Would rather have a top quality solid plate / LTR than spin plates

[BeTheChange]

One thing I've come to realise since the dissolution of my LTR last summer is that spinning plates is incredibly time consuming. The more picky you are, the more work you have to put in - approaches, going out, more rejection and higher levels of flakiness.

There's a massive opportunity cost. In my case between my full time job, salsa, the gym, property development and management and trying to find new plates I have zero time during the week to focus on my side business, which has basically deteriorated into nothing.

My LTR had some serious problems but it did give me the time to focus on other things and to my ex's credit I doubt I would have achieved the degree of financial success I have so far without a live in gf who basically played the supportive wife role (when she wasn't going nuclear anyway). It definitely feels like pursuing women is going to compromise any long term wealth building goals. It seems as if I really have two choices:

(1) Settle for an easier to find, low maintenance plate - which is basically "lower" quality since the 22 year old HB9s won't just roll over for any guy

(2) Keep pursuing the "top" chicks at the potential expense of long term wealth building and financial success

I can see why guys leave the game so quickly once they get an LTR on the go. I'm even starting to see the appeal of MGTOW. It's all about cost- benefit.

 

[AlphaNate]

You're talking about JUST money, though. Which is fine, if you just want money. Hell, money is one of the three things women look for (personality, wealth, looks).

But you're dismissing the abundance mentality that many of us find useful in being a high-value male.

 

[devilkingx2]

There's a massive opportunity cost. In my case between my full time job, salsa, the gym, property development and management and trying to find new plates I have zero time during the week to focus on my side business, which has basically deteriorated into nothing.

your plate sounds way too full as it is. you work a full time job and have a side business and property development and management? wtf? not a fan of work-life balance huh? lol

(1) Settle for an easier to find, low maintenance plate - which is basically "lower" quality since the 22 year old HB9s won't just roll over for any guy

(2) Keep pursuing the "top" chicks at the potential expense of long term wealth building and financial success

so what you're saying is that you only want to date supermodels but supermodels are too high maintenance?

...I only want to drive a lamborghini, but I can't afford a lamborghini, what do I do? should I just not have a car?

 

[AlphaNate]

...I only want to drive a lamborghini, but I can't afford a lamborghini, what do I do? should I just not have a car?

SS in a nutshell

 

[BeTheChange]

You're talking about JUST money, though. Which is fine, if you just want money. Hell, money is one of the three things women look for (personality, wealth, looks).

But you're dismissing the abundance mentality that many of us find useful in being a high-value male.

Not really. Opportunity cost in seeking out the hottest plates is less directly about money and more about time.

your plate sounds way too full as it is. you work a full time job and have a side business and property development and management? wtf? not a fan of work-life balance huh? lol



so what you're saying is that you only want to date supermodels but supermodels are too high maintenance?

...I only want to drive a lamborghini, but I can't afford a lamborghini, what do I do? should I just not have a car?

You're 19 so I don't expect too much wisdom from you.

Plus your analogy is flawed.

A better metaphor might be, should I buy the lamborghini I can afford or put that money elsewhere.

 

[devilkingx2]

You're 19 so I don't expect too much wisdom from you.

my wisdom is literally infinite, and using that literally infinite wisdom I will tell you that amassing wealth will be pointless if you've left yourself no time to enjoy it.

A better metaphor might be, should I buy the lamborghini I can afford or put that money elsewhere.

but the sensible answer is still "can't you just get a normal person's version of a nice car and yet still have plenty of money left to do other things?"

like, why not plate an HB7 22 year old who won't need so much of your time so you can continue to waste it all on working? lol.

 

[Reykhel]

@devilkingx2 .........because he does not want to settle.

Why settle? Why not ask, how do I get what I want?

I agree with @BeTheChange .....it is a fvkcing time issue...well, time and energy.............why spin three average plates putting all your energy and time into it, and meanwhile the more important goals and pursuits in your life are not getting adequate attention....

The problem (or maybe danger or fear) for a lot of men, is that if they have not experienced spinning plates AND the ability to detach (create a buffer between you and your plates, it can be quite difficult to say...."ok I only have the time and energy for one right now as I need the time and energy for more important pursuits" without getting attached to the one.....

If you know how to detach and keep that buffer, then it's easy to entertain one plate/ltr without all of this "oneitis" setting in.......if you stay awake and the attitude that, this will end when it ends and I'll simply replace her when that time comes. If I so choose.

