Girls who like you DO NOT make you wait..

[BeTheChange]

OK, I'll bite. Let's define, first, what makes a woman suitable for an LTR: A woman is suitable for an LTR to the extent that she willingly submits to your frame.

Would anybody like to take exception to my definition? OK, let's go on. Obviously, according to my definition (which, if anyone disagrees with, feel free to tell me), the girl in your scenario is obviously running the frame--she's taking on the masculine role and extreme promiscuity, of course, negatively correlates with a girl's ability to submit to a man's frame for any significant length of time in the first place.

But I have two far more plausible scenarios and you can tell me, @guru1000, which of these two women will best fit my definition above?

Scenario 1: Girl is 20. She had a long term bf she lost her virginity to in high school and really thought she'd marry--but, predictably, that wasn't the case and they broke up midway through her first semester of college. She took some time off dating to mourn the break up. Later her freshman year she had several short term relationship-esque flings with guys at her school because, you know, she's a hot girl in college and the whole LTR thing didn't work out. But the guys at her college are immature and, if they're not sh1t tanked, only have the balls to like her pics and send her FB messages. So here she is--hasn't had sex in half a year, maybe more.

She meets @guru1000 when she's in town--she's never met a guy whose known how to make her feel like a woman, it's something new; and he's oh so interesting--and he invites her to ride in her car and she's never ridden in a car like that. She knows that realistically she probably doesn't have a chance to tie him down--the hostess and waitress at dinner were overly attentive and she thought she heard his phone buzz several times, but he didn't check it. If she doesn't sleep with him tonight, she might not get another chance--and she never meets guys like that and, well, it might be a looooooong time until she meets someone like that again and he just is so sure of himself and.....

Scenario 2: Girl is 27. All of her friends are getting married. But relationships haven't worked out for her--she's met guys like @guru1000, but she slept with them early and for some reason they never called her back. However, her parents were very religious and she only ever did that sort of thing in private and none of her friends/family/social circle knows anything about that. But now she feels a little guilty and she doesn't want that to happen again--and, well, she woke up one morning to find the slightest wrinkles at the corner of her eyes and lately the slightest bulge in her stomach where it used to be effortlessly flat. Of course, she could always hide that past entirely. She's a good girl, of course.

Now she meets @guru1000 and agrees to a date--and while she'd really like to sleep with him she's been there before and she sees his car and calculates that he might be an awesome provider. @guru1000 escalates hard, but she's 'not that type of girl.' He tries again, but again she defects. She's thrilled when she gets a call back for a second date, but she has to play her cards right....

Real Talk: Really all your replies in this thread are a little baffling to me. Less than a year ago, your posts were exemplary and incredibly useful because you preached the utility of your mindset to shape (and even overcome) any reality external to yourself. And now you're trying to lead guys on unicorn hunts lol. But read your posts from October 2015 and your posts now and tell me, if you were looking to find balance and happiness in your life and seeking an original line of thinking that departs from a traditional narrative that you've seen for yourself doesn't work (and not some weird Madonna/*****, unicorn sh1t that 90% of guys subscribe to and which women use to manipulate men consistently when they sense they can), which @guru1000 would you choose to take advice from?

On the money.

 

[cola]

I just can't see a girl who has very high interest level and knows you have many options taking the chance of making you wait 3 dates.. especially if she wants an LTR.

Chris Brown probably has never waited till the third date.. i know we aren't famous pop stars but If you come off as a high value guy I don't think you would have to either.

Really feel like a girl who makes you wait 3 dates is stringing you along.. you are option 2 guy, the one she hangs with when option 1 guy isn't free

 

[ThePasses]

Really feel like a girl who makes you wait 3 dates is stringing you along.. you are option 2 guy, the one she hangs with when option 1 guy isn't free

Definite. Especially if there's funny phone communication behavior added in.

 

[guru1000]

OK, I'll bite. Let's define, first, what makes a woman suitable for an LTR: A woman is suitable for an LTR to the extent that she willingly submits to your frame.

