In order to get hot girls, you have to really WANT to get hot girls.

[Listen_to_Olly]

I keep hearing this BS garbage like "stop putting ***** on the pedestal" and "it's all pink on the inside", whatever garbage guys say to kick other guys off the path of being hot girls.

Well here is the absolute truth about guys that get hot girls and if you want to be that guy that gets hot girls, you have to WANT to get hot girls. I mean having sex with hot girls has to be high on your priorities list IF you want to have sex with hot girls.

Because the traditional route isn't going to cut it.

Go to college -> Get white collar job -> Get promotion -> Make six figures

I was nice enough to take out the marriage kids and mortgage part but my point stands.

At no point have you taken into account things like:

1. What city am I going to live in? Is it a good or bad dating market? THIS **** MATTERS A LOT.

2. How is my life going to draw in hot girls? Why would hot girls pick some respectfully employed white collar man like me over a fun nightclub owner?

3. What obstacles am I going to face along the way?

Because guys that usually get hot girls, they centered their life at some point around it.

Playing a certain sport in high school to get hot girls.

Rushing a certain fraternity in college in order to sleep with the hottest girls on campus.

The list goes on and on, you have to get creative with it.

But you won't know sh-t if you aren't serious about getting hot girls.

You will probably live in the suburbs where everyone is married with kids instead of the fun part of the city.

You will have a lifestyle that is anti-social and counterproductive to getting hot girls.

You will probably live in a city that is generally a terrible dating market for men (San Francisco for example).

You will not even want to seek out activities and hobbies that can get you hot girls.

"But I am too good to get hot girls, getting hot girls is for losers, my life purpose is more important!"

GREAT!

Live out your dream life without hot girls but STOP LYING and STOP trying to prevent others who do want to get hot girls from hearing the truth.

This is the absolute truth about getting hot girls, to some extent (often a great one), you will have to center your entire life around it.

Do not listen to the losers out there who say you can be an MGTOW or some anti-social clown and get hot girls.

Do not listen to vague garbage such as "build your life and they will come" either, they won't!

 

[Wilko]

Olly, I think you're spot on about this, and I think it's good to get that message out there - it's worth hearing.

I just wonder how relevant it is to what most guys on SS are actually looking for.

Personally, I'm just looking for the most cost-effective, low-risk strategy to bang one 7 for a couple of months at a time. But I don't speak for everyone.

 

[bigneil]

Raise your hand if you ever lost a girl to a nightclub owner. Is Olly in the mob?

Indeed, build your life (i.e. make a living) and the will come (and have children once you can afford them). You don't center your life around women! Success with women is an emergent property of success with the world!

 

[Urbanyst]

Your main focus in life should be to build wealth. With or without hot girls around. There is no downside to having lots of money.

If you have game AND wealth, you're good to go in most situations unless you are hideous looking. Then you will need some fame or lots of power to make up for it.

Location definitely matters. Move to the city. Rural areas are for people who have given up on their dreams and take pride in mediocrity. Not a lot of hot women in rural areas if any. Hot women go where the money is.

Where you find money, you will find attractive women. People here don't want to listen to me, but its so true.

 

[marmel75]

Your main focus in life should be to build wealth. With or without hot girls around. There is no downside to having lots of money.

If you have game AND wealth, you're good to go in most situations unless you are hideous looking. Then you will need some fame or lots of power to make up for it.

Location definitely matters. Move to the city. Rural areas are for people who have given up on their dreams and take pride in mediocrity. Not a lot of hot women in rural areas if any. Hot women go where the money is.

Where you find money, you will find attractive women. People here don't want to listen to me, but its so true.

Bullcrap...I know plenty of rich people who are drug addicts, drunks and are generally miserable people...money does NOT make people happy...never has.

Making good decisions makes people happy, and money gives you the ability to make good decisions for yourself. Money in and of itself isn't going to do it.

