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Nature of modern relationships are a selfish one?

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I saw on another message board, POF, that was really impactive. It was a subject of women wondering "Where are all the decent guys?"

Here's an excerpt, but it appears to be a reality of the situation we,as men, must accept and go along with it?

There's an emphasis on the division of labor and now it no longer really exists. Women had their roles, men had theirs and now...they only reason people will want teach other, these days, is the sex and companionship which is often times expendable once you grow weary or tired of the person in a few years.

The problem is that the overwhelming majority of people on dating sites are the "bad ones". The so-called "decent ones" are grossly out of step with reality and can't come to grips with how the world has changed. The bare fact of the matter is that there is no longer any natural basis for a relationship. A long term relationship is an impediment to the well being of average men and women. Only the continuous drum beat of the tradcons and the profit driven deception of Madison Avenue keeps the ridiculous notion of relationships alive.

In the old days, relationships developed as a cooperative division of labor based upon common goals. In the 21st century, there is no need for a division of labor; there are no common goals. This is best demonstrated by the coffee shop feminist mantra, "I don't need a man but I want a man". They don't need a man. That is absolutely true. They want a man. That is true too but it's not about their lives being better with one. They want a man only because they have been told that they want one.

Women routinely reject men that their great grandmothers would have grabbed in an instant. Great grand mother needed a man that could deliver the goods. Women, today, get the goods by other means. They don't need men. The incentive must go above and beyond "normal" to make it worth attaching themselves to an abuser. It usually doesn't.

As to men, they used to need a woman that could keep the home fires burning. Nowadays, a vacuum cleaner does a better job in 10 minutes than a woman beating the rugs for three hours. What a woman could cook in 6 hours can come from a microwave in 6 minutes. Every man that has been in the military knows how to clean, make a bed and fold clothes.

Then there is the children canard. In the days of family farms and family businesses, children were an asset. Because of the welfare state, children are still an asset to women but getting less and less so every day. To men though, especially corporate drones and manual laborers, children are a severe liability.

The average man cannot improve the life of the average single mother in any meaningful way. She passes on Joe Average. As soon as a man has secured some pvssy, a woman has nothing more to offer him. He disappears as soon as another source of easy poon makes itself available. Seeking a relationship requires the same level of gullibility as wiring money to a billionaire stranded in Nigeria. A sucker is born every minute so the relationship hustle will last a while more.


It is kind of sad though, but considering men know how to cook their own food, make their own beds, do their own dishes. The division of Labor is absent.

And i Had to nod my head vigorously at how the great grandmothers of the day would snap some of the average Joe's right up in an instant as compared to the women of today.

It often makes me wonder why people even bother marrying in the 21st century.

Do you there was something to our forefather's marriages that reinforced a love from a woman back then? Was there some kind of bond, romantic even, that stimulated the nature of marriages/relationships just in the pre-industrial or even the pre-to-post War War II era?

You didn't have to worry about flaking hardly back then that's for sure. If a woman said yes to a date, she committed herself to it 100%.
 

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I saw on another message board, POF, that was really impactive. It was a subject of women wondering "Where are all the decent guys?"
The answer to their question is simple, they're not being decent themselves. That's all there is to their complaints, the lack of understanding for the fact that they only attract at or below their own level. A good woman will not take a sh!tty man and a good man will not take a sh!tty woman.

The real issue here is inflated sense of self, a complete ignorance towards the fact that they're not as "decent" as the partner they seek.

Your explanation is unnecessarily complex and I disagree with large portions of it.
 

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I disagree. I know modern society thinks they do it all them self. But no one does. An "average" man can help a large quantities of women due to the fact she doesn't have to carry all of the financial load and chores and responsibility can be spread. It leaves more time for enjoying life.
 

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An average man doesn't take home as much money in a year as the average welfare mom, hence he can't improve her life much.

End the welfare state and watch women suddenly become very friendly to men again.
 

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The problem is that the overwhelming majority of people on dating sites are the "bad ones". The so-called "decent ones" are grossly out of step with reality and can't come to grips with how the world has changed. The bare fact of the matter is that there is no longer any natural basis for a relationship. A long term relationship is an impediment to the well being of average men and women. Only the continuous drum beat of the tradcons and the profit driven deception of Madison Avenue keeps the ridiculous notion of relationships alive.
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This is just plain wrong. A decent educated guy makes his own reality. He will carve a cosmos out of the chaos.