Would anybody like to take exception to my definition? OK, let's go on.

Come on Fastlife. That's it? That is only criteria by which you screen for LTRs?

How about:

1. Her values, financial, familial, and relational interests align with yours;

How about:

• No divorces in her family;
• No kids;
• No previous marriages;
• No history of mental illness;
• No ascertainable signs of previous whorish behavior (as I mentioned earlier, you can extrapolate by facts she delineates);
• No previous relations with anyone in your circle.

Scenario 1: Girl is 20. She had a long term bf she lost her virginity to in high school and really thought she'd marry--but, predictably, that wasn't the case and they broke up midway through her first semester of college. She took some time off dating to mourn the break up. Later her freshman year she had several short term relationship-esque flings with guys at her school because, you know, she's a hot girl in college and the whole LTR thing didn't work out. But the guys at her college are immature and, if they're not sh1t tanked, only have the balls to like her pics and send her FB messages. So here she is--hasn't had sex in half a year, maybe more.

She meets @guru1000 when she's in town--she's never met a guy whose known how to make her feel like a woman, it's something new; and he's oh so interesting--and he invites her to ride in her car and she's never ridden in a car like that. She knows that realistically she probably doesn't have a chance to tie him down--the hostess and waitress at dinner were overly attentive and she thought she heard his phone buzz several times, but he didn't check it. If she doesn't sleep with him tonight, she might not get another chance--and she never meets guys like that and, well, it might be a looooooong time until she meets someone like that again and he just is so sure of himself and.....

Scenario 2: Girl is 27. All of her friends are getting married. But relationships haven't worked out for her--she's met guys like @guru1000, but she slept with them early and for some reason they never called her back. However, her parents were very religious and she only ever did that sort of thing in private and none of her friends/family/social circle knows anything about that. But now she feels a little guilty and she doesn't want that to happen again--and, well, she woke up one morning to find the slightest wrinkles at the corner of her eyes and lately the slightest bulge in her stomach where it used to be effortlessly flat. Of course, she could always hide that past entirely. She's a good girl, of course.

Now she meets @guru1000 and agrees to a date--and while she'd really like to sleep with him she's been there before and she sees his car and calculates that he might be an awesome provider. @guru1000 escalates hard, but she's 'not that type of girl.' He tries again, but again she defects. She's thrilled when she gets a call back for a second date, but she has to play her cards right....

I choose neither.

Girl 2 makes me wait, but she hasn't been in an exclusive relationship in many years, correct? What do you think she has been doing in those many years? Drinking soda pops? She's been svcking ****. Extrapolate, Fastlife, extrapolate.

You err by implying that I stated if a girl makes you wait, she's LTR material. I stated: IF a girl spreads her legs on the first date, disqualify her LTR eligibility. You understand the distinction that a statement of sequence does not make its inverse true. Capiche?

Real Talk: Really all your replies in this thread are a little baffling to me. Less than a year ago, your posts were exemplary and incredibly useful because you preached the utility of your mindset to shape (and even overcome) any reality external to yourself.

Well thank you. But last year's discussion was created on breaking social paradigms to fvck with as little effort as possible. My replies in this thread are directed toward making men more stringent in who they accept in LTRs.

And now you're trying to lead guys on unicorn hunts lol.

Quite the opposite. I would rather men disqualify all women for LTRs and just fvck them. But IF a man should surrender his options for exclusivity, he better have a rigorous qualification regimen for which he uses to screen.

I am explicitly stating do not LTR wh0res. Fvck them only. What one defines as a wh0re is entirely subjective, but we ALL draw a line somewhere (hence my question to Trump).

Now my question to you: Why does my informing men not to enter into LTRs with wh0res bother you?

 

[Trump]

You and I brought this discussion into LTRs. You ask an incidental question as to what "Quality" means. I answered you:

You initially mentioned girls with "higher quality backgrounds" in one of your posts. I was curious what "higher quality" meant.

