Managing Stripclubs AMA. getting out of the industry

[Julian]

Strip clubs are a funny thing, depending on your sense of humor of course. Be it the sketchy activities, the sex, the sleaze, whatever it is that draws people...the root of it being a kind of sick desperation, or fantasy fulfillment, or maybe even sheer boredom. One thing is for certain, the mechanism that runs things at the rotten core of all the lap grinding, fake personas and bass thumping music is simple: money.

Anyway the point of this thread is to share with you any experiences I think of and answer any questions.

There is a luster that strip clubs have when you are new to one, it is only after a short period of time that you clearly see the dirty underbelly of whats going on.

Rule 1: TRUST NO ONE. Do not trust a soul, because the body you are dealing with surely does not have one and if they do it is hidden away, compartmentalized into a mental saferoom..free from the cold bloodedness of the nightlife industry. Those people who have sold theres are something to behold.

Rule 2: Tread carefully. This touches on the above Rule 1. There are alot of cobras and vipers out to strike you if you are not aware. This includes coworkers as well as clientele as well as your dancers

Rule 3: There is money to be made no doubt. This is the bloodlife of the industry, money and puzzy. Keep what you made and make ON THE LOW. Do not talk about what you have period. First off it can make you a target for death or robbery and secondly it can fukk up your cashflow because once chicks know you got the dough already they are less likely to tip you out well. Always be grateful, even if its $1

Rule 4: The stripclub has many levels to it. But truth be told it is a place of wickedness. There are some good hearts there certainly but not that many. It's not an industry I would recommend for lifelong careers, it takes ALOT of strength to make it for a long time.

Ive met some good folks but have witnessed alot of negative and bad things. You definitely learn the psychology of women. They are pack animals, like hyenas. Give a inch they take a mile. Imagine managing over 5-30 (depending on the night) women, many with mental illness or fukked up background, half on drugs etc. It's actually kind of a sad sight. Especially when they dont make house rent or are just financially fukked. There is approx 15% who you could consider "normal".

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Strip clubs are a funny thing, depending on your sense of humor of course. Be it the sketchy activities, the sex, the sleaze, whatever it is that draws people...the root of it being a kind of sick desperation, or fantasy fulfillment, or maybe even sheer boredom. One thing is for certain, the mechanism that runs things at the rotten core of all the lap grinding, fake personas and bass thumping music is simple: money.

Anyway the point of this thread is to share with you any experiences I think of and answer any questions.

There is a luster that strip clubs have when you are new to one, it is only after a short period of time that you clearly see the dirty underbelly of whats going on.

Rule 1: TRUST NO ONE. Do not trust a soul, because the body you are dealing with surely does not have one and if they do it is hidden away, compartmentalized into a mental saferoom..free from the cold bloodedness of the nightlife industry. Those people who have sold theres are something to behold.

Rule 2: Tread carefully. This touches on the above Rule 1. There are alot of cobras and vipers out to strike you if you are not aware. This includes coworkers as well as clientele as well as your dancers

Rule 3: There is money to be made no doubt. This is the bloodlife of the industry, money and puzzy. Keep what you made and make ON THE LOW. Do not talk about what you have period. First off it can make you a target for death or robbery and secondly it can fukk up your cashflow because once chicks know you got the dough already they are less likely to tip you out well. Always be grateful, even if its $1

Rule 4: The stripclub has many levels to it. But truth be told it is a place of wickedness. There are some good hearts there certainly but not that many. It's not an industry I would recommend for lifelong careers, it takes ALOT of strength to make it for a long time.

Ive met some good folks but have witnessed alot of negative and bad things. You definitely learn the psychology of women. They are pack animals, like hyenas. Give a inch they take a mile. Imagine managing over 5-30 (depending on the night) women, many with mental illness or fukked up background, half on drugs etc. It's actually kind of a sad sight. Especially when they dont make house rent or are just financially fukked. There is approx 15% who you could consider "normal".

Most of the women who work in there are the female equivalent of a male "scumbag"... I already got my lesson. It's good you were able to summarize this for the rest of the viewers.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Any more, I feel you can flesh out some more

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Any more, I feel you can flesh out some more

I'd like him too. As bigneil pointed out, many of the strip club ladies have a rules of engagement similar to many other "hot girl" outside of the club.

 

[bigneil]

Explain the difference between HB9 21 year old strippers and HB9 21 year old non-strippers?

I asked my favorite stripper last week "Were you more promiscuous before you became a stripper, or after?" and she instantly said "WAY more before". That was what my other stripper girlfriend said. The 40 hours a week they work means 1/3 less waking hours to party.

