[bigneil]

Short answer: YES.

I observe almost daily at my hangout spot, observing the annoying young 16 year old men who are hired as bar backs, how they behave around any women I would have sex with (usually 20 year old waitresses).

These men advertise their servitude, and do indeed seem to think that women will love them when they act more like them.

It's not only girly and obvious, but completely and utterly unprofessional. Nothing is more appalling to a customer than observing a romance between two restaurant employees (except when he likes her and she doesn't like him, even more stomach turning).

Why is this happening? Easy. These little sissies were raised by women who had a steady stream of EBT money coming (via yours truly, which is why I couldn't afford kids). So there was not only no dad around, but no man whatsoever (in the old days the woman would find SOME man if she was capable of childbearing). Their welfare moms explained this by demonizing ALL men, turning these boys into pleaser fems.

By having Big Government siphon money from hard working Alpha males and hand it to the most Gamma, bottom of the barrel women who ever lived so they can afford kids, we allowed males to be raised by women who would otherwise have had to improve.

 

[wifehunter]

Whiney little bizatches.

No matter, no competition.

 

[darksprezzatura]

Yes. @bigneil is on point when he talks about guys being raised by single moms and absent fatherhood.


Add to this the media brainwashing and you have guys handing out their balls on a silver platter.

Lot of fathers shy away from educating their sons or even lead by example perpetuating the beta generation or life cycle.

I use the term beta as not inferior but rather as someone unknown to reality.
Betas raise betas unless something shocks his system and he unplugs to see the reality.

Watching women do unmentionable things with me while having boyfriends or to get back at their exes makes it hard to ever settle down in a monogamous relationship.

 

[wifehunter]

Happened to me, before I turned 1 year old. In the early 70s, all the moms were throwing their babies in the water.

Seriously, I could swim, before I could walk!!! Lol Explains a lot, right?

 

[wifehunter]

Yup. Same here. Born in '73.

73 here too

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Happened to me, before I turned 1 year old. In the early 70s, all the moms were throwing their babies in the water.

Seriously, I could swim, before I could walk!!! Lol Explains a lot, right?

Ha! Good skit. He was about to throw her in also!

 

[wifehunter]

Ha! Good skit. He was about to throw her in also!

Sometimes, the best way to learn, is to hit the ground running.

 

[bigneil]

Yup. Same here. Born in '73.

Ever notice almost all the best rock bands had their best albums in 1973?

Wings: Band on the Run, Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon, Led Zeppelin: Houses of the Holy, Steely Dan: Countdown to Ecstasy, Elton John: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, The Who: Quadrophenia...

They invented the slide guitar that year, sort of the difference between a piano and organ (they added sustain).

Rock and Roll reached adulthood. Then within 5 years we had disco, metal, grunge and Justin Bieber, the end.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I believe something more chemical is happening too

Its not human to have guys 35+ pushing harder at the gym than guys in their 20s, even people like me with a crappy genetic at 32 push harder than virtually 90% of young guys except for eastern europeans which apparently belong to a stronger stock

I tried 4 different gyms in the last 2 yrs and in each of them you have older guys pushing harder and working more aggressively than most guys in their 20s

 

[cola]

I believe something more chemical is happening too

Its not human to have guys 35+ pushing harder at the gym than guys in their 20s, even people like me with a crappy genetic at 32 push harder than virtually 90% of young guys except for eastern europeans which apparently belong to a stronger stock

I tried 4 different gyms in the last 2 yrs and in each of them you have older guys pushing harder and working more aggressively than most guys in their 20s

Your gym analogy, perhaps the younger guys dont know what they are doing..

For instance I'm 27 and been going to the gym doing some type of workout since 17. However I'm just learning at 27 that my body responds better to high reps.
15+ reps per set.

So maybe now it looks like I'm working out harder to a spectator .. But I just didn't have the wisdom at younger ages to know 8-10 reps didn't work as well for me.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Your gym analogy, perhaps the younger guys dont know what they are doing..

For instance I'm 27 and been going to the gym doing some type of workout since 17. However I'm just learning at 27 that my body responds better to high reps.
15+ reps per set.

So maybe now it looks like I'm working out harder to a spectator .. But I just didn't have the wisdom at younger ages to know 8-10 reps didn't work as well for me.

You have a point agree on that , I believe it was the same for all of us.

What I notice the most however is the commitment and readiness to suffer even before performances, plenty of those kids stop once it gets hard, they stop right before those last 2 reps that make the difference.

I dont see it, it's always been the same. The main change is the women not the men. I am not a fan of dating the older millennials like myself but at least they aren't ALL internet validation junkies.

Which age group do you mean by older millennials?

 

[Who Dares Win]

28-34 or so

Agree about the less need for internet social validation but at the same time their fat asses and wrinkless are a problem to me.

I dont have that high libido therefore those things are enough to kill my attraction especially fat asses cant really stand them.