 

[devilkingx2]

@devilkingx2 .........because he does not want to settle.

Why settle? Why not ask, how do I get what I want?

in my opinion, spinning 3 HB7s would be a better and more worthwhile experience than only one HB9

since the premise is that he doesn't have the time and energy to spin 3 HB9s, his choice is between one 9 and 3 7's, so my opinion would be that 3 7's is a much better use of his time because LTRs suck and one girl isn't enough if you're not in an LTR

 

[TheFixer14]

I think in a perfect situation I'd way rather have a solid LTR plate versus spinning four. But unfortunately most women are not LTR material.

 

[Reykhel]

I think in a perfect situation I'd way rather have a solid LTR plate versus spinning four. But unfortunately most women are not LTR material.

Observe that like maturity will most like match/attract like maturity.......

Observe it....for example the perennial bad boy, will continue seducing and bedding women, but you can be sure they will
be low self esteem women with personal issues....

It's very difficult to tell if any woman is "LTR material" right off the bat. You got to test drive them. Filter them.

Know who you are and know the kind of woman that you want. Create a personal blueprint.

 

[Reykhel]

I observe they seduce and bed whoever they want

Whoever they want? Really? Where are you observing this?

Can you point me in the direction of these mythical men? That I may throw myself at their feet and model their
game and surely I can seduce and bed "whoever I want". Maybe even if I just drink the same kool aid....

I've faith in my own ability, but I've never had the arrogance to believe that I could bed "whoever I wanted"..

There are just way too many variables at play......

Are you sure you're getting out much in 2017????

 

[Reykhel]

Ever heard of hyperbole?

Is it a nightclub?

... .... ..... ....

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Observe that like maturity will most like match/attract like maturity.......

Observe it....for example the perennial bad boy, will continue seducing and bedding women, but you can be sure they will
be low self esteem women with personal issues....

It's very difficult to tell if any woman is "LTR material" right off the bat. You got to test drive them. Filter them.

Know who you are and know the kind of woman that you want. Create a personal blueprint.

For every man there is a fork in the road. They can either choose to better themselves, and pursue better women, or just pursue women and stay the same.

 

[Tenacity]

One thing I've come to realise since the dissolution of my LTR last summer is that spinning plates is incredibly time consuming. The more picky you are, the more work you have to put in - approaches, going out, more rejection and higher levels of flakiness.

There's a massive opportunity cost. In my case between my full time job, salsa, the gym, property development and management and trying to find new plates I have zero time during the week to focus on my side business, which has basically deteriorated into nothing.

My LTR had some serious problems but it did give me the time to focus on other things and to my ex's credit I doubt I would have achieved the degree of financial success I have so far without a live in gf who basically played the supportive wife role (when she wasn't going nuclear anyway). It definitely feels like pursuing women is going to compromise any long term wealth building goals. It seems as if I really have two choices:

(1) Settle for an easier to find, low maintenance plate - which is basically "lower" quality since the 22 year old HB9s won't just roll over for any guy

(2) Keep pursuing the "top" chicks at the potential expense of long term wealth building and financial success

I can see why guys leave the game so quickly once they get an LTR on the go. I'm even starting to see the appeal of MGTOW. It's all about cost- benefit.

I've been having the same problem. I just DON'T have a lot of extra time to go out and meet chicks like that, which is why I end up over-using Online Dating a lot.

Spinning plates has also gotten very old to me. I have plates that I'm just ignoring now and I haven't really done much of anything with women most of 2017. Why? I just don't have the passion for it anymore. It's why I didn't do SHYT for Valentine's Day last month and flaked on 3 women.

If I could get 1 QUALITY chick that I actually liked, I would take that anyday over these mediocre "plates". The 33 year old Tenacity has just been there and done that. The shyt is old and stupid to me now.

 

[devilkingx2]

If I could get 1 QUALITY chick that I actually liked, I would take that anyday over these mediocre "plates". The 33 year old Tenacity has just been there and done that. The shyt is old and stupid to me now.

old age starts in the mind, not the body.

 

[AlphaNate]

I've been having the same problem. I just DON'T have a lot of extra time to go out and meet chicks like that, which is why I end up over-using Online Dating a lot.