Actually, this really gets to the crux of the problem. Modern thought is very democratic and mass-minded; we think there is some reality which we must adapt ourselves to. The classical way of thinking was very different; you create order from chaos in your own life... at the existential level. This appears heroic to us today.
 
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An average man doesn't take home as much money in a year as the average welfare mom, hence he can't improve her life much.

End the welfare state and watch women suddenly become very friendly to men again.
Are you losing it big boy?

You know as well as i do, how much a man earns has little correlation with how much he can improve a womans life
 

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Are you losing it big boy?

You know as well as i do, how much a man earns has little correlation with how much he can improve a womans life
No, you are losing it. You are confusing men and women now. It is how much a woman earns that has little correlation with how much she can improve a man's life.

How much a man earns has everything to do with how much he can improve a woman's life.
 

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In the old days, relationships developed as a cooperative division of labor based upon common goals. In the 21st century, there is no need for a division of labor; there are no common goals. This is best demonstrated by the coffee shop feminist mantra, "I don't need a man but I want a man". They don't need a man. That is absolutely true. They want a man. That is true too but it's not about their lives being better with one. They want a man only because they have been told that they want one.
This is a pretty good article IMO. It explains the changing dynamics of relationships and why more people don't value them as much as they used to.

Regarding the part I quoted: That is so, but we as men can just as easily say "I don't need a woman but I want a woman".

How much a man earns has everything to do with how much he can improve a woman's life.
Don't know about that, but I know how much I earn has a lot to do with how much I can improve my life.
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This is a pretty good article IMO. It explains the changing dynamics of relationships and why more people don't value them as much as they used to.

Regarding the part I quoted: That is so, but we as men can just as easily say "I don't need a woman but I want a woman".


Don't know about that, but I know how much I earn has a lot to do with how much I can improve my life.
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Yeah, for instance...there was this couple I was friends with for a good while. If you were to meet them, you could indeed picture them together and on the cover of Gander Mtn. magazine. VERY active, 50-somethings. Mtn Biking, went traveling west to the national parks a few times, did a lot of traveling together, etc.

They were together for 5 years.

When I found out they broke up (she ended it) I was like "Whaaaa??" HE didn't want it to end, but she did.

Now, she's been doing a lot of world traveling...but solo and, that was one of the reasons she ended things. She simply wanted to travel, but do it without him. Just wanted to be single again I suppose.

Maybe she got tired of being in close proximity to him when on the road, traveling?
 

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Yeah, for instance...there was this couple I was friends with for a good while. If you were to meet them, you could indeed picture them together and on the cover of Gander Mtn. magazine. VERY active, 50-somethings. Mtn Biking, went traveling west to the national parks a few times, did a lot of traveling together, etc.

They were together for 5 years.

When I found out they broke up (she ended it) I was like "Whaaaa??" HE didn't want it to end, but she did.

Now, she's been doing a lot of world traveling...but solo and, that was one of the reasons she ended things. She simply wanted to travel, but do it without him. Just wanted to be single again I suppose.

Maybe she got tired of being in close proximity to him when on the road, traveling?
I reckon it's consumerism [incessant traveling signifies that]... there's always something bigger, brighter, better.. and the void just gets bigger and bigger.
 

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Yeah, for instance...there was this couple I was friends with for a good while. If you were to meet them, you could indeed picture them together and on the cover of Gander Mtn. magazine. VERY active, 50-somethings. Mtn Biking, went traveling west to the national parks a few times, did a lot of traveling together, etc.

They were together for 5 years.

When I found out they broke up (she ended it) I was like "Whaaaa??" HE didn't want it to end, but she did.

Now, she's been doing a lot of world traveling...but solo and, that was one of the reasons she ended things. She simply wanted to travel, but do it without him. Just wanted to be single again I suppose.

Maybe she got tired of being in close proximity to him when on the road, traveling?
I would never place my money on couples with a passion for traveling. At some point many of them (literally) want to go different ways. Often they don't want to compromise their freedom and will put themselves first.

A guy at work is my age (25), as long as I've known him he has not been in a relationship. He really loves traveling and downhill biking, he knows that being in a relationship would limit him. So he's single, travel wherever the fvck he wants and spin plates instead. He's a pretty cool dude.

It's just about not selling your soul for a relationship, something we learn on this forum. Even though both liked to travel they might have wanted to go to different places.
 

