BPD does not exist, women are just manipulative

[Infern0]

I think there is a link between using a psychologist's frame for dating, and a difficulty of keeping the red-pill down.

As for mental health, over a quarter of American women are on psych drugs. Is that because they are really crazy, or are they the female equivalent of the guys using the same psychologists frame? Using crutches to cope with the stresses of life.

Seems like these psychiatrist cvnts are making a killing, when what they offer is complete sh*t.

One of my cousins got shamed and cajoled into seeing a therapist with his Mrs. It was counterproductive. Now that he's spinning plates, she's desperate for him back.

Psychiatry is not how the marketplace is defined.

Psychs dont offer services that actually help people with mental illness though.

What most of these people need is a really good life coach who can change their thinking.

BPD is just a pattern of behaviour that is ingrained from a young age, it is "fixable" in my opinion but the mental health community goes about it all wrong.

You are correct, they want these people coming back year on year paying $$$ for drugs that do jack ****

 

[SmooveMooves]

BPD is real. But I think I understand the point of this thread. I like to call it the WebMD phenomenon. It's already a running meme. A lot of us spend time reading about the symptoms of BPD that appear so frequently that we begin to think we are licensed psychiatrists. We read "BPD's are manipulative" and think "oh shít, my girl was manipulative too sometimes, she must have BPD!"

So we end up attributing any past failed relationships to "she was crazy" rather than any real deeper analysis. Victim 101. I post this on every BPD thread and will continue to do so:

1.6% of US population has BPD. Psychiatrists tend not to diagnose BPD unless it is egregious due to its difficulty in treatment. The disorder is often dehabilitating. However with frequency of BPD horror stories here, you would think the number is more like 70% and everyone was running around with BPD.

Was you ex girlfriend BPD? Possibly, but statically unlikely. It's much more likely that you have some inner game kinks you need to work out and your value is not as high as it should be.

I am tired of reading BPD survival stories. You guys speak as if you were chained to a pole in her basement. YOU chose her and could have left at anytime. As I said in the last BPD thread:

This BPD discussion can be explained the way most sosuave discussions can be explained: Lack of Options

The reason why BPD seems so frequent is because we have a bunch of low quality men dating bad dating prospects and lacking options. The fix is the same as its been for 25 years.

Improve your SMV, spin plates.

 

[usernamedox11]

Most the BPD stories here aren't even that bad. I don't know whether the dudes here dated BPDs or just b1tchy women that lack empathy. I think I dated two (one diagnosed as bipolar, former stripper, bisexual, molested as a child) and one that went to therapy since being a kid and was prescribed antidepressants, married & divorced at a young age, father was an alcoholic and abandoned her when she was 4 or 5, therapist accused her mom of being BPD, etc.

They were fairly high functioning in every day life, but their relationship/dating history were very rocky and filled with drama.

Are they BPD? Don't know. I do think once they get married (again in the case of the latter girl mentioned) and have kids they will become complete cluster****s for their future husbands.

None of my stories with these two girls I dated were anywhere near as bad as this: https://www.reddit.com/r/BPDlovedones/comments/4cq6ga/bpd_wife_ruined_my_life_asking_for_support/

All that happened with me was the idealization and then the sudden devaluation. I remember with the second girl I mentioned, the day prior, she told me I was the greatest guy she has ever dated, can't live without me, etc. The next day was the first day of the breakup cycle when she for some reason decided she could no longer be with me, broke up with me and then begged for me back. Was this type of behavior annoying & confusing? Yes. But it didn't "break me."

 

[bigneil]

This is you. Your position in life is taking care of a psycho. Accept responsibility and stop denying it.

Name calling is not an argument. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not "you said in March she said she had BPD". She's the best girl anyone on the forum ever dated.

Note that if you called her names in front of me I would make you cry in front of her. My girl is hotter than yours. Stop denying it.

 

[bigneil]

No, SHE said she has a BPD diagnosis lol

We are supposed to go by a woman's actions, not her words, remember?

All we know is that women officially diagnosed with BPD can be warm, loving, affectionate and consistent. Again, your BPD just didn't love you as much as mine loves me.

 

[stovepipe]

The first 10 secs is all you need to see this is a true BPD. No way in hell I could with her chit.