I asked "Do you think working there makes you like your boyfriend(s) more, or less?" and she said "More, because 99% of the guys are losers and it reminds me of what I have."

Indeed there is a dark element to strip clubs and there are prostitutes, some are on drugs, about 1/3 have pimps, girls are constantly offered money for sex, so it is a slippery slope. But those types of girls are obviously bad. Some girls there are great. This one knows she can't stay there more than a couple years (I met her one year ago, the week she became a stripper, outside the club, so I know the real her).

Note I estimate that 96% of the time I've been with her was outside the club (I never got a table dance or VIP and got her number the first time we sat together). Note that I hung out at her club for 18 months and she was the first girl I ever liked, so she was my choice girl. Most of the girls there I wouldn't have sex with for free.

I've been dating two strippers for a combined 5 months and they have always been sweet and reliable. I've dated about 10 strippers for about 10 man years.

The moral is, there are some girls worth dating who are strippers, but most are not worth dating. This is probably the same for equally hot girls.

 

[bigneil]

Self respect

Even if the non-stripper sleeps with more men?

Not an argument. You are making assumptions. Also, this year I met two gorgeous women at restaurants and dated them and then found out they were strippers after the fact. Half the hot girls you see are strippers. I never regretted having sex with a gorgeous young woman.

 

[The Duke]

I’ve spent a lot of time in these places the last 20yrs. Been in clubs all over the country. I’ve seen $trippers in the bathrooms having sechs with some dude and girls on stage eating each other out. Got to know a lot of the staff at my regular hang outs and dated several $trippers.

The business sure has changed and it hasn’t been for the better. In the old days the girls were far more attractive and in better shape. You rarely saw a girl that didn’t have a decent body. Now it is not uncommon to see fatties even at your better clubs. I see few with near perfect bodies.

Years ago, they actually had dance skills. The girls were always changing outfits and sometimes changed their hair up every time they came back out on stage. Their shoes/boots were always elaborate. The talented girls had “stage” presence and put on a show. The money was being made on stage, not in the back room like it is today. The girls had salesmanship/social skills and spent a lot of time socializing with customers.

In the 90’s you saw a lot of high dollar cars(BMW’s, Porsche, Mercedes, & Corvettes) parked in front of the club that belong to dancers. Nowdays its not nearly as common. I see a lot of “average” cars and a lot more boyfriends dropping their girls off to go to work. There simply isn’t as much money to be made. Lap dance prices have been $20 for a long time, and guys are still tipping $1 and have been for 20yrs.

As a result of less money being made, the quality has declined. Seems the best chance of seeing the hottest girls is after 11pm on a Friday/Saturday night. It appears that in order to make any money, more illicit activity is required than ever before. Now days there are girls walking around that never even go on stage. Their sole job is to solicit men for vip suite sechs or hand jobs in the back room. Some even hand out business cards for “services” offered outside the club.

Anytime there is easy money, there are shady people.

 

[bigneil]

I’ve spent a lot of time in these places the last 20yrs. Been in clubs all over the country. I’ve seen $trippers in the bathrooms having sechs with some dude and girls on stage eating each other out. Got to know a lot of the staff at my regular hang outs and dated several $trippers.

I have been hanging out at clubs for 5 years and never saw anything of the sort, especially not in Georgia.

 

[bigneil]

yes because she doesnt do it in PUBLIC

Strippers sleep with men in public? You know prostitution is illegal, correct? You know they just installed glass doors on VIP here?

So many generalizations. I've had free dates with about 30 strippers (and some who turned out to be hookers) and even I can't make generalizations on them, but men who have never dated one think they know better.

 

[Julian]

The advent of the internet has completely fukked things up too. The lines that blur between stripper and prostitute is harder and harder to differentiate. The quality has gone down as guys dont go to stripclubs as much anymore, the dancers are definitely getting fatter (as have all humans male and female) and with social media being so prevalent, for alot of these girls its a privacy concern and security issue. Back in the 90's a fine ass chick could strip at a club 2 hours away and make a ton of cash without any worrys. Nowadays it doesnt matter where you go we are all connected...not to mention some of these bishes are turning tricks online via dating apps, social media, other various websites etc.


Bigneil, im not sure what your motivation is...is it one of those things where you got money along with your age, so you go to the stripclub alot and become a "regular", spend on a girl, befriend them, try and find out about them etc etc...maybe eventually work your way to some kind of relationship where sex is involved? Care to elaborate?