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You have to be selfish for a relationship to succeed. What I mean is that you can't give up on everything you want to do for the sake of the other person. In a sucessful relaitonship, this will be no problem whatsoever as both individuals are comfortable with time apart. Naturally, this is why you want to find someone who shares some common interests.

The points your bring up are completely valid and certainly touch home with my previous marriage. I have always been fairly involved with everything as far as doing crap around the house, laundry, cleaning, etc. The problem came in when there was certain things that only a man would do (fix/maintain the cars, take out the garbage, install new sprinkler systems, install a paver patio, etc etc), and I would somehow still be expected to help with the day-to-day tasks. Women want their cake and to eat it too.

My exwife wasn't hypergamous, but it illustrates the point about how women in the workforce and spreading this "equality" nonsense is actually just something that actually damages relationships. The whole feminine imperative is damaging to men's psyche and the success of relationships. Add to this, the incredibly easy access to men on various dating sites and/or other forums, why the h3ll would a woman commit? I really feel for my boys as I fear it is going to get much worse before it gets any better...
 

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I would never place my money on couples with a passion for traveling. At some point many of them (literally) want to go different ways. Often they don't want to compromise their freedom and will put themselves first.

A guy at work is my age (25), as long as I've known him he has not been in a relationship. He really loves traveling and downhill biking, he knows that being in a relationship would limit him. So he's single, travel wherever the fvck he wants and spin plates instead. He's a pretty cool dude.

It's just about not selling your soul for a relationship, something we learn on this forum. Even though both liked to travel they might have wanted to go to different places.
Yeah, I was kind of boggled, as I thought they were a well matched couple. So far, she hasn't started dating anyone, but he's found someone though. Saw recent kayaking photos of him and her and such. Her...she's completely solo and plans on going to New Zealand on her own.

Kind of switching gears. I think the "Have passport? Will travel" mantra no women's profile are quite common these days. It's like they travel 3 to 4 times year...I am trying to figure out how they get the time off AND money to do all that? The latter...put it all on plastic?

Not that I'm against traveling, but I'm more of a "once every few years until I banked leave at work". A lot of women are travel addicts as of late.
 

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Kind of switching gears. I think the "Have passport? Will travel" mantra no women's profile are quite common these days. It's like they travel 3 to 4 times year...I am trying to figure out how they get the time off AND money to do all that? The latter...put it all on plastic?

Not that I'm against traveling, but I'm more of a "once every few years until I banked leave at work". A lot of women are travel addicts as of late.
Same thing I have wondered, no idea where they are making the money when they make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men in the same job :rolleyes:
 

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Same thing I have wondered, no idea where they are making the money when they make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men in the same job :rolleyes:
They use men as wallets to spring for most of those trips. Doesn't mean he's going to get any.
 

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Yeah, I was kind of boggled, as I thought they were a well matched couple. So far, she hasn't started dating anyone, but he's found someone though. Saw recent kayaking photos of him and her and such. Her...she's completely solo and plans on going to New Zealand on her own.

Kind of switching gears. I think the "Have passport? Will travel" mantra no women's profile are quite common these days. It's like they travel 3 to 4 times year...I am trying to figure out how they get the time off AND money to do all that? The latter...put it all on plastic?

Not that I'm against traveling, but I'm more of a "once every few years until I banked leave at work". A lot of women are travel addicts as of late.
Haha, that guy at work I was talking about went to Australia and New Zealand for 4 months. Spent all his vacation time, traded some shifts and the rest was leave without pay. He saved up a bunch of money just for this trip, he didn't regret it when he came back.

It is doable, it's all about prioritizing money. We do have a pretty well paying job though. A woman can make this work the same way.
 

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Same thing I have wondered, no idea where they are making the money when they make 78 cents on the dollar compared to men in the same job :rolleyes:
Yeah, traveling to them is equivalent to some women who have an extensive shoe collection. lol
 

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Haha, that guy at work I was talking about went to Australia and New Zealand for 4 months. Spent all his vacation time, traded some shifts and the rest was leave without pay. He saved up a bunch of money just for this trip, he didn't regret it when he came back.

It is doable, it's all about prioritizing money. We do have a pretty well paying job though. A woman can make this work the same way.
4 months? There's no job that I know that exists that lets you save over like 3 or 4 weeks. Then it caps out and you're stuck at that mark.

Some have a "Use it or lose it" system if you saved up too much time.
 
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