 

[bigneil]

I rest my case. You guys are saying all BPD women are the same??? My girl is the polar opposite of this girl. Hot, for one. No tattoos for two. No piercings. Smart. Sweet. Not on meds. Doesn't say stupid things like "My OCD". Men, date the opposite of this "angry fireball who's also on the verge of tears, like rage with sadness".

Was her psychiatrist a woman?

Actually, it was a man, who she said she was in love with.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

I rest my case. You guys are saying all BPD women are the same??? My girl is the polar opposite of this girl. Hot, for one. No tattoos for two. No piercings. Smart. Sweet. Not on meds. Doesn't say stupid things like "My OCD". Men, date the opposite of this "angry fireball who's also on the verge of tears, like rage with sadness".

Actually, it was a man, who she said she was in love with.

It's called high functioning borderline personality disorder. And there are no medications for it.

No one is saying they're "the same." Everyone who has a borderline story has the same story, in terms of its rough structure.

You are, way way way worse than anyone's story I've ever read. Most of us that have gotten past just a couple months (because that's the usual shelf life on them) have kept them at a distance so well because we actually didn't care about them. You are obsessed with this woman, she validates you. Your self esteem is abysmal. You are probably the most classic case of NPD ever presented on a pickup forum.

The story goes like this.

Idealization > Devaluation > Discard

You repeat this process until she finds a new victim.

Right now you're in the idealization stage. You can't understand because you haven't been devalued yet and the reason for that is completely arbitrary. There are plenty of stories of guys where the switch got flipped for something that wasn't even real. That's why in the DSM it's listed as "fears of abandonment, real or imagined." They are "feels are reelz" personified.

Innate to the diagnosis to BPD is splitting, or black and white thinking. Right now you are white, at some point, for some reason, you will be black.

Now surely, you have to understand the purpose behind the thread I posted about "post your successful BPD relationship here."

They don't exist. The best you can do is operate within their disorder. Right now, I'm way way way further than 99% of the guys have made it, but all of us in the BPD crew don't speak about our "pd other" as gods. We're all just in horrendous situations. These women put you on a destruction radar when the switch flips. Like coming into your place of business and melting down, poisoning you etc. That kind of stuff.

The only success stories that exist for BPD are successful relationships from the female's perspective. Basically if you're willing to be her lapdog and serve her, then you can stay. That's what happens in the relationships that have "fixed" BPD. The therapist immolates the guy, gets her to do some behavior therapy, makes the guy think everything is okay and lets her get back to being a maniac behind the scenes until she finds the replacement.

If she actually has BPD you can't escape this, you literally do not understand the purpose of her behavior or where you are at.

And did I read it right this girl is a sugar baby? And you think she's your girlfriend?

 

[bigneil]

And did I read it right this girl is a sugar baby? And you think she's your girlfriend?

Be honest: have you EVER had sex (with a woman)? You heard me mention she had BPD and how you have a 2 page sermon on how you've diagnosed her as "high functioning"? Do you have a degree in psychiatry? How much is your annual salary in your profession, seeing you consider yourself on the doctor level?

And now you want to claim age difference is a factor and that I'm not really dating her?

Who hurt you so bad that you refuse to believe that any man on Earth could ever truly be happy with a woman? I told you "She said she has BPD" and you have treated it like the Gospel, and I told you "She said she has never loved any man in her life as much as me" and you say I'm lying? Do you think you might have a slight bias toward hoping I fail with this woman, given that (let's face it) you never so much as came within 6 inches of an as-s like hers and you have steam coming out your ears?

What would it take to prove that any woman really loves any given man?

Note I have half a dozen women at my disposal at any given moment. This notion I'm obsessed overlooks the concept of options (something you've likely never experienced, hence your doom-and-gloom forecast).

BTW - want to bet $1000 I can beat you arm wrestling?

 

[cityboy989]

It's called high functioning borderline personality disorder. And there are no medications for it.

No one is saying they're "the same." Everyone who has a borderline story has the same story, in terms of its rough structure.

You are, way way way worse than anyone's story I've ever read. Most of us that have gotten past just a couple months (because that's the usual shelf life on them) have kept them at a distance so well because we actually didn't care about them. You are obsessed with this woman, she validates you. Your self esteem is abysmal. You are probably the most classic case of NPD ever presented on a pickup forum.

The story goes like this.

Idealization > Devaluation > Discard

You repeat this process until she finds a new victim.