There are 1 out of 10 strippers I would date. The difference between a 21yr hb 9 normie and a 21 yr old hb 9 stripper is usually daddy issues/drugs/bad upbringing. As an example we have a girl who comes from a prestigiously rich business family as well as a ratchet girl from the hood who came from single parent household in the hood, and the hood girl is more stable/genuine person then the other. But the main thing to remember is there are no rules, there are no guidelines suggesting a person from a certain socioeconomic background will be better or worse then someone from a different one etc.

Its VERY individualistic. Another thing is these women will sh1t test you at any point in time to the max. In my time working i have NEVER experienced a dancer dating a customer outside of work, and if they are found out they get fired. Might be different elsewhere but in my experience its a big nono.

You have to remember these women make no bones about it, they are selling a service...a fantasy. They want your MONEY. That is all they want from you as a client. They are not there for fun they are there to support their kids, (and 90% of strippers have kids or are single mothers this is a fact). Or they want money to support their drugs and party lifestyle etc. And of course everyone has bills. Some of them have day jobs as well.

Even so I wouldnt want to date a stripper, holding judgement aside because lord knows we have all done fukked up ****....but just knowing your girl is rubbing her snatch on the balls of some 80 year old man who smells like piss is truly sickening. I couldnt handle that mentally even if she loved me etc. The fact she is selling her soul and body for money like that...is just a turn off.

 

[The Duke]

Another thing going on now days is a lot of $trippers also work as Sugar Babies and its prevalent amongst the more attractive ones.

I've seen just as much dysfunction with non-$Trippers as I have the $tripper population.

Girls will do just about anything to better their financial position. It doesn't matter if its taking her clothes off for money or a non-$tripper telling a guy how great he is so he'll marry her. Women always want something at the end of the day.

 

[BeExcellent]

Strip clubs are a funny thing, depending on your sense of humor of course. Be it the sketchy activities, the sex, the sleaze, whatever it is that draws people...the root of it being a kind of sick desperation, or fantasy fulfillment, or maybe even sheer boredom. One thing is for certain, the mechanism that runs things at the rotten core of all the lap grinding, fake personas and bass thumping music is simple: money.

Anyway the point of this thread is to share with you any experiences I think of and answer any questions.

There is a luster that strip clubs have when you are new to one, it is only after a short period of time that you clearly see the dirty underbelly of whats going on.

Rule 1: TRUST NO ONE. Do not trust a soul, because the body you are dealing with surely does not have one and if they do it is hidden away, compartmentalized into a mental saferoom..free from the cold bloodedness of the nightlife industry. Those people who have sold theres are something to behold.

Rule 2: Tread carefully. This touches on the above Rule 1. There are alot of cobras and vipers out to strike you if you are not aware. This includes coworkers as well as clientele as well as your dancers

Rule 3: There is money to be made no doubt. This is the bloodlife of the industry, money and puzzy. Keep what you made and make ON THE LOW. Do not talk about what you have period. First off it can make you a target for death or robbery and secondly it can fukk up your cashflow because once chicks know you got the dough already they are less likely to tip you out well. Always be grateful, even if its $1

Rule 4: The stripclub has many levels to it. But truth be told it is a place of wickedness. There are some good hearts there certainly but not that many. It's not an industry I would recommend for lifelong careers, it takes ALOT of strength to make it for a long time.

Ive met some good folks but have witnessed alot of negative and bad things. You definitely learn the psychology of women. They are pack animals, like hyenas. Give a inch they take a mile. Imagine managing over 5-30 (depending on the night) women, many with mental illness or fukked up background, half on drugs etc. It's actually kind of a sad sight. Especially when they dont make house rent or are just financially fukked. There is approx 15% who you could consider "normal".

My ex husband was in the high end high profile nightclub business for years. It's quite an intriguing business in many ways. He had to fire a close friend for stealing along the way (that shouldn't surprise anybody really), and he and I both saw how people are all about their own agendas and self interest up close and personal. It is exhausting over time. People will screw each other over in an instant it's true (and that's also why my ex eventually sold out - after a boyhood friend since 10 years old screwed him over for the almighty dollar.) It was pure unadulterated ambition and few scruples. I'd say a disadvantage my ex had was trying to operate with scruples in an utterly amoral industry.

One of my ex's closest friends was GM at a large and very well known gentlemen's club in our city. The sort of batshlt crazy that guy managed on a daily/nightly basis was both impressive and incredible, and often not in a good way. He equated it to herding cats that were strung out on ketamine when he talked about the "entertainers." He eventually got out of the industry and into a more regular routine within the service sector, but he was like a man trying to get over a BPD woman...struggling with the addiction to the allure and the drama and crazy that accompanies the men's clubs...it's several notches above the regular nightclub industry in the party cities...and a nightclub venue in the party cities is far more treacherous than clubs in more buttoned up places.