To add: Quality is entirely subjective. Ergo how you understand quality may differ from my definition.

Great. Thats all I wanted to hear.

I define "quality" as the degree to which a woman can refrain from her lower inclinations to remain true to her higher aspirations. I know, I know, the thought that a woman can make a decision boggles you.

OK.

Now, let's stick to the subject matter:

Totally unrelated? Ok, I answered your "quality" question above (for the second time), now answer mine:

I'll repeat the question:

So you meet this girl on the first date. Within the first minute of seeing you, she pulls you into her car, takes off your clothes, and begs you to fvck her. So you do. After two minutes of fvcking her, she begs that you fvck her in the ass. So you do. As you are railroading her, a good-looking guy, a male model, who just so happens to be your friend, walks past the car and looks in. She sees him and states, "Wow, you are hot. I would like to fvck you too. Would you like to join?" She asks if you mind, but you just want to blow your load at this point and since this is a friend and you are there just having a good time, you say to your bud, "Ya, sure. Let's double-team her." He comes into the car and starts banging her while you bang her in the azz.

Assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, is she LTR material (to you)?

Yes.

I've seen what girls, who were pure innocent virgins before they got into LTR relationships and/or married, can do when the tide turns against them. I'm surprised you haven't because you seem to have alot of life experience.

 

[guru1000]

So you meet this girl on the first date. Within the first minute of seeing you, she pulls you into her car, takes off your clothes, and begs you to fvck her. So you do. After two minutes of fvcking her, she begs that you fvck her in the ass. So you do. As you are railroading her, a good-looking guy, a male model, who just so happens to be your friend, walks past the car and looks in. She sees him and states, "Wow, you are hot. I would like to fvck you too. Would you like to join?" She asks if you mind, but you just want to blow your load at this point and since this is a friend and you are there just having a good time, you say to your bud, "Ya, sure. Let's double-team her." He comes into the car and starts banging her while you bang her in the azz.

Assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, is she LTR material (to you)?

Yes.

LOL. I kind of admire the shamelessness in that response.

I was going to go further with this, involving orgies with family members, but you know what, I have something better for you (assuming your were authentic in your "Yes"):

NEVER enter LTRs. Carry on.

 

[KingBeef]

Good thread, I actually enjoy the back and forth views and discussion.

Young men need to be exposed to these point of views so they can at least start to develop in their minds (the foundation) of how to qualify these women AS THEY SEE FIT. It's up to the reader to decide how they incorporate into their principles and to what extent. No point is perfect but the knowledge itself is gold...

 

[Tenacity]

Come on Fastlife. That's it? That is only criteria by which you screen for LTRs?

How about:

1. Her values, financial, familial, and relational interests align with yours;

How about:

• No divorces in her family;
• No kids;
• No previous marriages;
• No history of mental illness;
• No ascertainable signs of previous whorish behavior (as I mentioned earlier, you can extrapolate by facts she delineates);
• No previous relations with anyone in your circle.

Lol, and Guru what isolated ISLAND am I supposed to find this girl at? Can you tell me lol?

I stated: IF a girl spreads her legs on the first date, disqualify her LTR eligibility.

Well, then that would mean no woman in THIS MARKET is worthy of an LTR. Because no matter if it was Tenacity, or Cola, or Poon King.....98% of women HAVE fvcked somebody on the first night. As Donald Trump would say.....BELIEVE ME.

Sorry to burst your bubble Guru, but there is no super, duper, high quality girl. Those women died out in the Baby Boomer Generation. No girl exists like that in our current dating market of women 18 - 40. BELIEVE ME.

I would rather men disqualify all women for LTRs and just fvck them

.

I agree because the only value left in this market of women is sexual companionship. But it's you Guru, along with guys like HitHard, Legend, and Taiyuu, who keep talking about finding some unicorn that isn't like most women in this market. Taiyuu told me to STOP fvcking women that weren't super, duper, high quality......I told him my dyck will fall off from the amount of rust that would build up on it...because I LITERALLY would no longer be using it if I'm waiting to find the super, duper, high quality woman lol.