Right now you're in the idealization stage. You can't understand because you haven't been devalued yet and the reason for that is completely arbitrary. There are plenty of stories of guys where the switch got flipped for something that wasn't even real. That's why in the DSM it's listed as "fears of abandonment, real or imagined." They are "feels are reelz" personified.

Innate to the diagnosis to BPD is splitting, or black and white thinking. Right now you are white, at some point, for some reason, you will be black.

Now surely, you have to understand the purpose behind the thread I posted about "post your successful BPD relationship here."

They don't exist. The best you can do is operate within their disorder. Right now, I'm way way way further than 99% of the guys have made it, but all of us in the BPD crew don't speak about our "pd other" as gods. We're all just in horrendous situations. These women put you on a destruction radar when the switch flips. Like coming into your place of business and melting down, poisoning you etc. That kind of stuff.

The only success stories that exist for BPD are successful relationships from the female's perspective. Basically if you're willing to be her lapdog and serve her, then you can stay. That's what happens in the relationships that have "fixed" BPD. The therapist immolates the guy, gets her to do some behavior therapy, makes the guy think everything is okay and lets her get back to being a maniac behind the scenes until she finds the replacement.

If she actually has BPD you can't escape this, you literally do not understand the purpose of her behavior or where you are at.

And did I read it right this girl is a sugar baby? And you think she's your girlfriend?

You mentioned that BPD will stay with a lapdog. Aka: a provider. I'd say that depends. If the woman isn't a cheater, I think being with a provider who she's not stimulated by will bore her after sometime. In which case, she must be pretty desperate if she chooses to commit longterm to him. Now if they're a cheater, they'll have no problem milking him while they get stimulated outside of the relationship.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

There was a guy here for years, 5String, who was married to a BPD. Last we heard of him he was finally getting a divorce but no one has seen or heard of him in a while...he used to give qualified hope to people in BPD threads too.

I've reached what can be considered a possible end game, and it's involved literally 2 years of battling and then a year straight of trying to get her to understand that she has borderline personality disorder with a couple tricks to demonstrate it to herself. I won't post about these tricks until we have a couple more years of something approaching sanity. But I have used my methods to put myself in a great position in terms of child support etc.

But when I finally let myself accept the inevitable failure was when I found a paper further discussing the mechanics of "lack of self" that definitely gave a background to my experiences. The concept that "she does not exist" for a borderline woman is true. Her need to be validated by someone is "life or death" to her. But also, so be "in love" is to be enmeshed. Totally unwinnable.

I will not discuss my "solution" until I can prove it without a doubt. And it's certainly not a "solution" it's really just the least worst way to deal with one.

I have sacrificed literally everything to reach this point. And if it doesn't work, I'll craft another post to dissuade any other man from ever attempting to "figure it out." I talked to one other guy that did roughly what I did, and he still gave up. It "worked" for a while, except it didn't.

My last shot here has basically been psychological warfare. I've gotten her to meet herself, in the same way a NPD needs to meet himself. But even that probably is not enough. And there is evidence that BPD could be the female expression of psychopathy. Which is in no way manageable.

I guess at this point I'm confronting the ability of a BPD person to exercise control over themselves and structure their own lives in a way to mitigate their own destructive nature by allowing themselves to be placed in the hands of someone who overtly tells them they are manipulating their own perception of reality.

No other solution seems viable, since it is at its root an attachment disorder.

 

[bigneil]

Sado you poor b!tch! I hope she doesn't hurt you too bad, seeing that you're probably the type of wuss who will cry for a f*cking year.

If my "BPD" girl leaves me, I'll 1) Save money as you've all insisted I should and B) switch to the next babe in the queue.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

You mentioned that BPD will stay with a lapdog. Aka: a provider. I'd say that depends. If the woman isn't a cheater, I think being with a provider who she's not stimulated by will bore her after sometime. In which case, she must be pretty desperate if she chooses to commit longterm to him. Now if they're a cheater, they'll have no problem milking him while they get stimulated outside of the relationship.

Well yeah, because that's the preferred structure for them. It's called triangulation. The guys that get chewed through in 2 months are AFCs. The low functioning ones aren't even stable enough to do that. They're just couch surfing, infinitely.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

Sado you poor b!tch! I hope she doesn't hurt you too bad, seeing that you're probably the type of wuss who will cry for a f*cking year.

