Man gets beaten to death by police for approaching women at a coffee shop

[corrector]

This happened in my country:

It said that this guy was shy around women and kept to himself. He approached some or a number of women at a coffee shop and started groping them.

Do black people on this board face similar challenges when approaching women that you are worried about police brutality if some crazy chick calls the police on you if an approach goes south? This is all crazy.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

This happened in my country:

It said that this guy was shy around women and kept to himself. He approached some or a number of women at a coffee shop and started groping them.

Do black people on this board face similar challenges when approaching women that you are worried about police brutality if some crazy chick calls the police on you if an approach goes south? This is all crazy.

Seems awful. My heart goes out to the family and these police should be prosecuted if the evidence is there, though you don't see the beating in the video.

And just so you're aware, this happened to 326 white people in America last year, far more than anyone else. Maybe you didn't know because your local newspaper didn't tell you, but you shouldn't racialize it immediately. Police brutality is a colorless issue.

 

[CuddleJunkie]

>for approaching women
>he started groping them
Of course, that is not a valid reason to kill someone, but the thread's name is misleading at best.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

>for approaching women
>he started groping them
Of course, that is not a valid reason to kill someone, but the thread's name is misleading at best.

Seems like now days when they can get "the kill" they get it in. Kinda like hunting or fishing for sport. Most of the time people could've been restrained or incapacitated so they can be cuffed and brought in for justice.

 

[corrector]

Seems awful. My heart goes out to the family and these police should be prosecuted if the evidence is there, though you don't see the beating in the video.

And just so you're aware, this happened to 326 white people in America last year, far more than anyone else. Maybe you didn't know because your local newspaper didn't tell you, but you shouldn't racialize it immediately. Police brutality is a colorless issue.

How many of these 326 white people got shot, arrested, or even interacted with police because they approached a woman? I'm sure if they got shot, the officer's life was probably in danger, or they were unable to talk the suspect down, unable to tase him, and did that as a last resort. With blacks, the narrative is they shoot for the most nonsensical reasons or "I don't know", as in the case of black therapist in Miami. In this case, you have an unarmed black man who was already taken down and handcuffed before the officer beat him to death.

The question, if it were a white person going around and approaching women and groping them, would they have ended up dead with police beating like that or maybe just have a talk and then a warning, or even a citation as a worst possible outcome? That's the thing with white privilege is that in many cases, whites get the benefit of the doubt. Take the Brock Turner who got a six month sentence for actually raping an unconcious woman near a dumpster. You want to compare that with someone who just snapped and started touching people and not say there is some racial double-standard? The problem with prosecution of police is that people are always willing to give the police, not the victim, the benefit of the doubt, even in the face of clear evidence, especially if the person is a black immigrant.

Now, I don't mean to distract from the point. This is a Don Juan sosuave board, and of course, here we are seeing how far something could go wrong when dealing with a woman. Here is a guy, who is shy with women, who keeps to himself and is a classic introvert, and ends up with a violent death. I think that should strike a cord here because not only do you have to worry about rejection, or being ignored on approach, if some lady calls the police and says she "feels threatened" then you have these bizarre potential outcomes as well.

Now, granted, I'm not sure if he touched a white woman or someone from his own Somalian community. He also got married in his home country so he can't be like a total "incel".

 

[corrector]

>for approaching women
>he started groping them
Of course, that is not a valid reason to kill someone, but the thread's name is misleading at best.

Lets talking about groping on approach. That would be an example of an aggressive and high-risk escalation. That's an issue of very poor calibration and judgment. The opposite problem is that people do not escalate at all because they are worried they'll turn-off the lady or she'll see you as a perv or creep. It's a very fine line at trying to find balance.

Or is this an issue of SMV. If you have high SMV, you could grope any woman and they'll want to do you? I mean, if the guy were Justin Bieber and he went into a coffee shop and did that for kicks? This guy is on the low end of the SMV, and groped a lady with a higher SMV and this happened. What would you make of that here?

 

[MrWood]

How police properly deal with incidents outside of America.

 

[Asmodeus]

@corrector

The question, if it were a white person going around and approaching women and groping them, would they have ended up dead with police beating like that or maybe just have a talk and then a warning, or even a citation as a worst possible outcome?

