Beautiful people don't hang with average people, of any gender

[ThisNThat]

This is something I've noticed as of late. I typically run in social circles of average looking to fairly attractive people. Of course, beauty/handsomness is subjective...but sometimes people can reach a consensus that there can be a universal consensus on what is "beautiful"

I've come to realize this where sometimes the "average joes/janes" although some are cute and date-able...there's a certain...divide...between these types.

If anyone has ever heard of the Meetup.com site, it's a social networking site where hosts schedule events and RSVP for the events. Be it hiking, dinner and a movie, kayaking, paddle boarding, Memorial Day BBQ, and so on.

A friend of mine, he mostly hangs out with us..the "average" crowd. And sometimes he'd hold a BBQ once a year during the summer, he was doing this via Facebook though. I had noticed he had some older photos of him at gala events with more a more attractive crowd of women and also he was friends with tons of them.

I had asked him why he hadn't invited these lovely ladies to the BBQ and he said that type of stuff wasn't their "thing" and that they mostly enjoy the upscale night life venues where they dress to the nines, and pose in a line-up with wine glasses in hands for the camera and on Facebook.

That they enjoy a certain "posh" lifestyle, and they wouldn't be caught dead at a BBQ event, with sandlot volleyball

I recall one time these two Russian divorcee's showing up to our pool party. They found out about the party through word of mouth, and not on FB...very attractive women, but they were kind of hanging together...men would attempt to talk to them, but they'd be very stand-offish, but nice/cordial.

It's like they had nothing better to do that night or something, and they left early. Later I saw them on FB and most of their photos indicated that posh nightlife..with upscale friends of the community.

Anyhow, kind of rambling on here, but you get the point. Sometimes they would SKIRT our "average looking" circles on occasion with some overlap...but when I would see an average looking friend who had befriended them...it was at an acquaintance level.

I would recall, "DAMN, EVERY single one of these wlomen in the group photos is a 9 or 10", do they not hang out with average looking people?

Apparently not. lol They may slip up and skirt their average joes/janes on occasion, but you'll likley not ever see them again.

Am I pretty on par with my observation here? Have you experienced this. Do you YOURSELF admit to being in these posh, upscale night venue circles where a drink costs 12 dollars.

 

[Trunks]

I would say so, based on my observations as well.

 

[resilient]

Yeah. I was going to a board game + brewery night with a highly active large Meetup group about once a month for a while over the last six months or so. The ladies at the large venue were never north of HB6.5 sadly. While a majority of the dudes dressed unkempt, nerdy fantasy black t-shirts shirts with vibrant colors of sky, clouds, dragons, swords, orcs, etc. were mostly pudgy. There was generally 1-2 dudes that hit the gym hard and dressed the part. They had more confidence, calm, cool, laid back and got looks.

Also worth noting, that if your set has average looks or the girl you approach is below average, the better looking HB at the venue subtly will pick up on this with a sideways glance and downgrade your SMV just by association.

As the ol' saying goes, "birds of a feather flock together."

 

[ThisNThat]

Yeah. I was going to a board game + brewery night with a highly active large Meetup group about once a month for a while over the last six months or so. The ladies at the large venue were never north of HB6.5 sadly. While a majority of the dudes dressed unkempt, nerdy fantasy black t-shirts shirts with vibrant colors of sky, clouds, dragons, swords, orcs, etc. were mostly pudgy. There was generally 1-2 dudes that hit the gym hard and dressed the part. They had more confidence, calm, cool, laid back and got looks.

Also worth noting, that if your set is average looks or the girl you approach is below average, the better looking HB at the venue will downgrade your SMV just by association.

As the ol' saying goes, "birds of a feather flock together."

Like the guy on the right?

Of course, you ARE suppose to dress for the occasion, yes? Game Night?