Spinning plates has also gotten very old to me. I have plates that I'm just ignoring now and I haven't really done much of anything with women most of 2017. Why? I just don't have the passion for it anymore. It's why I didn't do SHYT for Valentine's Day last month and flaked on 3 women.

If I could get 1 QUALITY chick that I actually liked, I would take that anyday over these mediocre "plates". The 33 year old Tenacity has just been there and done that. The shyt is old and stupid to me now.

Don't dump this on us without a solution! What's the plan for those of us that feel this way, in your opinion?

 

[RangerMIke]

Never settle for less than you think you deserve. With women it really doesn't work. You could take some trailer park trash and move her into your mansion treat her like a princess, and you might think she would appreciate you and be grateful. She will at first.... but since chicks are emotional, and they can not process sh!t rationally, what is happening to her becomes the NORM. They live in the moment, and in the moment she is someone who lives in a mansion... where she came from no longer matters, and where she might be going hasn't happened yet, so why give a fvck.

No matter what you give a chick, her instinctual drive is to always look for more.... Why? Because in pre-history, when human being evolved, she not only needed things for her, but also her children, and children were her future security. The more she could garner, the more children she could have. This is why chicks get baby rabies when the turn 30 and have no children... they start to panic, because instinct tells her she is at risk.

Men accumulate resources as a mating strategy: women consume resources as a mating strategy. This is why the typical woman can never really be happy in a relationship with a man the earns less than she does.

It is very risky getting into any exclusive relationship with any chick, and as soon as you do, the only thing that will work is to NEVER let her push you off center, as much as she nags and pouts, and tries to emotionally manipulate you into something she THINKS she wants, you are headed towards misery or break-up.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Men accumulate resources as a mating strategy: women consume resources as a mating strategy. This is why the typical woman can never really be happy in a relationship with a man the earns less than she does.

I find that it is a lot easier to acquire an atypical woman than it is to be rich.

I'm just now figuring out that the older woman I have been seeing for the past few weeks is loaded. Or at least she makes a lot more money than she finds a way to spend. She has plenty of money already, so she doesn't need that from me.

It's not like I went looking for a rich woman. I do screen out women who care about money. A lot of them really don't, believe it or not, some of them because they already have enough of it.

 

[devilkingx2]

Never settle for less than you think you deserve. With women it really doesn't work. You could take some trailer park trash and move her into your mansion treat her like a princess, and you might think she would appreciate you and be grateful. She will at first.... but since chicks are emotional, and they can not process sh!t rationally, what is happening to her becomes the NORM. They live in the moment, and in the moment she is someone who lives in a mansion... where she came from no longer matters, and where she might be going hasn't happened yet, so why give a fvck.

No matter what you give a chick, her instinctual drive is to always look for more.... Why? Because in pre-history, when human being evolved, she not only needed things for her, but also her children, and children were her future security. The more she could garner, the more children she could have. This is why chicks get baby rabies when the turn 30 and have no children... they start to panic, because instinct tells her she is at risk.

Men accumulate resources as a mating strategy: women consume resources as a mating strategy. This is why the typical woman can never really be happy in a relationship with a man the earns less than she does.

It is very risky getting into any exclusive relationship with any chick, and as soon as you do, the only thing that will work is to NEVER let her push you off center, as much as she nags and pouts, and tries to emotionally manipulate you into something she THINKS she wants, you are headed towards misery or break-up.

a woman who truly lives in the moment wouldn't be overly concerned with resources because that'd be future planning

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

This is where different attitudes collide.

In the last 3-4 years I've probably spun 2 or 3 plates at any one given moment time as a maximum, for the following two reasons:

-Time
Seeing the same 3 plates every 10 calendar days (an average to keep each one spinning), that's a third of evenings every month. One every three nights.... That's not a lot if time is managed correctly. Anything more than that starts to get too time consuming though.

-Quality Assurance
I could easily be banging a bunch or 5's and 6's all the time. But I don't. I'm not so desperate that I have to set standards that low. I'd rather either spend time with friends, pursue hobbies or go out meeting women that I potentially want to keep on rotation. There's no benefit pursuing or banging a plate that has no potential to develop further. For me, each girl is auditioning as a potential gf, and I cast them as such. Each to their own though.

For me, this is the most efficient method; not wasting time on poor quality, while not investing too much too soon, keeping options open.