I do not think this was so much about race. He had a history of mental illness... I know many instances where this happened. A police shooting of a teenage boy happened just outside MY HOME earlier this month and he had a history of mental illness. I know a lot of people with behavioral/psychological/mental illness, and I can tell you that it is not about race as they all have the same experiences. They are the real outcasts of society.

Officers do not know how to identify people with mental health issues, and certainly are not trained in handling these cases. People with mental illness can have trouble with following directions especially when they are anxious or stressed as in this situation.

 

[Julian]

people with mental illness can also stab you in the throat with broken glass.

I dont get why people blame cops when a fkin mentally ill person has the potential to kill said officers/women in cafe.

 

[corrector]

@corrector

I do not think this was so much about race. He had a history of mental illness... I know many instances where this happened. A police shooting of a teenage boy happened just outside MY HOME earlier this month and he had a history of mental illness. I know a lot of people with behavioral/psychological/mental illness, and I can tell you that it is not about race as they all have the same experiences. They are the real outcasts of society.

Officers do not know how to identify people with mental health issues, and certainly are not trained in handling these cases. People with mental illness can have trouble with following directions especially when they are anxious or stressed as in this situation.

If you read up on him, it sounds like he just snapped and decided to approach women and grope them. I do not have a history of mental illness myself. I could decide to just go out there, out of my own free will, and start asking women if they want to fvck me, or hold up a card-box sign saying, "kiss-me, I'm desperate", etc.... whatever. You see pranks like this on youtube all the time. I know people are calling this mental illness but groping women sounds like the kid is horny and is unfortunately a male in the very low SMV category and a higher SMV female. If this was Justin Beiber or a hot attractive white guy that did the same thing, would the woman have accepted that behaviour as flirting rather than calling the police?

I guess he should have simply used a local escort or prostitute if he was that girl-hungry rather than do that with random women in public. Again, there is no telling what damage a woman who is rejecting your advances (i.e. of whatever form that is) could do to you. I used to have a strong desire to want to grope a women in public. Since I saw them escorts back in December, 2014 that desire went away since I selected an escort with a nice a$$ and kept groping her over and over again very hard and feeling her a$$ against my hands.

That being said, what options does a desperate low-SMV guy have apart from ending up dead with a police beating?

 

[BlueAlpha1]

How many of these 326 white people got shot, arrested, or even interacted with police because they approached a woman?

Well since this happened in Canada I guess we're talking a worldwide scale now. Did you know there are now "misogyny laws" now in some towns in Britain that can get you arrested for flirting with women in public? You know that "manspreading" is now illegal on NYC subways? Now brace yourself for the real kicker: the law applies to white people too!

I'm sure if they got shot, the officer's life was probably in danger, or they were unable to talk the suspect down, unable to tase him, and did that as a last resort.

You're sure all 326 of them were clean? Interesting how you give the police a 100% clean bill of sale when it comes to white victims, but you give them a 100% guilty verdict as you parrot the Black Lives Matter lies. This is called racism, actually.

With blacks, the narrative is they shoot for the most nonsensical reasons or "I don't know", as in the case of black therapist in Miami. In this case, you have an unarmed black man who was already taken down and handcuffed before the officer beat him to death.

Unarmed like Michael Brown, who robbed a store, assaulted a clerk, then got into a fight with a cop and tried to take is gun, before he was lawfully stopped?

That's the thing with white privilege is that in many cases, whites get the benefit of the doubt. Take the Brock Turner who got a six month sentence for actually raping an unconcious woman near a dumpster.

There is nothing called white privilege. It's a myth. And the facts of the Turner case are very cloudy, it was hard to convict him to a heavy sentence because there is reasonable doubt that the woman had previously consented before passing out.

You want to compare that with someone who just snapped and started touching people and not say there is some racial double-standard?

You want to compare OJ Simpson who got off on killing two people with the race card and Scott Peterson who is facing the death penalty for killing one person and say there is not a racial double-standard?

The problem with prosecution of police is that people are always willing to give the police, not the victim, the benefit of the doubt, even in the face of clear evidence, especially if the person is a black immigrant.

Like you did before when you asserted that all 326 whites killed were clean and justified? Hypocrisy defined.

