A Long Time Out of the Game and I Don't Like What I'm Seeing

[djdfuser]

I was 15 years in a LTR with kids but 5 years ago it ended. I thought I'd got my sh!t together, caught up on dating, manosphere, got going on social media etc and I don't like what I see.

Women are all on fvcking Facebook with their noses in smart phones the whole time. They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

The truth is, these broads have no loyalty and can't be trusted. They bring nothing to the fvcking table and yet they're 'entitled' to everything. The first indication they've lost interest is withdrawing sex and you know you have to end it.

The advice here is play them at their own game, but that's creating the problem. It's enabling them to behave like this. For every bird you're enabling, some fvcker else is enabling yours. That is, no one is healthy and committed and we're all jumping from one rancid encounter to another.

 

[Tenacity]

I was 15 years in a LTR with kids but 5 years ago it ended. I thought I'd got my sh!t together, caught up on dating, manosphere, got going on social media etc and I don't like what I see.

Women are all on fvcking Facebook with their noses in smart phones the whole time. They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

The truth is, these broads have no loyalty and can't be trusted. They bring nothing to the fvcking table and yet they're 'entitled' to everything. The first indication they've lost interest is withdrawing sex and you know you have to end it.

The advice here is play them at their own game, but that's creating the problem. It's enabling them to behave like this. For every bird you're enabling, some fvcker else is enabling yours. That is, no one is healthy and committed and we're all jumping from one rancid encounter to another.

I have been saying this is the worse market of women ever. I'm glad guys are starting to see what I've been seeing.

Bro, the way to win in this new market is play the new game. That's treat women like rentals, strive to get the best you are gonna get from them, and when the lease is up (which occurs randomly) then replace her with a new chick. In the leasing world, this would be like leasing something with high obsolescence potential.

Oh yeah, don't do any long term legal relations, no marriage.....no kids....no moving her in. These are leases that are randomly called at anytime. So enjoy the "equipment" for the time being and when the lease is called, sign up for the next lease!

Matter of fact, make sure you have multiple leases going at the same time!

 

[djdfuser]

It's a bit hypocritical, dude. Two wrongs don't make a right. If they're about this sh!t, I ain't going to that level. Don't even want to know them.

 

[SkrooU]

I was 15 years in a LTR with kids but 5 years ago it ended. I thought I'd got my sh!t together, caught up on dating, manosphere, got going on social media etc and I don't like what I see.

Women are all on fvcking Facebook with their noses in smart phones the whole time. They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

The truth is, these broads have no loyalty and can't be trusted. They bring nothing to the fvcking table and yet they're 'entitled' to everything. The first indication they've lost interest is withdrawing sex and you know you have to end it.

The advice here is play them at their own game, but that's creating the problem. It's enabling them to behave like this. For every bird you're enabling, some fvcker else is enabling yours. That is, no one is healthy and committed and we're all jumping from one rancid encounter to another.

And they're getting fatter! Disgusting!

 

[sodbuster]

Once you've been Divorced, the dating pool is polluted with a bunch of crazy women who GOT Divorced...... the good ones probably stayed married. So, here we are.....

 

[djdfuser]

I never married, mate but yes. I get your point. I've been dating girls in their 20's, I'm in my 40's and fvck me it's an eye opener.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Like sodbuster said, most are crazy.

I went to a birthday dinner the other night. There were quite a few single 40ish women there. They were either fat/ugly or their personality was so offensive that you wanted nothing to do with them. One that was hitting on me wouldn't shut up about her job and how awesome she was. She mentioned that she was at the top of her department. I said, "So you like being on top?" She was so focused on herself and what was coming out of her own mouth that what I said never even registered in her hamster brain. She also mentioned that "No man is going to tell me what to do". Translation: I'm so selfish and self entitled that I'm incapable of being in a relationship with a man. And, as usual with many of the women I meet, never asked a single question about me. And they wonder why they're in their 40's and single...

-Augustus-

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Totally agree on women in their 20's and their faces buried in their phones all the time, Snapchattting or Facebooking a dozen different orbiters, old boy friends, etc.
It seems like they have the upper hand on the plate spinning. These same women, expect you and of their other moons to orbit them only though. And they give nothing to the relationship. NADA, Sometimes not even sex. And we are supposed to be grateful that they even text us or "like" one of our social media posts. We are supposed to fall on the floor with thanks for their garbage.