Anyway totally agree about dealing with them personally as a better option.

 

[Glassguy]

The upcoming generation of men (18-24) are pvssies. They are used to living on mom and dad or worse, the system.

Look at the "millennials". They cried over the election results. They needed hot chocolate and coloring books (Ivy League college students at that). Less physical contact in high school football practice. Bull in the Ring (for those that remember that fun football drill) is banned in every state for High School football. In every aspect of life, they had adults catering to them as they grew up.

If its too hot they have to move the start time back in high school football. Everyone gets a trophy for participation. The lists goes on and on.

These people are raised on neediness and others pulling them through life. Its no wonder so many of them feel as if they NEED a woman around 24/7. Hell they probably cant take a p!ss by themselves.

 

[Plums]

I observe a lot its just my nature I pay attention to most things, I have noticed guys have become real beta men especially the younger generation. When I was back in my 20's I didn't wear my pants around my knees and I didn't act like the way they do today.

Do you think our society is changing? men have become less manlier if you can call it that?

I catch a lot of women off guard because I do live a healthier lifestyle I look 10 years younger than I really I'm. I have the maturity of a 40 year old guy but the looks of a 30 year old. I've taken online "tests" in the past and I come up with the title "Classic Alpha" I'm sure in the hell not beta.

I see many guys they are frigging whipped their woman is telling their boyfriend/husband what to do she snaps her fingers he jumps. My ex BPD is with a beta guy she snaps her fingers he jumps its amazing how much of weak a** man he is. He gets angry because she wants him to do things but he doesn't stand up to her.

It seems todays men are becoming more feminine, look at the way guys dress, metrosexual has become out of hand.

It does depend where you are, British men tend to be more assertive and give clear signals if you push them too far. American men seem to follow their women around like little lap dogs. I have also noticed that American men like to be babied a lot. I think that its because they are selfish, lazy and spoilt. It makes them emotionally immature.

 

[051AV]

I see its not my imagination that guys are becoming more beta.

 

[marmel75]

The very simple explanation is the global epidemic of declining Testosterone levels since the 1950's. Eventually there will only be one sex if it continues.

 

[zekko]

Beta is the wrong term, betas are just the majority of men in any situation, the average guys. There's no such thing as a population of only alphas - elites and leaders will always emerge from a group.

But todays's males are being demasculated and feminized.

These men advertise their servitude, and do indeed seem to think that women will love them when they act more like them.

There is a lack of masculine, male role models. Men know what they are attracted to, so they figure women will be attracted to the same thing (the feminine).

 

[Von]

Beta is the wrong term, betas are just the majority of men in any situation, the average guys. There's no such thing as a population of only alphas - elites and leaders will always emerge from a group.

But todays's males are being demasculated and feminized.

There is a lack of masculine, male role models. Men know what they are attracted to, so they figure women will be attracted to the same thing (the feminine).

Gold right here.

Like Zekko said: Beta is a word.... even among the ''most alphaness of Male Era... there were beta man... weaker man compared to the others.... Heck: The caveman or animal kingdom is a good example... 1 guy get laid with all the female of the tribes... so there is 1 alpha and many beta (weaker) male until the alpha gets replaced by another new alpha.

In my opinion, the whole world and guys primarily are starting to be lead by their ''feeling''..... why succesful woman were always considered more ''manly'' (even Hilary Clinton).... because they had to show ''MAN'' attributes to succeed. Short hair, no feeling, no smiling etc...

It's the guys who control their feelings that will be considered alpha now

 

[bigneil]

During my costume dress ups with my model, I have tried to find feminine/masculine roles for us.

1) 1939 - Gone with the Wind - Vivien Leigh (aka Scarlett O'Hara) and Rhett Butler (aka Clark Gable, the man she said she thinks is the most handsome ever). Note he was 13 years her senior.

2,3) 1966 - Star Trek - Two Star Trek babes (she was NOT Uhura!) and William Shatner (James T. Kirk, and also as a red shirt guard). Note he about 16 years older than the babes on the show.

(upcoming)

4) 1951 - High Noon - Grace Kelly and Gary Cooper as Sheriff Wil Kane - note he was 28 years her senior.

5) 1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me - Bond babe Barbara Bach and Roger Moore as 007 - note he was 20 years her senior.



Notice a trend? The role models are all from films at least 40 years old (60 years old on average!). Only William Shatner is even still alive. A lot of the young guys here don't know who all of these guys even are.

Average age difference? about 20 years. Think catty 40+ women went up to Gary Cooper back then and said he looked old enough to be Grace Kelly's dad?

Who will we do from more recent times? Brad and Angelina? He's not that masculine, and she's not that feminine (though even he is 12 years her senior). Al and Peg Bundy? Ellen and Ellen?

PS - I can tell you one thing, Rhett Butler and James T. Kirk both scored that night (more shoots forthcoming).