What are the differences between short term game and long term game?
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CuddleJunkie
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Alpha you have to be in both, the difference striving in how much control of the girl you decide to take. In STR, you just look for overtaking her physically, on LTR, you want to own her physically, mentally, emotionally, socially...depending on how far you are into compromise. The more comprise you give to her, the more control she should gave up to you.
A lot of the "PUA" stuff that guys on this board hate DO work as short term game, especially if you are just looking for a one night stand or a lay in a couple dates. Now, if you are looking to turn it into a LTR then you would still use the concepts but you have to transition it to LTR game which could mean more of working on yourself so she can see that you have other priorities. As, you guys go on you do have to soften up every so often so she doesnt think you DONT care about her. There's gotta be some balance in a LTR. maybe something like 75% alpha, 25% beta.
Serenity
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Short-term: Pretend you're too good to lose.
Long-term: Genuinely be too good to lose.
Long-term: Genuinely be too good to lose.
Bible_Belt
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Communication is the key to a relationship. That sounds easy, but a lot of it from a man's point of view is understanding how women's emotions influence their words. One good trick that comes from the old book, Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, is to take a woman's words and preface them with "I feel as though____" So when she says what sounds like stupid sh!t that isn't true, she's not saying it is true. She's saying she feels that way. Do you see the difference? Accept her illogical feelings and don't argue with them - you can't win even when you are right.
Serenity
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If you gotta put up with crap in a long term relationship, then clearly you've picked a bad chick. Being financially secure (aka having money) is generally a good idea with or without a woman. If the woman you've picked for long term relationship depends on your money, then again you've clearly picked a bad chick.
The long term game is to make good decisions. Woman depends on others gain? Bad decision. Woman full of sh!t? Bad decision. Woman does nice things? Good decision. Woman shows stability over time? Good decision. Woman has a job and does not depend financially on a man? Good decision (this will save you the money issue).
Short term game is easy, you don't have to even consider anything except looks. Getting a woman off is simple, just build up gradually and fvck her brains out when you get to it. Works on every damn one of them. Muscles might attract the occasional bimbo, but I'd say charm is way more powerful and universally effective. Your social status can be faked as part of your game, works for short term. Will not work for long term as they will eventually find out.
Social status matters more for long term than short term. Why would a woman give a damn about a guys social status if he's just one of their dildos which they can toss out at any time? It would matter more for long term as they don't want to feel ashamed showing off the guy they're fvcking to friends and family.
wifehunter
Master Don Juan
From what I understand....
The short game has lot of time constraints and pressure to escalate etc. Because of the speed, you also risk getting involved with someone who is found out to be unfriendly. Seduction and sex is the goal.
The long game is more relaxed, and focused on getting to know the other person. And to quote Doc Love... "you can't go too slow, when it comes to romance." Also, a deep connection is more important here. Sex will happen, but is a small part of a larger picture. You get to expirience the other person's cuts, scrapes, pimples, stinky smells, good days and bad days etc. (Also, bad hair days.. lol!!!) Attachment, companionship , and intimacy are the goal. It's more like family vs the short game's... wham bam thank you ma'am.
The short game has lot of time constraints and pressure to escalate etc. Because of the speed, you also risk getting involved with someone who is found out to be unfriendly. Seduction and sex is the goal.
The long game is more relaxed, and focused on getting to know the other person. And to quote Doc Love... "you can't go too slow, when it comes to romance." Also, a deep connection is more important here. Sex will happen, but is a small part of a larger picture. You get to expirience the other person's cuts, scrapes, pimples, stinky smells, good days and bad days etc. (Also, bad hair days.. lol!!!) Attachment, companionship , and intimacy are the goal. It's more like family vs the short game's... wham bam thank you ma'am.
MrWood
Master Don Juan
@Bible_Belt
man: "I think foo bar"
woman: "I feel bar foo"
you have no need to tell a woman anything prefaced with "I feel..." or "you make me feel"
are you a woman?
do logical "men" feel about how to fix a transmission? No, we THINK about it, how, tools, procedure.
Women FEEL about things, they don't think.
We as men, FEEL love with a woman in a LTR, for your children, parents, perhaps your dog, and you can FEEL betrayed and disrespected by women in a LTR or STR.
Anything else, basically, should be how YOU feel about yourself.
the only time you should be telling her about your feelings, is how you feel after taking her supplicating dat azz and dripping pvssy was after you told her to get on her knees... because you FEEL like a m0thafvckin TIGER
man: "I think foo bar"
woman: "I feel bar foo"
you have no need to tell a woman anything prefaced with "I feel..." or "you make me feel"
are you a woman?
do logical "men" feel about how to fix a transmission? No, we THINK about it, how, tools, procedure.
Women FEEL about things, they don't think.
We as men, FEEL love with a woman in a LTR, for your children, parents, perhaps your dog, and you can FEEL betrayed and disrespected by women in a LTR or STR.
Anything else, basically, should be how YOU feel about yourself.
the only time you should be telling her about your feelings, is how you feel after taking her supplicating dat azz and dripping pvssy was after you told her to get on her knees... because you FEEL like a m0thafvckin TIGER
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I hate the word 'game'. It's the worst word for seducing woman. If you have to 'game' short term to have sex, you are pretending to be someone you are not to get something you want. If you have 'game' long term for a LTR, again you are pretending to be someone you are not.
Be authentic, be the real you, be the person who gives society what they need and girls will come banging down your door begging for sex and marriage. If you have to use 'game' to get and keep girls, it may work for a little while but sooner or later they will see right thru the charade. All style and no substance gets old very fast.
I almost think the questions on here shouldn't be on how to attract woman, they should be about how to make society great. Girls will be a byproduct of it.
ImTheDoubleGreatest!
Master Don Juan
I find this to be the opposite. In order to get a ONS (at least around these parts), it seems to me that you gotta be on top of your game at all times. You need to be alpha. But it an LTR she might think that you aren't as interested in her so you gotta give a little. How much depends on the specific girl and the situation, but you still gotta give a bit or else she'll think that you don't care about her at all. This is just throughout my experience anyways.
Seems to be a bit of a warped undercurrent of thought ITT that women necessarily reward the objectively 'highest value man' with their longterm commitment and that your ability to 'win' that commitment is the 'prize.'
Not sure I'd agree that's the case. Being 'Mr. Right' for most girls isn't a great guy to be. And good chances are several of her short term flings were probably out of her league--and your ability to keep her long term interest is only due to your willingness to stick around.
My long term/short term is more or less the same--the only difference is how long she decides to stick around and, more importantly, the extent to which she proves herself worth seeing again.
Not sure I'd agree that's the case. Being 'Mr. Right' for most girls isn't a great guy to be. And good chances are several of her short term flings were probably out of her league--and your ability to keep her long term interest is only due to your willingness to stick around.
My long term/short term is more or less the same--the only difference is how long she decides to stick around and, more importantly, the extent to which she proves herself worth seeing again.
RangerMIke
Master Don Juan
Yep... that's it.