If my "BPD" girl leaves me, I'll 1) Save money as you've all insisted I should and B) switch to the next babe in the queue.

Is she a sugar baby or not?

Btw you realize 90% of your posts are ego defense or trying to validate yourself right? How many people on here have to tell you that before you think maybe there's something wrong with you?

You're not admirable, you're pathetic.

 

[bigneil]

Is she a sugar baby or not?

Btw you realize 90% of your posts are ego defense or trying to validate yourself right? How many people on here have to tell you that before you think maybe there's something wrong with you?

You're not admirable, you're pathetic.

How do you define sugar baby? Really young?

Note that her sugar daddy is 76 and paid for her boob job. I'm 46 and gave her her first orgasm.

When you show us photos of your girls and members might take you seriously.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

How do you define sugar baby? Really young?

Note that her sugar daddy is 76 and paid for her boob job. I'm 46 and gave her her first orgasm.

When you show us photos of your girls and members might take you seriously.

ROFL you're dating a headcase prostitute and coming on here to school us? Listen, I'm not going to post pictures of the mother of my children, because even though I'm over a decade younger than you, I don't need to validate myself on the internet. I already went through my "meeting of the self." Enlightened guys on here will like this post, because I'm showing a high degree of knowledge in an area you desperately need.

My posts speak for themselves. I'm sorry I mixed up that she HAS a sugar daddy and you're not it. I mean honestly, that's an okay mistake to have.

> I'm 46 and gave her her first orgasm.

Escort 101.

"Oh baby, you're so special... please take care of me."

We're all glad you're happy but you're not convincing anyone here you're "big." You have what is called "a hot mess." She's pump and dump material and you're treating her like royalty. You know why she's giving you the time of day?

Because literally every other guy who ACTUALLY knows who she is laughs at the idea of doing anything except using her as a human fleshlight.

 

[BrokeBum]

ROFL you're dating a headcase prostitute and coming on here to school us? Listen, I'm not going to post pictures of the mother of my children, because even though I'm over a decade younger than you, I don't need to validate myself on the internet. I already went through my "meeting of the self." Enlightened guys on here will like this post, because I'm showing a high degree of knowledge in an area you desperately need.

My posts speak for themselves. I'm sorry I mixed up that she HAS a sugar daddy and you're not it. I mean honestly, that's an okay mistake to have.

> I'm 46 and gave her her first orgasm.

Escort 101.

"Oh baby, you're so special... please take care of me."

We're all glad you're happy but you're not convincing anyone here you're "big." You have what is called "a hot mess." She's pump and dump material and you're treating her like royalty. You know why she's giving you the time of day?

Because literally every other guy who ACTUALLY knows who she is laughs at the idea of doing anything except using her as a human fleshlight.

Neil's girl is a class act. She let's him take her to the arcade dressed in star trek to take upskirt pictures and post them on various websites.

 

[SadoMasochrist]

Neil's girl is a class act. She let's him take her to the arcade dressed in star trek to take upskirt pictures and post them on various websites.

Of course. Finest prostitute in Texastan.

 

[cityboy989]

Bigneil is a 50 year old troll who scowers these forums and picks on dudes in their 20s

 

[cityboy989]

Well yeah, because that's the preferred structure for them. It's called triangulation. The guys that get chewed through in 2 months are AFCs. The low functioning ones aren't even stable enough to do that. They're just couch surfing, infinitely.

I know of a particular single mom (early 30s) who rebounded with a total doofy-looking captain save a ho. She used to cry about how men didn't want her due to her baggage (all she knows is drama) and she was tired of getting pumped and dumped by bad boys. So she got with caption save a ho. I find it funny how women see things so black and white; "I have to choose between the boring 'nice guy" or the 'bad boy.'" This is why so many young girls go for the bad boy. They all don't know what a true alpha male is. Then again, most alpha males probably want nothing to do with them. Anyway, she milked him for over a year (surprised it lasted that long,) then dumped him. Likely because she couldn't take not being physically stimulated. She also isn't a cheater (from what I know.) So once her damaged ego was repaired to a high enough degree, she canned him. I believe she's still single now, probably banging multiple dudes like she was doing before the relationship. I feel bad for her, I know she was probably biting her nails, trying to resist banging other dudes while they were together.