So yeah, making money is important, but to me, as long as I'm comfortable, able to do what I want and not worry about things, money doesn't hold much value beyond that point. I'd rather have time...my time is more valuable than money to me. That means I work 40 hours with the occassional extra hour or two thrown in but no more. What's the point of making a bunch of money and then having no time to actually enjoy it?

Equating money with a life mission is only going to lead you to despair by the time you are 70 and realize your whole life has passed you by and for what??

 

[btownbuck2012]

"But I am too good to get hot girls, getting hot girls is for losers, my life purpose is more important!"

GREAT!

Live out your dream life without hot girls but STOP LYING and STOP trying to prevent others who do want to get hot girls from hearing the truth.

I find it amusing how you think guys on here who are preaching a more well rounded approach to both life and women AREN'T or HAVEN'T banged their fair share of hot women...As I told you in another one of these threads you make, that isn't the case. Maybe guys who are desperate to bang hot women and aren't currently doing so aren't aware of the pitfalls of putting every ounce of energy into that one pursuit? Maybe guys who have done that in the past AND succeeded have found it rife with troubles and are back here trying to preach a more beneficial way to go about doing things that doesn't involve NOT getting laid but again a more well rounded, meaningful way to do all the above? The f*ck about that argument don't you understand? I am honestly starting to think you've never been laid.

 

[homie]

I agree with OP, for me the first step in game was to begin to want to interact with women, have them around etc, not just having lust for sex. Before that I was afraid of them, hated and really felt uncomfortable among girls, especially hot ones. So op's words make sense for those, who are bad with girls and are at the beginning of their don-juaning, for those who are good already that won't be helpful.

 

[Urbanyst]

Bullcrap...I know plenty of rich people who are drug addicts, drunks and are generally miserable people...money does NOT make people happy...never has.

Making good decisions makes people happy, and money gives you the ability to make good decisions for yourself. Money in and of itself isn't going to do it.

So yeah, making money is important, but to me, as long as I'm comfortable, able to do what I want and not worry about things, money doesn't hold much value beyond that point. I'd rather have time...my time is more valuable than money to me. That means I work 40 hours with the occassional extra hour or two thrown in but no more. What's the point of making a bunch of money and then having no time to actually enjoy it?

Equating money with a life mission is only going to lead you to despair by the time you are 70 and realize your whole life has passed you by and for what??

This post makes no sense.

Why do you believe its one or the other? As if you can't focus on money while also focusing a lot other things. Money is #1, but not everything. I make time for health, fun, sex, friends, family and relaxation. But money is top priority after my physical and mental health. That's how you live a rich life.

Being broke and sick at age 70 means life passed you by. Not having loads of money at age 70. You have it totally backwards. Plus, my level of happiness has continued to rise the more money I make. Life is just easier and better with more money. You can't be red pill if you don't understand how important money is.

By the way, sometimes I'll work a 50 or 60 hour week. But I actually like my job so I don't mind it. If I really wanted to, I could do half-ass work and stick to a 40 hour week. But that's not how you climb to the top of the food chain.

If you are happier being lower on the food chain, that's cool with me, but don't lecture me for being more ambitious. As long as you have your health and money, everything else comes easy.

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

I find it amusing how you think guys on here who are preaching a more well rounded approach to both life and women AREN'T or HAVEN'T banged their fair share of hot women...As I told you in another one of these threads you make, that isn't the case. Maybe guys who are desperate to bang hot women and aren't currently doing so aren't aware of the pitfalls of putting every ounce of energy into that one pursuit? Maybe guys who have done that in the past AND succeeded have found it rife with troubles and are back here trying to preach a more beneficial way to go about doing things that doesn't involve NOT getting laid but again a more well rounded, meaningful way to do all the above? The f*ck about that argument don't you understand? I am honestly starting to think you've never been laid.

Kinda like the slut who took a lot of d1ck in her youth and now in her 30s she finds a problem with men in their 30s sleeping around with hot women? Now she wants them to settle down.