Yeah, where I go...a lot of grotesquely, unkempt obese types ( mean, come on..at least run a comb through your hair!)...both men and women, below 6.5 in looks. (What does the HB stand for?) These people scarf down candy bars, chips and sodas all night long. Hardly any protein. Just empty calories. I think every month they show up for game night, they continue to grow wider.

A 4 x 4...as tall as they are wide. There's this one slender guy, actually nicely cleaned up guy with a chubby girl for a g/f. She's cute (too many tats for my taste)...but she could lose some weight. Didn't think they were together at first. lol

There is one woman, that...no joke, farts while playing board games. No shame whatsoever. lol

 

[resilient]

OP, yes, one should dress to the occasion. However, how does one person stand out from the next person? How's the person's BMI (Body Mass Index)? Comb the air, shower, brush & floss teeth, use deodorant. Accessories that reflect one's lifestyle/values/beliefs/hobbies. Basic hygiene should be a must whether the person is a nerd, hill billy, rock and roller, surfer, whatever...

The game is everywhere.

Anywhere where two or more people are gathered you have a set.

Parties, weddings, (yes.. funerals too), school/class, church, hiking, happy hours, conventions, networking events, etc.

Game dynamics are always in full swing.

Some venues are rigged for higher hookups or dating ops than others.

Also in effect is b!tch shields. Those shields will be sky high if it's a venue of 9s and 10s. Basic PUA stuff. HB = hot babe...

 

[Rainman4707]

Yes, the more beautiful a girl, the more she will act like she needs to be doted on/centre of attention.

I still know I can attract ANY girl & have her begging me to fu*k her.

 

[Urbanyst]

This should be pretty obvious. It goes back to abundance and the supply vs. demand rule. Those with more options choose the higher options.

For example, as a white collar guy making good money, I'm not really interested in hanging out with homeless people or people working as window washers. Its not that I look down on them.. its just that my lifestyle is totally different and I would have nothing much in common with them. On top of that, I have better options. I have access to men on my level who are closer to my situation. So why would I bother with the window washer and try to be his friend?

For women.. looks elevate them to that high level. When you are high level you seek out other high level people you can related to and you try to date high level men. You have nothing to talk about with average backyard BBQ Joe's. You cannot related to that lifestyle and you have access to better options. People more on your level. So engaging the BBQ Joe's and getting drooled on by men you are not attracted to at all is not worth your time.

Same as most of us would not try hard to bond with a fat girl or hang out with a group of fatties. If she was nice we would show her respect, but we would keep our distance and make her do all the work of trying to engage us. That's how it works. Water seeks its own level.

 

[Infern0]

As an observation on this.

When i very first started to come out of my AFC ways, i put a gib emphasis on my appearence, begun lifting, eating right, bettr clothes etc.

At tge very start i used to hang out with two guys who were a lot better looking than me.

At that stage i was skinnyfat, didnt dress too well and generally looked worse due to poor health.

Well i remember when id go to parties with those dudes i really felt unwelcome, like the girls they hung with were straight bitches to me, i even remember being at the clubs and one of the dudes was like "hey lets go talk to jess" so we went over and she literally rolled her eyes at me.

Bear in mind i wasnt trying anything with them. Also the other dudes in the group were just dismissive of me.

Well fast forward 18 months of lifting and living better plus taking care in my appearence and i get invited to one of those dudes housewarming so i go.

And what do you know, suddenly everyone wants to talk to me, that jess girl is following me around all night grabbing my arm and all that.

Ended up screwing another one and she said, and ill never forget this: "i dont just want to have sex with you because you are in shape now"

(Remove the dont to get the truth)

The difference in how you look is just crazy. Dropping 6% bodyfat and gaining 20lbs lean mass, plus a decent haircut and fashionable clothes. Thats all that changed and i went from pariah to popular with the hot sluts.

If you look like **** you are handicapping yourself. Its a superficial world we live in.

 

[ThisNThat]

As an observation on this.

