How do you explain when guys do everything wrong but still get the girl?

[Infern0]

I know at least two cases in the last few months.

In one case the guy literally turned up at the girls door crying after hearing she slept with someone else and proceeded to get comforted by her as she told him she just "wasn't ready for a relationship"

A month later they were in a relationship and have been for 4 months now with seemingly no issues.

The second case was similar but this girl was actually showing me the sappy texts this dude was sending her and laughing about it and just wanted him to "go away"

They were official a couple of weeks later and are now looking for a place together, again doesn't seem to be any issues.

Question is, I see this more often than you would think, guys who are a a point where all of us would say "Dude, give it up, it's OVER, YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE" And the guy has no frame whatsoever and is firing off every beta move there is.

And then a few weeks later they are with that girl and my mind gets blown.

Obviously this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen quite a bit.

What's the deal there

 

[dustmuffin]

I know at least two cases in the last few months.

In one case the guy literally turned up at the girls door crying after hearing she slept with someone else and proceeded to get comforted by her as she told him she just "wasn't ready for a relationship"

A month later they were in a relationship and have been for 4 months now with seemingly no issues.

The second case was similar but this girl was actually showing me the sappy texts this dude was sending her and laughing about it and just wanted him to "go away"

They were official a couple of weeks later and are now looking for a place together, again doesn't seem to be any issues.

Question is, I see this more often than you would think, guys who are a a point where all of us would say "Dude, give it up, it's OVER, YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE" And the guy has no frame whatsoever and is firing off every beta move there is.

And then a few weeks later they are with that girl and my mind gets blown.

Obviously this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen quite a bit.

What's the deal there

How old are these women? Sounds like they are at a point in their life where they want to lock down a beta provider.

 

[Who Dares Win]

In my opinion certain sector of that same cancer that lead to "empowerement" and girl power are basically trying to boost the value of guys willing to commit.

I noticed something similar, girls giving attention and access to intimacy to guys of no other value than will to commit.

I recall I wrote about it in some other topic, it seems like a guy willing to commit appears to women as worth as a guy with a decent status or tall and well built, its a factor we should start to reconsider.

Lets not forget anyway that for decades guys managed to get laid by faking will to commit or faking serious intentions toward a girl, its just in the last decade that the stereotype of the aloof guy got credit in the pick up community.

Girl get attention from guys pretending to be willing to give sex while guys give sex by pretending to be willing to give attentions, its nothing new.

Also girls nowadays dream of a stable guy giving them stability so they can get banged from the hot guy without being concerned of him not sticking around.

 

[Tenacity]

I know at least two cases in the last few months.

In one case the guy literally turned up at the girls door crying after hearing she slept with someone else and proceeded to get comforted by her as she told him she just "wasn't ready for a relationship"

A month later they were in a relationship and have been for 4 months now with seemingly no issues.

The second case was similar but this girl was actually showing me the sappy texts this dude was sending her and laughing about it and just wanted him to "go away"

They were official a couple of weeks later and are now looking for a place together, again doesn't seem to be any issues.

Question is, I see this more often than you would think, guys who are a a point where all of us would say "Dude, give it up, it's OVER, YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE" And the guy has no frame whatsoever and is firing off every beta move there is.

And then a few weeks later they are with that girl and my mind gets blown.

Obviously this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen quite a bit.

What's the deal there

Because like I've been saying for months now....there ARE NO RULES....just individuals.

- The "rules" and the "techniques" never and will never get the girl.

- It's the individual that gets the girl.

- That individual has ups and downs, highs and lows, good points and bad points.

It's why I continue to RAIL against the keyboard warrior, bullshyt, one-dimensional, women are all X and will all do Y theories on here. It's all bullshyt.

In real life, there is no Alpha or Beta. You have guys who have characteristics of both depending on the given day or the given circumstances. To succeed in anything in life, sometimes you have to Alpha and sometimes you have to be Beta. NOBODY is either or.

 

[Infern0]

How old are these women? Sounds like they are at a point in their life where they want to lock down a beta provider.

First one 25 second 18

The 18 year old is an idiot and I doubt the relationship will last more than 6 months but still.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Could it be they felt they were wrong and guilty and they actually love the beta?

 

[TheFixer14]

Every girl is different. There is no one size fits all. Some women actually like emotional or beta men.

I think this whole alpha/beta thing gets over used way too much.

My guess is that these guys were being 100% genuine and the women appreciated it. Jealous?

 

[Infern0]

Every girl is different. There is no one size fits all. Some women actually like emotional or beta men.

I think this whole alpha/beta thing gets over used way too much.

My guess is that these guys were being 100% genuine and the women appreciated it. Jealous?