Now my question to you:

Why does my informing men not to enter into LTRs with wh0res bother you?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer it from my viewpoint. What bothers me is this promotion of a super, duper, high quality chick. COLA says if a chick likes you, she will fvck often and early.....that's GOSPEL. You respond saying that if the chick is a super, duper, high quality woman, she will make you wait a bit.

Here's my question to you.....can you prove the super, duper, high quality chick still exists in this current dating market of women age 18 - 40? Prove she exists and I'll look at withholding sex and LTR with non super, duper, high quality chicks, to only give the benefits to the super, duper, high quality chick!

 

[skinnyguy]

I have to agree with Tenacity.

Guys start contradicting themselves when they talk about this. They want a girl who won't smash on the first date but then call them prudes for not doing so.

I'm willing to marry if the girl is high quality but I cannot hold a double standard. To me a girl is high quality if she respects me.

 

[guru1000]

Lol, and Guru what isolated ISLAND am I supposed to find this girl at? Can you tell me lol?

Well, then that would mean no woman in THIS MARKET is worthy of an LTR. Because no matter if it was Tenacity, or Cola, or Poon King.....98% of women HAVE fvcked somebody on the first night. As Donald Trump would say.....BELIEVE ME.

Sorry to burst your bubble Guru, but there is no super, duper, high quality girl. Those women died out in the Baby Boomer Generation. No girl exists like that in our current dating market of women 18 - 40. BELIEVE ME.

Ya, ya, ya, the age old argument of (1) there is no quality, (2) all people are painted with the same brush stroke. I have been in these discussions, as Legend mentioned over the past 10 years. Some of the supporters of the original "there is no quality" mantra was Rollo. And so it became mainstream in the Manosphere to state:

1) All women are wh0res;
2) No such thing as quality in a woman.

Let's give it a few hours, before PoonKing will swim into this thread with, "All women are disposable wh0res. Fvck and toss them."

I don't entirely disagree with PK's usual retort. A simple distinction: Most women are disposable wh0res. So fvck most and toss most."

Other posters who are in LTRs with wh0res may chime in as well to defend their LTR choice. But as often as I will state don't LTR wh0res; most on this board will and will likely return back again when their relations end.

I agree because the only value left in this market of women is sexual companionship. But it's you Guru, along with guys like HitHard, Legend, and Taiyuu, who keep talking about finding some unicorn that isn't like most women in this market. Taiyuu told me to STOP fvcking women that weren't super, duper, high quality......I told him my dyck will fall off from the amount of rust that would build up on it...because I LITERALLY would no longer be using it if I'm waiting to find the super, duper, high quality woman lol.

I find it amusing that you say this with one breath and the following in another.

After looking back over the previous 5 - 6 years, I believe that I actually DID get girls that fit this criteria but I just sort of fvcked up the relationship. As I mentioned I had been "going off" a lot, and usually when I went off on certain girls they wouldn't tolerate it, they would immediately cut ties, while some girls would stick around after the "episode". I think (looking back) at least a good 6 girls fit the "quality chick" criteria that I'm looking for.

 

[Tenacity]

I find it amusing that you say this with one breath and the following in another.

Guru but I stated in another thread that I think I was wrong in that analysis though. I don't think those 5 - 6 women were quality at all. They had issues going on at that time which is why I usually go off on these chicks. I know going off isn't good....I'm getting better at it....but these people piss me off sometimes.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Guru, why bother? Most men in the younger generation today have no LTR standards and are entirely unaware that quality exists in anyone including themselves. To proclaim to a man to have standards and vet their women for LTRs by any means they feel appropriate appears as an alien language from the 9th dimension.