I can see how a lot of older guys past their prime on this forum are envious of younger guys who have the opportunity and energy to sleep with attractive women.

You seem to love riding my d1ck and posting garbage on my thread, does it bother you that much to see some guys on here sleeping with hot girls some day? Talk about crabs in a bucket!

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

Your main focus in life should be to build wealth. With or without hot girls around. There is no downside to having lots of money.

If you have game AND wealth, you're good to go in most situations unless you are hideous looking. Then you will need some fame or lots of power to make up for it.

Location definitely matters. Move to the city. Rural areas are for people who have given up on their dreams and take pride in mediocrity. Not a lot of hot women in rural areas if any. Hot women go where the money is.

Where you find money, you will find attractive women. People here don't want to listen to me, but its so true.

You do make some good points and I agree with you, build wealth but also use that wealth to create opportunities.

Tons of white collar men cannot get hot girls because they work 80+ hours a week at a nice paying job or in a career, does not free up time to get hot girls.

So do find your path to wealth but remember to use that wealth to create opportunities.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Kinda like the slut who took a lot of d1ck in her youth and now in her 30s she finds a problem with men in their 30s sleeping around with hot women? Now she wants them to settle down.
Literally a completely different thing than what I was describing. Swing and a miss.

I can see how a lot of older guys past their prime on this forum are envious of younger guys who have the opportunity and energy to sleep with attractive women.
Huh? Is that a shot at me? A. I'm not old and B. I'd be more than happy to post a few pics of the women I've been sleeping with since my breakup back in October but I'm worried you'd spend all day beating off to them and not getting any work done. You have a job, correct?

You seem to love riding my d1ck and posting garbage on my thread, does it bother you that much to see some guys on here sleeping with hot girls some day? Talk about crabs in a bucket
Again, you coming on this forum and giving other men advice to focus their entire life towards banging "hot women" is counter productive of what we're really trying to teach on this forum. In fact, guys who are actually banging high caliber women in the looks department would NEVER give them such importance because they know it's not worth it. It's far better to make women a PART of your life and turn yourself into a more well rounded individual. Again, your focus is completely out of wack and I'm still willing to bet you are a virgin.

I'm done with this thread and any other nonsense you post moving forward. Honestly, the mods should seriously considering banning you.

 

[marmel75]

This post makes no sense.

Why do you believe its one or the other? As if you can't focus on money while also focusing a lot other things. Money is #1, but not everything. I make time for health, fun, sex, friends, family and relaxation. But money is top priority after my physical and mental health. That's how you live a rich life.

Being broke and sick at age 70 means life passed you by. Not having loads of money at age 70. You have it totally backwards. Plus, my level of happiness has continued to rise the more money I make. Life is just easier and better with more money. You can't be red pill if you don't understand how important money is.

By the way, sometimes I'll work a 50 or 60 hour week. But I actually like my job so I don't mind it. If I really wanted to, I could do half-ass work and stick to a 40 hour week. But that's not how you climb to the top of the food chain.

If you are happier being lower on the food chain, that's cool with me, but don't lecture me for being more ambitious. As long as you have your health and money, everything else comes easy.

Lol...I need to want to be rich to be red pill? Nah bro. The problem with people who view money as the #1 priority in life is they think everyone shares their views. Typically the people I know with more money have more problems. They simply buy nicer and bigger things that come with nicer and bigger price tags and nicer and bigger monthly payments. In fact, I probably have more disposable income than many of them at the end of the day with my paid off car and no credit card debt.

Working 50-60 hours doesn't mean you are working hard. Usually it simply means you are working inefficiently. I've worked plenty of 50-60-70-80-90 hour weeks in my life. Big fvcking deal. Did that mean I was "working hard"? Nope...all it meant I was brainwashed into thinking that working more means getting better results. As I got older I realized that if I actually stayed focused and cut out all the non-productive activities most people engage in, I would be MORE productive working 40 hours that way than most people working 50-60 hours the other way. Research and studies bear this out as they continuously show that working more than 40 hours in a week leads to a rapid decline in productiveity to the point that a peron nearly always ends up doing nearly the same amount of work as they would have done in a 40 hour week.