When i very first started to come out of my AFC ways, i put a gib emphasis on my appearence, begun lifting, eating right, bettr clothes etc.

At tge very start i used to hang out with two guys who were a lot better looking than me.

At that stage i was skinnyfat, didnt dress too well and generally looked worse due to poor health.

Well i remember when id go to parties with those dudes i really felt unwelcome, like the girls they hung with were straight bitches to me, i even remember being at the clubs and one of the dudes was like "hey lets go talk to jess" so we went over and she literally rolled her eyes at me.

Bear in mind i wasnt trying anything with them. Also the other dudes in the group were just dismissive of me.

Personally, after that experience, I would have found a new set of friends altogether.

Well fast forward 18 months of lifting and living better plus taking care in my appearance and i get invited to one of those dudes housewarming so i go.

And what do you know, suddenly everyone wants to talk to me, that jess girl is following me around all night grabbing my arm and all that.

Ended up screwing another one and she said, and ill never forget this: "i dont just want to have sex with you because you are in shape now"

(Remove the dont to get the truth)

The difference in how you look is just crazy. Dropping 6% bodyfat and gaining 20lbs lean mass, plus a decent haircut and fashionable clothes. Thats all that changed and i went from pariah to popular with the hot sluts.

Maybe...but I don't involve myself with "hot sluts" at any capacity, and why would I was I'm looking for a legitimate relationship, not a bang. I mean, I work out and dress pretty decent for the occasion. I guess an outdoor BBQ/pool party is beneath some others who are against wearing flip-flops and a baseball cap.

Granted, I do work out...but...I still don't have the "genes" when it comes to look when it comes to facial structure that attract most women, height, etc. Was even told by a personal trainer that I couldn't get that big because of my smaller frame...so I'm just toned. Just think body of a marathon runner.

You could say I don't fall into the "tall, dark and handsome" types that so many average, pudgy Janes choose to pursue.

I'm not swimming in hotties, but I attract a lady here and there. Of course, I'm all about quality, not quantity.

 

[ThisNThat]

For women.. looks elevate them to that high level.

I often wonder, would a hot, 40-something waitress...still elevate herself high, even though she's just a single mom, trying to make ends meet?

 

[Infern0]

Personally, after that experience, I would have found a new set of friends altogether.

Well those two guys were good to me, they encouraged me to get in the gym and built me up, they were good dudes. I just dont think they understood that their friends were superficial and only nice to them because they were good looking "chad" types.

To be honest we all are superficial in our own way, although i try not to be, im not going to go out of my way to talk to fat ugly chicks for instance. I think its just an area we need to be realistic about.

As for the rest of the post, to each their own.

 

[ThisNThat]

Well those two guys were good to me, they encouraged me to get in the gym and built me up, they were good dudes. I just dont think they understood that their friends were superficial and only nice to them because they were good looking "chad" types.

To be honest we all are superficial in our own way, although i try not to be, im not going to go out of my way to talk to fat ugly chicks for instance. I think its just an area we need to be realistic about.

As for the rest of the post, to each their own.

I know what you mean, I'm not trying to besmirch you, it's great that you improved yourself there. True, I have a "tipping point" of who I don't find attractive, nor want to encourage an attraction from...although, I do consider my standards less superficial than most and the women I've dated and that I've attracted...every one of them...didn't care about looks, and more more into personality than character...even though they were on the cute side themselves....not head turners, but pretty.

One was an American-Russian woman that told me point blank she cared nothing of looks...I was kind of surprised because she was quite pretty herself and you'd figured she'd be into handsome men. Didn't continue to see her because she was kind of bossy/demanding/different beliefs...but that's another story.

I think that's why my dates are less frequent, because I have these rare occasions where I come across women that point blank say they don't care about looks. Those are unicorns. lol

 

[bigneil]

I often wonder, would a hot, 40-something waitress...still elevate herself high, even though she's just a single mom, trying to make ends meet?