But yes, we are enabling them, en masse. For every man out there with a set of cubes who will walk away, there are 10 weak, sniveling Beta enablers to take his place. You can see it on social media with the likes and "you're beautiful" comments on every picture they post. It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[Tenacity]

Guys the market has changed but if you guys just ADAPT to the new market....you will do fine.

Basically throw out the traditional shyt. Feminism is here people, there are positives and negatives to Feminism. The positives say women can do more than push out kids, cook, and clean...which is true. The negatives have women as a GROUP looking to OPPRESS anybody that they feel represents traditional patriarchy...

- This is why MANY men who hold open doors, pull out chairs, pay for dates, and take up the "traditional" man role usually get screwed in the dating process and screwed over in the relationship process.

- This is why MANY men who enter into legal relationships get screwed in the Family Court as well as screwed in just having to deal with an angry wife or baby momma all the time.

The new rules are simple:

- Become either a PLAYER. Simple. That's the solution. Say what a bytch wants to hear, fvck her, seek to get as much benefits from her as you can while you can (sex, money, attention, etc.) and when she starts acting a damn fool or becomes intolerable....REPLACE HER.

- Never have just one chick, have yourself a main chick and at least 2 side chicks.

- Never let yourself go, because all of these engagements with women are short term lease agreements that can be called at anytime. You are only renting her. So you should find yourself ALWAYS on the "prowl" for new women to come into your plate set.

- Never pay for a chick on a date UNLESS you have an 80% estimate she's fvcking. Use the telephone and texting to filter this. If you haven't phone sexed her, sent nude pics, etc.....she's most likely not fvcking. No pvssy = No date bytch.

- Never enter any legal relationship with any American woman. Don't live with her, don't marry her, don't have any kids by her.

If you adapt to these new rules and this new environment, you won't get screwed. You WILL go through a red pill rage period, I'm still going through it. But eventually, I promise you (like I promise myself) you will eventually settle in to this NEW WAY OF LIFE.

 

[djdfuser]

Yep. Orbiters being anything from romantic scrote shriveling chumps who'll pay for dinner forever, be a shoulder to cry on, text 100 times a day for the tiniest sniff. To exe's disguised as 'friends', fvck buddies, their married boss/bosses, dudes at work with G/F's, dudes without, wanna be bad boys who'll treat them like a POS at the click of their fingers......

No matter how tight your game, like for like you just can't compete with that. They've got every single angle covered. One mention from you of an ex-girlfriend and we've got a mini mental breakdown on out hands.

WTF? I despair.

TENACITY. You're a clever bloke, literate etc. Your other thread is the one on anger. Summats not working, mate.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Don't you think that the joke is at least a little bit on the women because all of these man-satellites are also likewise orbiting multiple planets hoping that one of them will bring them in for a lay or two. But like you all said, don't let THEM know you spin plates, heaven forbid. It's all ME ME ME crap. It seems like doting fathers and the absentee fathers both create little black hole, vacuum anti matter sucking little divas who continue to act that way for far longer than it is cute to do so.

 

[The Duke]

And, as usual with many of the women I meet, never asked a single question about me. And they wonder why they're in their 40's and single...
-Augustus-

I see the same thing 90pct of the time.

 

[The Duke]

After I divorced my HB8 exwife, we stayed in touch from time to time and I always asked about her orbiters. She had one that would come over and cook for her, clean her apartment when she was gone, listen to all her problems, and mop up the emotional mess when some badboy screwed her over. Sometimes they would have movie night together and all he ever got was a chance to lay next to her on the couch. He never made any moves. He always thought something "magical" was going to happen and she was going to fall for him. Lol, it never did. In the end she got serious for some other guy and didn't need this orbiter anymore. Once he got the message, he ended up getting really butt hurt and heart broken.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

After I divorced my HB8 exwife, we stayed in touch from time to time and I always asked about her orbiters. She had one that would come over and cook for her, clean her apartment when she was gone, listen to all her problems, and mop up the emotional mess when some badboy screwed her over. Sometimes they would have movie night together and all he ever got was a chance to lay next to her on the couch. He never made any moves. He always thought something "magical" was going to happen and she was going to fall for him. Lol, it never did. In the end she got serious for some other guy and didn't need this orbiter anymore. Once he got the message, he ended up getting really butt hurt and heart broken.