Ambitious? Hahaha....I'd hardly say that. As a self-taught computer programmer who now works in the industry full time, is lead developer of an open-source project with 20+ other people working on it, has a wife and kids, and is taking a full-time class load as I go back to college to get a computer science degree(why, because I want to even though I don't need it), and a gym rat, I make plenty of money for what I need. If your thing is money, then go for it. That doesn't make you more ambitious, it simply makes your ambitions different than mine. I thirst for knowledge and becoming the best programmer I can, and am fluent in 5-6 programming languages(all self-taught---the right way via numerous resources).

My ambitions don't include being rich, money just isn't that interesting to me beyond a certain point. My ambition is to be brilliant and to walk in the room and be able to talk about any subject you want and know it better than you. And in most cases, that is true. My ambition was to be a jacked ass mofo with elite strength. I accomplished that, hitting a big 3(bench/squat/deadlift) of 1,420 lbs at 188 lbs and 9% BF 2 years ago, becoming stronger and in better shape than most people even consider possible, doing workouts that would put other people in the hospital.

Highly intelligent people don't value money, they value knowledge. Knowledge is our crack. I'm not going to be 70 and broke, my 401K is quite sizeable for someone my age. And besides, if I ever was 70 and broke, I could simply take on programming jobs and make as much money as I needed.

 

[bigneil]

No, you mean the people with more DEBT (which look like money in the form of houses, boats and ex-wive's jewelry) have more problems. Four years ago I would be on a plane to NYC to make ends meet, having to live 10 days in hotels before coming back for 4 days. That's because I didn't save enough money in my 30's. Luckily I found work from home and can now work 2 jobs and I was able to save enough that I never have to worry about how I'll pay my bills for the next year. You think that means I have more problems? That's like saying beautiful women are all mean.

I'd rather have time...my time is more valuable than money to me. That means I work 40 hours with the occassional extra hour or two thrown in but no more. What's the point of making a bunch of money and then having no time to actually enjoy it?

You're acting like we have a fixed hourly rate and your only choice is to work more hours or have less money. So if your boss called you in and said "I'm going to double your salary" you would say "Thanks but no thanks?"

If you could have enough money to not have to work at all, you wouldn't do it?

Isn't this a form of the "I'm happy the way I am and someone will love me despite the few extra pounds" mentality many women have these days?

 

[bigneil]

I can see how a lot of older guys past their prime on this forum are envious of younger guys who have the opportunity and energy to sleep with attractive women.

• Olly, want to bet me $1000 that at age 46 my girlfriend is hotter than yours?
• Want to bet me $1000 I had a higher salary when I was your age than you do now?
• Want to bet me $1000 I'll beat you in a boxing match? With one arm tied behind my back?
• Watch who you are calling "past their prime", little barback boy. (and ooh! Bruce just texted you!)
• I still suspect you are a female former barmaid named Olivia who never got over Lance, the bisexual male bartender who left her for a black bus boy in 2008.

 

[Trump]

I keep hearing this BS garbage like "stop putting ***** on the pedestal" and "it's all pink on the inside", whatever garbage guys say to kick other guys off the path of being hot girls.

Bro this isn't garbage to kick other guys off the path. It's to not value them, believe they are worth something more than they are because of movies, society and tv.

Well here is the absolute truth about guys that get hot girls and if you want to be that guy that gets hot girls, you have to WANT to get hot girls. I mean having sex with hot girls has to be high on your priorities list IF you want to have sex with hot girls.

Because the traditional route isn't going to cut it.

Go to college -> Get white collar job -> Get promotion -> Make six figures

I was nice enough to take out the marriage kids and mortgage part but my point stands.