At one point my ex was seriously considering getting involved himself in the men's club industry and he decided better of it after considering he most wanted a family (without my input frankly) and that that environment was anti-family in just about every way imaginable. He has lost touch with his friend, who last we heard was back as GM of a club somewhere. That's a shame as this guy was as cool a cat as you could hope to meet, smooth with ladies and as stand up a guy as you'll find in that context. But he was completely seduced by the industry, even as well as he knew it's dark side.

It's similar to what some of my film industry friends tell me about the porn industry. Once that devil gets itself entangled with you it swallows you up and most people never emerge from those business sectors to do something more mainstream ever again.

Its all about power, money and sex, in that order. It is utterly amoral and ugly at its core.

 

[bigneil]

It is utterly amoral and ugly at its core.

...and the world's oldest profession.

I know so many girls who have good hearts that work there I refuse to buy into these stereotypes. Girls I've known for years.

You could say "you don't know what goes on" and I would say "whatever it is, I wish more girls did it, because some of those girls were the best". I base things on the bottom line, not some set of moral standards.

If you think strippers are bad, you should see wives. At least strippers stop charging you once they stop performing.

While all women are essentially free lance hookers, prostitutes with pimps are completely shameless. They sleep with who they are told to sleep with (for money), are slaves to the pimp, and give him all the money they earn. About 1/3 of strippers have pimps. Whole different animal. Porn stars of course are prostitutes who publish it for the world to see, so they are the worst IMO.

 

[BeExcellent]

...and the world's oldest profession.

I know so many girls who have good hearts that work there I refuse to buy into these stereotypes. Girls I've known for years.

You could say "you don't know what goes on" and I would say "whatever it is, I wish more girls did it, because some of those girls were the best". I base things on the bottom line, not some set of moral standards.

If you think strippers are bad, you should see wives. At least strippers stop charging you once they stop performing.

While all women are essentially free lance hookers, prostitutes with pimps are completely shameless. They sleep with who they are told to sleep with (for money), are slaves to the pimp, and give him all the money they earn. About 1/3 of strippers have pimps. Whole different animal. Porn stars of course are prostitutes who publish it for the world to see, so they are the worst IMO.

I'm not making any value judgement of what you do obviously @bigneil. I know a few good people who have been at one point or another in that world (not porn but men's clubs.) IME the good people are few and far between however and if you are IN the industry you better watch your rear guard at all times and have no illusions about how people are motivated.

Men sometimes romanticize that industry. That's fine if you are a patron, it's your undoing if you are in that business.

I disagree about wives to a large degree as well but I also understand the audience here has not had (+) experience in that regard as a general rule either so the prevailing attitude is no surprise and perfectly logical.

 

[bigneil]

Personally, I'm tired of strip clubs and hardly ever go to see the girls at work. I don't think I romanticize the clubs. VIP is the last place I want to have sex. But the "game" for strippers is about telling people what they want to hear, and convincing you that they think you are special. Weaker men will believe it and get hurt. Ask me how I know.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Ever had any life or death situations OP? That you experienced yourself or witnessed others go through. Or perhaps through word of mouth. I'd like to know how you handled the situation or how the others did.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Personally, I'm tired of strip clubs and hardly ever go to see the girls at work. I don't think I romanticize the clubs. VIP is the last place I want to have sex. But the "game" for strippers is about telling people what they want to hear, and convincing you that they think you are special. Weaker men will believe it and get hurt. Ask me how I know.

Like I said strippers end up being scumbag con-men... That's the career path. Some women dip down in there for a few months and done for life, once they been in there a few years they have taken on the behaviors of the majority. They are nothing nice.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Interesting comments about technology changing the industry. My local 18 y/o high school homecoming queen is peddling her fine young ass on craigslist for $200 (true story). So if I can have that for $200, why would I pay a stripper $20 to hump my leg for three minutes? The Internet allows any woman to be a hooker, and the sh!tty economy also serves to increase supply. It's supply and demand. The price of purchased sex keeps going down.

 

[devilkingx2]

yes because she doesnt do it in PUBLIC

being a prude isn't how you have fun bro

 

[Ronaldo7]

Strip clubs are the portrayal of the scum of society. Those individuals who sell their body, mind and soul to another individual's economic power.

It's the sad realization that most individuals are hopeless. Trapped in an endless typhoon of their lost spirits.

A sense of condescending understanding is what those individuals deserve.