That makes me incredibly sad just to read. Jesus. My experience tells me you can't ever escape the friend zone. If you are in it, you have to let go

 

[ubercat]

Well there are different levels of Hell. In my AFC years I orbited a handful of chicks. Did all the usual shameful things for them. However I sometimes got laid just because I like to touch a woman and was willing to try it on. So yeah physical escalation is the only way out of the friend zone. And once you seen the light from the red pill physical escalation is in a good way to screen interest level on that first date if you re an average Joe. I m not rich, good looking, ripped or have the stellar career. Working on all of those things however right now I am Joe Average. With a reasonable amount of game and the physical escalation button taped on I don't have much problem coming up with plaits and eventually girlfriends. Admittedly I like Asian girls so there is pre selection going on. Maybe some of you guys should Hunt immigrant girls the American girls I've met just hurt my ears.

 

[Solomon]

Guys the market has changed but if you guys just ADAPT to the new market....you will do fine.

Basically throw out the traditional shyt. Feminism is here people, there are positives and negatives to Feminism. The positives say women can do more than push out kids, cook, and clean...which is true. The negatives have women as a GROUP looking to OPPRESS anybody that they feel represents traditional patriarchy...

- This is why MANY men who hold open doors, pull out chairs, pay for dates, and take up the "traditional" man role usually get screwed in the dating process and screwed over in the relationship process.

- This is why MANY men who enter into legal relationships get screwed in the Family Court as well as screwed in just having to deal with an angry wife or baby momma all the time.

The new rules are simple:

- Become either a PLAYER. Simple. That's the solution. Say what a bytch wants to hear, fvck her, seek to get as much benefits from her as you can while you can (sex, money, attention, etc.) and when she starts acting a damn fool or becomes intolerable....REPLACE HER.

- Never have just one chick, have yourself a main chick and at least 2 side chicks.

- Never let yourself go, because all of these engagements with women are short term lease agreements that can be called at anytime. You are only renting her. So you should find yourself ALWAYS on the "prowl" for new women to come into your plate set.

- Never pay for a chick on a date UNLESS you have an 80% estimate she's fvcking. Use the telephone and texting to filter this. If you haven't phone sexed her, sent nude pics, etc.....she's most likely not fvcking. No pvssy = No date bytch.

- Never enter any legal relationship with any American woman. Don't live with her, don't marry her, don't have any kids by her.

If you adapt to these new rules and this new environment, you won't get screwed. You WILL go through a red pill rage period, I'm still going through it. But eventually, I promise you (like I promise myself) you will eventually settle in to this NEW WAY OF LIFE.

THis is spot on but sadly this is useless if you want LTR...too much work spinning plates

But your advice is spot on

The women now a days are garbage unless you are in the top 10% as a guy or have an exceptionally social circle meeting women that are worth the effort is hard, add the fact that competition in the field has gotton stiff and well

 

[Prodoge]

Guys the market has changed but if you guys just ADAPT to the new market....you will do fine.

Basically throw out the traditional shyt. Feminism is here people, there are positives and negatives to Feminism. The positives say women can do more than push out kids, cook, and clean...which is true. The negatives have women as a GROUP looking to OPPRESS anybody that they feel represents traditional patriarchy...

- This is why MANY men who hold open doors, pull out chairs, pay for dates, and take up the "traditional" man role usually get screwed in the dating process and screwed over in the relationship process.

- This is why MANY men who enter into legal relationships get screwed in the Family Court as well as screwed in just having to deal with an angry wife or baby momma all the time.

The new rules are simple:

- Become either a PLAYER. Simple. That's the solution. Say what a bytch wants to hear, fvck her, seek to get as much benefits from her as you can while you can (sex, money, attention, etc.) and when she starts acting a damn fool or becomes intolerable....REPLACE HER.

- Never have just one chick, have yourself a main chick and at least 2 side chicks.

- Never let yourself go, because all of these engagements with women are short term lease agreements that can be called at anytime. You are only renting her. So you should find yourself ALWAYS on the "prowl" for new women to come into your plate set.

- Never pay for a chick on a date UNLESS you have an 80% estimate she's fvcking. Use the telephone and texting to filter this. If you haven't phone sexed her, sent nude pics, etc.....she's most likely not fvcking. No pvssy = No date bytch.