Agree and disagree. Traditional route is not going to cut it, but wanting to sleep with hot girls does not in any way relate to getting them. It's not a cause and effect issue. I want to be a professional hockey player, but I don't have the skills. You could want hot girls but don't have the skills. Wanting something has NOTHING TO DO with getting it.

In fact, if you want it, the LESS likely it will happen.

At no point have you taken into account things like:

1. What city am I going to live in? Is it a good or bad dating market? THIS **** MATTERS A LOT.

2. How is my life going to draw in hot girls? Why would hot girls pick some respectfully employed white collar man like me over a fun nightclub owner?

3. What obstacles am I going to face along the way?

Because guys that usually get hot girls, they centered their life at some point around it.

OK bro this is kind of ridiculous thinking. You are going to pick up and move halfway across the country/world because there may or may not be more single, available, good looking, willing hot girls there? Why don't be great in the place you are in so hot girls come to you?

Hot girls shouldn't be a goal. They should be a SIDE EFFECT of what you do in life.

You will not even want to seek out activities and hobbies that can get you hot girls.

"But I am too good to get hot girls, getting hot girls is for losers, my life purpose is more important!"

GREAT!

Live out your dream life without hot girls but STOP LYING and STOP trying to prevent others who do want to get hot girls from hearing the truth.

Bro it's like you are dreamland. Who is lying and preventing others from doing ANYTHING, let alone getting hot girls? All we have ever said is do what's best for you at times. Somehow you make a thread about people preventing others from sleeping with hot girls. Very strange.

This is the absolute truth about getting hot girls, to some extent (often a great one), you will have to center your entire life around it.

Do not listen to the losers out there who say you can be an MGTOW or some anti-social clown and get hot girls.

Do not listen to vague garbage such as "build your life and they will come" either, they won't!

Come on bro. CENTER YOUR LIFE AROUND HOT GIRLS? That is pretty ridiculous. CENTER your life around them so when they decide to move on you are left alone and heartbroken.

CENTER your life around your life, hot girls come for the RIDE.

 

[bigneil]

As someone who has lived in 12 states and 25 cities I can tell you: you move where the money is, not where the women are. You leave women for money, not the other way around (or you'll quickly be alone).

 

[Urbanyst]

Lol...I need to want to be rich to be red pill? Nah bro. The problem with people who view money as the #1 priority in life is they think everyone shares their views. Typically the people I know with more money have more problems. They simply buy nicer and bigger things that come with nicer and bigger price tags and nicer and bigger monthly payments. In fact, I probably have more disposable income than many of them at the end of the day with my paid off car and no credit card debt.

Having money and being stupid are two different topics. We are just talking about money.

I have LESS problems now than ever by the way.

Working 50-60 hours doesn't mean you are working hard. Usually it simply means you are working inefficiently. I've worked plenty of 50-60-70-80-90 hour weeks in my life. Big fvcking deal. Did that mean I was "working hard"? Nope...all it meant I was brainwashed into thinking that working more means getting better results. As I got older I realized that if I actually stayed focused and cut out all the non-productive activities most people engage in, I would be MORE productive working 40 hours that way than most people working 50-60 hours the other way. Research and studies bear this out as they continuously show that working more than 40 hours in a week leads to a rapid decline in productiveity to the point that a peron nearly always ends up doing nearly the same amount of work as they would have done in a 40 hour week.

When you become more efficient, you are just given more work to do. I told you I have the choice to work 40 hours and choose sometimes to work longer because it makes sense to in order to achieve the level of quality I want my work to have. By the way, this is why I got a massive raise this year. I have actually raised the standard for quality at my job. My standard is higher than what is required of me. That is why I'm higher on the food chain than ever right now.