Yes mate I'm jealous

Obviously

 

[Infern0]

The point of the question is this site preaches a certain set of rules. Then when things happen that don't adhere to the rules say the rules don't matter.

Just wanting some clarity here

 

[TheFixer14]

The point of the question is this site preaches a certain set of rules. Then when things happen that don't adhere to the rules say the rules don't matter.

Just wanting some clarity here

Okay I understand what you are saying. I remember last year I was being "mentored" by this guy who was on the RSD forums (should have been a red flag) and I got a date with this woman and she flaked on me. I told him that I didn't get and that I did everything right. Then he said some bull**** about how that's the problem.

Then I was like "what?" He acted as if there were rules and if I did this or that then I'd be okay. And after doing that and still getting flaked on I am still doing something wrong?

That's when I realized that there are no rules. You can't predict what a woman will do. Not all women want alpha tough guys. It varies. If that were the case then Woody Allen wouldn't be a legend who had Diane Keaton hunting him down during her peak.

 

[marmel75]

The point of the question is this site preaches a certain set of rules. Then when things happen that don't adhere to the rules say the rules don't matter.

Just wanting some clarity here

It's like anything else. You play the percentages. If things work the way you do them 80% of the time, but don't the other 20% are you going to start doing what works 1 out of 5 times more often just because you ran into a case where it would have worked?

No. It's folly to think that one set of behaviour will be universally attractive to everyone. All you can do it do what is attractive to THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF WOMEN. And by doing that, it necessarily means you WONT BE ATTRACTIVE the remaining percentage.

But that's OK. I'd much rather feel and act like a man at the end of the day, and that's more than what can be said about the guys in the OPs post. They will always walk on eggshells in the relationship because they will be looking for the other shoe to drop.

And OP, how are you so sure they are going behind these dudes backs cheating on them and getting the best of both worlds...

 

[RedZone]

There are no rules but if do it long enough you will see patterns.

 

[icantgetlaid]

No. It's folly to think that one set of behavior will be universally attractive to everyone.

This 100%. Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[bigneil]

Obviously their interest level was sufficiently high to withstand such a huge beating.

 

[devilkingx2]

I know at least two cases in the last few months.

In one case the guy literally turned up at the girls door crying after hearing she slept with someone else and proceeded to get comforted by her as she told him she just "wasn't ready for a relationship"

A month later they were in a relationship and have been for 4 months now with seemingly no issues.

The second case was similar but this girl was actually showing me the sappy texts this dude was sending her and laughing about it and just wanted him to "go away"

They were official a couple of weeks later and are now looking for a place together, again doesn't seem to be any issues.

Question is, I see this more often than you would think, guys who are a a point where all of us would say "Dude, give it up, it's OVER, YOU HAVE ZERO CHANCE" And the guy has no frame whatsoever and is firing off every beta move there is.

And then a few weeks later they are with that girl and my mind gets blown.

Obviously this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen quite a bit.

What's the deal there

outliers exist. some women are enigmas that do not conform to any of the rules. (there was once a person who had natural purple eyes)

also some girls are just easy and it only takes being around when she's single to get her

 

[Roober]

It sounds like both cases the women were branch swinging and cheating and the guys are okay with it...? They are accepting their women's $hitty behavior. If I find out about a girl of mine and another dude, it is over. No questions asked!

If it happens now, it will happen again. These men didn't learn squat other than how to get her back for a short period of time. Their best bet is to knock her up, forcing marriage or long term commitment...

 

[NSX-R]

There is a secret. You do not choose to fck a woman but a woman chooses you to fck her. No matter if you are a master of the game or not , you can't have control of everything.

The only difference is that you increase the chances to close the deal when you know the way than the opposite.

 

[BeExcellent]

Predicting women's behavior in a general sense is more akin to predicting the weather or being a good hitter in baseball.

You can identify trends and learn techniques that will aid you a majority of the time...

But you'll never reach a 100% success rate.

There's a reason hitters who bat .300 consistently end up in the hall of fame...

But you don't need a 30% success rate from 100 women or 1000 women to be successful. You need a 100% success rate with 1 woman.

It's a different mind set. Most women want a 100% success rate with 1 man.

The reason so few "worthwhile" women are available is the above sentence. We can debate all day what that means but the end result is those women who have had success defined as above in the market are OFF the market.

 

[TheFixer14]

The reason so few "worthwhile" women are available is the above sentence. We can debate all day what that means but the end result is those women who have had success defined as above in the market are OFF the market.

I've learned this first hand. The few women that I've met that made me go "wow she's a great person" were taken. And why wouldn't they be?

 

[devilkingx2]

But you don't need a 30% success rate from 100 women or 1000 women to be successful. .

you are correct, since the pros have ratios of like 50% that's 20% away from where you could reach so aiming for 30% is setting your sights too low