- Never enter any legal relationship with any American woman. Don't live with her, don't marry her, don't have any kids by her.

If you adapt to these new rules and this new environment, you won't get screwed. You WILL go through a red pill rage period, I'm still going through it. But eventually, I promise you (like I promise myself) you will eventually settle in to this NEW WAY OF LIFE.

Does this apply only in the US or all over the world? I live in France but unfortunately I am still young and don't have the experience to judge. To be honest I find it hard to believe that quality women are so rare these days.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Does this apply only in the US or all over the world? I live in France but unfortunately I am still young and don't have the experience to judge. To be honest I find it hard to believe that quality women are so rare these days.

It's not just quality women in short supply, it's quality people. It's like people are being raised by wolves, male and female. I can count the truly decent people, decent to the core, that I have in my life on one hand. It's like the whole of humanity has lost its way.

 

[Prodoge]

It's not just quality women in short supply, it's quality people. It's like people are being raised by wolves, male and female. I can count the truly decent people, decent to the core, that I have in my life on one hand. It's like the whole of humanity has lost its way.

How can I know if I am a quality person ? And if not how do I become one ?

 

[Tenacity]

It's not just quality women in short supply, it's quality people. It's like people are being raised by wolves, male and female. I can count the truly decent people, decent to the core, that I have in my life on one hand. It's like the whole of humanity has lost its way.

^^^ This. I tell people all of the time....most women AIN'T shyt and most men AIN'T shyt. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Was is the women that were corrupt first, then in response to the corrupt women the men became corrupt as well? Or were the men corrupt first, then the women became corrupt, and now we are all corrupt?

Who knows. All I know is that we on this site come here with our "woman" issues.

- Some guys have issues with women from just a general dating standpoint by trying to get a damn TELEPHONE number from a chick to have a simple telephone conversation.

- Some guys have issues with getting women to put out sex.

- Some guys have issues with getting women to be loyal, respectful, relationship partners.

- Some guys have issues with women screwing them over legally through either the Family Court or through fake sexual assault/harassment/domestic violence charges.

I like to look at the big picture, and all of these issues we as guys have on an individual level with women in general, is coming from a landscape shift in ATTITUDE in the vast majority of women in terms of how they deal with men. It's called the negative effects of Feminism and it's also called Gynocentrism.

To combat this, we come here and formulate various tips, techniques, and strategies....but to me that's always been stupid. That's like coming up with techniques and strategies to HIT IT BIG in the Casino, when the system of the Casino is SETUP so that the House always wins. Sure, you will get a few minor wins here or there........but when it's all said and done.........the House always wins.

That's the market of women we are dealing with right now if you decide to be with women from a dating/romantic standpoint. You are going to have some wins here or there, but ultimately, women will cost you time, energy, and finances in some capacity.

- It might be a lot of wasted dates you paid for that go no where

- It might be a lot of wasted time you spent on chicks that go no where

- It might be a divorce that financially crushes you

- It might be having to pay out of the a.ss for child support, but only able to see your kid 4 days a month

- It might be having to go to jail on false charges

- It might involve being bullied by black women growing up or told you are "less than" because you aren't some media created "dope dealer/thug/gangsta"

- Or, it could be a combination of all of the above or worse....it could literally BE all of the above

How can I know if I am a quality person ? And if not how do I become one ?

It's if you still maintain a sense of traditional good, wholesome, family values. Unfortunately, there's a much higher chance of you being eaten alive in this market with those values, rather than finding someone that matches them.

The only solution to this market is to become CORRUPT. I'm sorry, that's the truth.

Denzel's character in Training Day said to protect the sheep, you kill the wolves, but it takes a WOLF to kill a WOLF. You have to become a Player, opt out of ALL legal relationships with women (no marriage, child creation, or living with them), and you have to use them for the ONLY benefit they have left...............sexual companionship.

Never fall in love, never have just ONE woman, never do any legal relationship, and for the most part.....try not to really even be solely committed to ONE woman in any relationship. Spin plates. Fvck them. Enjoy their sexual companionship while they are offering it and realize all of them are SHORT TERM LEASE AGREEMENTS that can be called at anytime. So never get truly emotionally attached to any woman.

Sorry, I know that's harsh. But when somebody refutes my analysis, I'll stfu lol.