My friend, you're not doing well so far

 

[corrector]

Well since this happened in Canada I guess we're talking a worldwide scale now. Did you know there are now "misogyny laws" now in some towns in Britain that can get you arrested for flirting with women in public? You know that "manspreading" is now illegal on NYC subways? Now brace yourself for the real kicker: the law applies to white people too!

The law may apply to white people, but the brunt of people who are arrested and jail are blacks and hispanics. Some of these things are simply things that have to be googled to confirm what I am saying. However, the intent of this thread is not to start a discussion about race and the criminal justice system. The intent is to talk about "misogyny laws", as you say, and blame what happened to this man on such laws or societal standards.

You're sure all 326 of them were clean? Interesting how you give the police a 100% clean bill of sale when it comes to white victims, but you give them a 100% guilty verdict as you parrot the Black Lives Matter lies. This is called racism, actually.

I'm sorry, can you give me an example of any one of the 326 men who were killed because they approached a random woman in public?
I've provided an example of a black person on this thread. The only reason I've cared about this particular killing enough to post it is not because the man is black, or BLM, but because this appears to be a consequence of a rejection from a woman that may have not been anticipated by this man before he started interacting with these women. There have been many police killings of blacks and I never made a single thread about any of them until this particular one touched a nerve. You don't shoot or kill men who approach women, who flirt with women, or who even grope women. A man liking a woman and wanting some action transcends all racial boundaries.

Unarmed like Michael Brown, who robbed a store, assaulted a clerk, then got into a fight with a cop and tried to take is gun, before he was lawfully stopped?

Michael Brown did not flirt with any woman, therefore I'm not focused on that particular issue. If a woman is involved, then it's relevant to this discussion.

There is nothing called white privilege. It's a myth. And the facts of the Turner case are very cloudy, it was hard to convict him to a heavy sentence because there is reasonable doubt that the woman had previously consented before passing out.

A woman is involved in the Turner case, therefore this case is relevant. He did not end up being beaten to death by the police there.
Before, we go there, do you think, if the guy was black that it would have had the same outcome?

You want to compare OJ Simpson who got off on killing two people with the race card and Scott Peterson who is facing the death penalty for killing one person and say there is not a racial double-standard?

OJ Simpson has no problem in the woman department, why would I care about him in this discussion? He had a white wife. Must have felt he made it.

[quote="BlueAlpha1]

Like you did before when you asserted that all 326 whites killed were clean and justified? Hypocrisy defined.

My friend, you're not doing well so far[/QUOTE]

I asserted that 326 whites were not killed because they approached and flirted with a woman, not that they were cleaned and justified. This thread is about social and sexual dynamics between men and women and society and how police deal with these dynamics. I am not making this into a race issue beyond approaching women, flirting, and yes, groping.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I don't think was about approaching a women per se, rather it was about some poor dude with mental issues. The issue was he did SOMETHING that made SOMEBODY call the cops. I don't think this would happen to somebody who was emotionally balanced. Sure an emotionally balanced person can approach a women, get rejected, get angry, and have the cops come as a response. But an emotionally balanced is going to see this big angry cops with guns coming down and respond the way an emotionally balanced person would, which is to not try and fight them.

Only folks with EXTREME ANGER or mental issues tend to fight the cops. I'm not blaming the victim, I'm not saying that people with EXTREME ANGER aren't justified in having that anger, I'm not blaming people for having mental issues. But the BOTTOM LINE is cops also have a lot of anger issues. And with gang of dudes with guns and anger issues and the power of the STATE behind them come up against either an angry guy or a guy with unstable emotions, the likelihood of death INCREASES significantly.

To be sure, cops are NOT TRAINED enough and might not even be emotionally capable enough to deal with angry people or emotionally unstable people without needing to beat them to death.

There's also the WHITE KNIGHT effect. Cops are not immune to be overzealous on protecting some innocent women, even if it means a beat down. We humans really are not too far removed from the jungle, and a lot of these alpha-hero cops likely believe (on a subconscious or instinctive level) that beating a guy to death in front of a women is an appropriate thing to do.

All one can do is learn from this event and don't fight with mountain gorilla silver backs with guns when they come for you.

AND most importantly (since this IS a SoSuave board) when a girl rejects you, getting butt hurt in ANY WAY will only make things worse.

 

[corrector]

All one can do is learn from this event and don't fight with mountain gorilla silver backs with guns when they come for you.