This dates back to the older SoSuave days, where you and Jophil used to have it out with Rollo and Str8up about "quality" and "whorres." Do you remember those days? Just circular arguments with no conclusions. The manosphere has entered the psyche of many of the RedPillers, to indoctrinate that all women are the same, so vetting, especially on the basis of promiscuity, is a waste of time.

Most guys are DESPERATE to cling to the fallacy of "no such thing as a high quality woman" because if there actually WERE such a thing, and there were "high quality" women that simply wouldn't spread their legs unless THEY were sure that the MAN was of equally "high quality," that would mean that those red-pill manosphere MGTOW types would have to acknowledge their problem is WITHIN THEMSELVES and not "the market."

The bottom line is that it is UNNATURAL for a women to bang quickly, it's not in her DNA. She is PROGRAMMED to TEST her potential mate for "high quality"

So by ONLY choosing to be with girls that "put out" without much resistance, you are effectively CONSTRAINING yourself to the "low quality women" market.

Which is why so many guys THINK that ALL women are low quality.

If they would actually FORCE THEMSELVES to sort for things other than sexual value, they would see this.

But since sexual promiscuity is ALL they are sorting for, they ONLY SEE low quality woman that are operating CONTRARY to millions of years of genetic programming.

Believe it or not, "Number of Sexual Partners," is a variable, and like other variables it comes with MEANS, STANDARD DEVIATIONS and DISTRIBUTION.

So do LOOKS.

So does INTELLIGENCE.

So does capability to DELAY GRATIFICATION.

A "high quality" women, subjectively speaking, is somebody who satisfies the following:

Low number of sexual partners.

High intelligence

Good looks

Capable of delaying gratification

These types of girls are INVISIBLE to low quality men.

I would suggest that you (whoever YOU are) strive to become a high quality man, not strive to come up with the best excuse for all the low quality women in your lives.

 

[Amer1group]

Most guys are DESPERATE to cling to the fallacy of "no such thing as a high quality woman" because if there actually WERE such a thing, and there were "high quality" women that simply wouldn't spread their legs unless THEY were sure that the MAN was of equally "high quality," that would mean that those red-pill manosphere MGTOW types would have to acknowledge their problem is WITHIN THEMSELVES and not "the market."

The bottom line is that it is UNNATURAL for a women to bang quickly, it's not in her DNA. She is PROGRAMMED to TEST her potential mate for "high quality"

So by ONLY choosing to be with girls that "put out" without much resistance, you are effectively CONSTRAINING yourself to the "low quality women" market.

Which is why so many guys THINK that ALL women are low quality.

If they would actually FORCE THEMSELVES to sort for things other than sexual value, they would see this.

But since sexual promiscuity is ALL they are sorting for, they ONLY SEE low quality woman that are operating CONTRARY to millions of years of genetic programming.

Believe it or not, "Number of Sexual Partners," is a variable, and like other variables it comes with MEANS, STANDARD DEVIATIONS and DISTRIBUTION.

So do LOOKS.

So does INTELLIGENCE.

So does capability to DELAY GRATIFICATION.

A "high quality" women, subjectively speaking, is somebody who satisfies the following:

Low number of sexual partners.

High intelligence

Good looks

Capable of delaying gratification

These types of girls are INVISIBLE to low quality men.

I would suggest that you (whoever YOU are) strive to become a high quality man, not strive to come up with the best excuse for all the low quality women in your lives.

^^^This.

Become a "high quality" man for yourself, not to satisfy the women, even if they are "high quality".

 

[EyeBRollin]

A woman who gives it up on date 2 is a *****.

How fast she gives it up has no correlation to her interest level. A lot of you in this thread are getting dumped on date 4 by the same chick you just banged on date 2 (low interest level!!).

Most chicks I encounter that aren't complete loons make me wait to dates 3-5 before giving it up. It's fully possible to bone on dates 1 or 2, especially if you go to multiple venues in one night. However, it's just best for the long term to spoon feed her a little more time each date because we are supposed to be raising her interest level.