Ambitious? Hahaha....I'd hardly say that. As a self-taught computer programmer who now works in the industry full time, is lead developer of an open-source project with 20+ other people working on it, has a wife and kids, and is taking a full-time class load as I go back to college to get a computer science degree(why, because I want to even though I don't need it), and a gym rat, I make plenty of money for what I need. If your thing is money, then go for it. That doesn't make you more ambitious, it simply makes your ambitions different than mine. I thirst for knowledge and becoming the best programmer I can, and am fluent in 5-6 programming languages(all self-taught---the right way via numerous resources).

Looks like you are the one working inefficiently. Being the best programmer is part of the rat race. You are the best, until someone younger and smarter out does you. Money holds its value though.

I'm not banking on being the "best" anything. Such a goal depends too much on luck and time. Then you have to factor in changes in culture and technology that can make your abilities obsolete or less valuable in the coming years. You will have to constantly tread water to keep up with all the changes and new technology. It never ends for you. My goal has a very clear end --> Reach a level of wealth were I don't have to work.

Yes, I'm more ambitious than you.

My ambitions don't include being rich, money just isn't that interesting to me beyond a certain point. My ambition is to be brilliant and to walk in the room and be able to talk about any subject you want and know it better than you. And in most cases, that is true. My ambition was to be a jacked ass mofo with elite strength. I accomplished that, hitting a big 3(bench/squat/deadlift) of 1,420 lbs at 188 lbs and 9% BF 2 years ago, becoming stronger and in better shape than most people even consider possible, doing workouts that would put other people in the hospital.

Highly intelligent people don't value money, they value knowledge. Knowledge is our crack. I'm not going to be 70 and broke, my 401K is quite sizeable for someone my age. And besides, if I ever was 70 and broke, I could simply take on programming jobs and make as much money as I needed.

Its true that highly intelligent people value knowledge. The other kicker is those with knowledge value money.

So maybe you are not as highly intelligent as you think you. Or maybe you are focusing on the wrong type of knowledge.

 

[zekko]

Location definitely matters. Move to the city. Rural areas are for people who have given up on their dreams and take pride in mediocrity. Not a lot of hot women in rural areas if any. Hot women go where the money is.

I agree there is some truth to this, although girls in the rural areas probably have better values overall. For those who complain that all the women they meet are trash.

 

[bigneil]

We are just talking about money. I have LESS problems now than ever by the way. (EDIT - we estimate making $99,000 per year, $66,000 after taxes).
Being the best programmer is part of the rat race.

Wait, what are you doing for money Urbanyst?

I don't just say "I have money, ha ha". I say "I was broke until I learned I could get two contracts at $80-$85 per hour and bill 80 hours a week programming DirectX", and I earned $333,000 in the past 18 months (as a programmer and part of the rat race). That's $556 per day, 7 days per week, after taxes - for 18 months. I'm hoping someone can show me how to make more in such concise terms but people will say "why do you have such low self esteem that you feel a need to coach our sorry Millennial EBT arses off the couch?"

What do you do for money that isn't part of the rat race, and how is your making less money better than a programmer earning more, given how important money is?

You're saying money (from your secret source) is everything, but the rest of the money is just the rat race?

 

[Urbanyst]

Wait, what are you doing for money Urbanyst?

I don't just say "I have money, ha ha". I say "I was broke until I learned I could get two contracts at $80-$85 per hour and bill 80 hours a week programming DirectX", and I earned $333,000 in the past 18 months (as a programmer and part of the rat race). That's $556 per day, 7 days per week, after taxes - for 18 months. I'm hoping someone can show me how to make more in such concise terms but people will say "why do you have such low self esteem that you feel a need to coach our sorry Millennial EBT arses off the couch?"

What do you do for money that isn't part of the rat race, and how is your making less money better than a programmer earning more, given how important money is?

You're saying money (from your secret source) is everything, but the rest of the money is just the rat race?

No, money is not everything. Money is just the most important factor in modern life.

I'm totally part of the rat race. I was just staying that my goal is to get out of it, while @marmel75 is happy to say in it forever.