AND most importantly (since this IS a SoSuave board) when a girl rejects you, getting butt hurt in ANY WAY will only make things worse.

Agreed. It's hard on the ego to get a rejection. This article shows that retaliatory actions such as groping or being overly aggressive are a bad reaction to a social rejection and if she's not accepting your flirting, to move on quickly. Maybe there is another girl that would be okay with that. If you are a black man, avoid groping white women, especially in southern states, and at Trump gatherings. It could turn ugly. Or, that approaching a girl and groping her is just a bad idea since you don't know if she'd like that from a random stranger, or freak out and call the police on you.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Are we talking approaching or groping? These are two VERY different things.

Moreover I am sure it was not the groping which got him killed.

Lastly, you say this is meant to be about misogyny and not about race and police, but in your original post you ask if this sort of thing happens to other BLACK men. If your intent was not on race, why the focus on blacks?

These are the tactics that are used. Set the bait by bringing up race, use inflammatory double standards, and when a person responds scream "RACIST!"

Did you see Bill O'Reilly blunder recently? Played right into Michelle Obama's hands. The privileged queen who takes $250,000 weekends in Morocco starts talking about slavery again, and Bill O'Reilly states they were "well fed". Now the media is ripping his throat out for "justifying slavery". Nevermind Michelle's "fvck you white people", you know, 150 years later.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I always turn it right around and ask what people thought about the other races enslaving. They just get enraged like little toddlers.

I tell people to look at a map of modern day slavery. It's interesting how North America, Europe, and Australia are the only continents that have lawfully abolished it, 100%. It's RAMPANT in Africa and Asia, and there are still remnants in South America.

Whenever anti-white racists talk about reparations, I ask do I apply under the Barbary Slave Trade where a million of my ancestors were enslaved across North Africa? There was no one treated worse than the Irish throughout history.

But that's usually the point they change the subject quickly. Liberals do not have a rulebook when it comes to debate

 

[corrector]

Are we talking approaching or groping? These are two VERY different things.

Moreover I am sure it was not the groping which got him killed.

Lastly, you say this is meant to be about misogyny and not about race and police, but in your original post you ask if this sort of thing happens to other BLACK men. If your intent was not on race, why the focus on blacks?

I'm trying to spin this into approaching, however, the more I read into the story, the harder it is to even try to put that narrative together. I did some further research into it, and it turns out he was talking to a couple at a table, and it appeared he tried to grab the lady's breasts. The lady's partner suggested to call the police. That was it. Also he was married in his country. It's unlikely he never dealt with a woman before in his life and just did this out of the blue (hence my initial sympathy for the article) I don't consider hitting on another man's lady and trying to grope her a valid approach or something worthy of discussion on here and may have went to far and try to spin this into an approach gone wrong.

However, as I've opened up the discussion, people on here are free to share their horror stories with cold approaching women. My guess is most of the time, unless you have really good looks, you are just going to be ignored. I'm not sure of some of the extreme types of reactions you can get.

I am not the one focusing on blacks, it's people like BlueAlpha1 who actually is. I challenged him to provide some white statistics of approaches with women gone south to the point of being beaten to death. I'm still waiting for his reply.

 

[corrector]

For the record, nobody reading this thread has any unique story to share about any encounter with law enforcement RELATED to dealing with any women, and in particularly, an approach gone south? Nobody at all?

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I've had on a couple of occassions women be extremely b1tchy when I approached them.

But I have never had the cops called on me, although I'm more than capable of navigating a b1tch and her manipulations, even with police. It also helps to not just grab their tits.

I was recently ripped on the forum because I wasn't escalating with a foreign girl (who have a very different style) within 10 minutes of the first date

Granted, I balked because I was so attracted to her that fear crept in, and didn't get the lay in the end. But seriously, look what happens if you escalate too quick. You get called a rapist and end up dead.

 

[corrector]

I know on youtube they have these pranks going out. These guys go up to random women, and they end up making-out/groping sessions with them. They are all over youtube. Many people think these are all fake and that the ladies are actresses that are paid.

Personally, I have never tried this out for kicks. I have to admit, the thought had crossed my mind, but opening girls like that or attempting to make out with them, like they do in these videos sounds like you can set yourself up for allot of trouble if you deal with the wrong girl. Sort of like Russian roulette.