There aren't enough of them to count. Though I do know that hot 30-something waitresses who are single moms and barmaids will still choose 28 year old guys over men in their 40's who could actually provide for them. That's a weird age where women suddenly want guys their age, after not caring what age a guy was in their 20's.

 

[Dingo]

I'm decent looking and can move in those beautiful people circles no problem....

but...

I'd rather hang out with the average guy or girl than some vapid a-hole or beauty queen ANY DAY.

 

[skinnyguy]

I stopped going to meetups because I was dumpster diving. It is laughable seeing a bunch of guys compete for an HB 5. Where I live, the hot women only go to exclusive venues so it's tough. But I told myself I wouldn't lower my standards just to get some ass. I'm willing to go without sex for a year if it means not ****ing an average girl with no body.

I believe social circle game is the way to go for a lot of these hot girls. It's all about validation for them. If you aren't some random **** to them you will get taken seriously.

 

[ThisNThat]

I stopped going to meetups because I was dumpster diving.

Well, that's your opinion, I'll disagree with you on that.


Where I live, the hot women only go to exclusive venues so it's tough. But I told myself I wouldn't lower my standards just to get some ass. I'm willing to go without sex for a year if it means not ****ing an average girl with no body.[/QUOTE]

I avoid those venues altogether, and I'll stick to the 5s.

 

[devilkingx2]

On top of that, I have better options. I have access to men on my level who are closer to my situation. So why would I bother with the window washer and try to be his friend?

that's kinda messed up, you know?

 

[BeExcellent]

This is pretty normal social behavior.

It is a self sorting thing cuts not only by physical attractiveness but also by socioeconomic status.

In short, if you want hot beautiful women, go where they go & be someone they will hang out with.

That may mean you need to upgrade your looks, finances, body, etc., like @Tenacity has done.

If you don't want to go to the trouble of improving yourself that way...the hot women (generally) will not acknowledge you as they have too many other choices.

And some people got hit with the lucky genetic stick. That's the way it is folks.

It's like I tell my son about grades to get into college: MIT requires straight A's. You have to make straight A's just to be CONSIDERED. If you aren't up for making the effort to make those kind of grades....no worries. Thousands of other people will. MIT will select from those who meet their requirements for inclusion/consideration.

Hot women are no different. That hot women move in exclusive social circles should not be a surprise.

 

[QuadDeuces]

When ugly people start hanging out with beautiful people they will start to dress better, eat better and work out more and become more beautiful too.
You are the average of the 5 people closest to you.

 

[KingBeef]

As an observation on this.

When i very first started to come out of my AFC ways, i put a gib emphasis on my appearence, begun lifting, eating right, bettr clothes etc.

At tge very start i used to hang out with two guys who were a lot better looking than me.

At that stage i was skinnyfat, didnt dress too well and generally looked worse due to poor health.

Well i remember when id go to parties with those dudes i really felt unwelcome, like the girls they hung with were straight bitches to me, i even remember being at the clubs and one of the dudes was like "hey lets go talk to jess" so we went over and she literally rolled her eyes at me.

Bear in mind i wasnt trying anything with them. Also the other dudes in the group were just dismissive of me.

Well fast forward 18 months of lifting and living better plus taking care in my appearence and i get invited to one of those dudes housewarming so i go.

And what do you know, suddenly everyone wants to talk to me, that jess girl is following me around all night grabbing my arm and all that.

Ended up screwing another one and she said, and ill never forget this: "i dont just want to have sex with you because you are in shape now"

(Remove the dont to get the truth)

The difference in how you look is just crazy. Dropping 6% bodyfat and gaining 20lbs lean mass, plus a decent haircut and fashionable clothes. Thats all that changed and i went from pariah to popular with the hot sluts.

If you look like **** you are handicapping yourself. Its a superficial world we live in.

The world is very superficial and we all know that. If you want to compete out there you have to be "the Best version of yourself in all aspects"....PERIOD