10 SJW Myths That Will Not Die

[Tenacity]

When a guy calls me a racist and then pitifully, post after post, tries to smear me and cannot produce a single phrase I've written that backs up his charge, I am done trying to talk.

He's pathetic, serial liar and I have no use for him.

I agree, I feel the same way when they call me a Coon. I just don't understand why liberals, moderates and conservatives can't come together and have real discussions...without demonizing each other.

- Conservatives think all of the problems in the world are the fault of those low income people.

- Liberals think all of the problems in the world are the fault of those high income people.

The faults of our world are due to the Global NWO, all of these other things are nothing but distractions setup to get you to THINK they are the root cause.

 

[Tictac]

Since I'm neither liberal nor conservative but have some sympathy for your NWO idea, I have no idea how to 'discuss' things with a lot of people here.

But if you want to call me a racist? GFY.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Because I am not even arguing with him now. I am just trying to understand how he thinks.....I hoped that he would try to explain his solution. Anyone who truly believes there is a problem should have thought about how to solve it.

I want to know what his solution is. Seems reasonable doesn't it?

He doesn't have an argument. It's vague generalities & liberal doubletalk.

The conservatives, the free thinkers, "the whites" - whatever you want to call them, have won this debate. The two or three SJW's scurried their way out of this thread days ago.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

There is racism, and sexism, and whatever 'ism' you are offended by wherever you go. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you are a minority group you and your fellow group members are incapable of it. That is fem-speak propaganda. When a feminist says, "All men are rapists" that is sexism. When a black man says "white people oppress black people" that is racism.
It is because it is assigning values to an entire group.
As for Jewish people and Asian people having privilege, just maybe it is because they work dammed hard....

I used to live in a black only community. I would be the only white guy playing basketball on the courts. Did I expect to be made fun of and hassled? Hell yeah...does that mean I was the victim of racism? Maybe, but I just thought it was because I was the odd one out.

Is there racism or sexism enshrined within our culture? Absolutely. Black scholarships, woman-only scholarships is financial support based on gender and skin-color. Does that mean that white males are prejudiced against? A scholarship just for white males would be seen as sexist and racist.
Fortunately America has an enormous body of laws and beauracracy to protect equal rights.

Every aware thing on the planet judges others based on similarity or difference to themselves. People are no different.

I used to be a doorman. I had about 6 seconds to decide whether someone was going to get into my club. I am not going to let you in if you have prison tattoos or gang related clothing. I know you might be the nicest guy in the world but 20 years of experience has shown me that if you come in there will probably be trouble. Am I profiling, being racist or judgemental? Maybe. It isn't fair or right but I am not a civil rights lawyer.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

There is racism, and sexism, and whatever 'ism' you are offended by wherever you go. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because you are a minority group you and your fellow group members are incapable of it. That is fem-speak propaganda. When a feminist says, "All men are rapists" that is sexism. When a black man says "white people oppress black people" that is racism.
It is because it is assigning values to an entire group.
As for Jewish people and Asian people having privilege, just maybe it is because they work dammed hard....

I used to live in a black only community. I would be the only white guy playing basketball on the courts. Did I expect to be made fun of and hassled? Hell yeah...does that mean I was the victim of racism? Maybe, but I just thought it was because I was the odd one out.

Is there racism or sexism enshrined within our culture? Absolutely. Black scholarships, woman-only scholarships is financial support based on gender and skin-color. Does that mean that white males are prejudiced against? A scholarship just for white males would be seen as sexist and racist.
Fortunately America has an enormous body of laws and beauracracy to protect equal rights.

Every aware thing on the planet judges others based on similarity or difference to themselves. People are no different.

I used to be a doorman. I had about 6 seconds to decide whether someone was going to get into my club. I am not going to let you in if you have prison tattoos or gang related clothing. I know you might be the nicest guy in the world but 20 years of experience has shown me that if you come in there will probably be trouble. Am I profiling, being racist or judgemental? Maybe. It isn't fair or right but I am not a civil rights lawyer.

Everything is topsy turvy though. Everything we know to be true we're told it's the opposite. Not only is there not "systemic racism" against blacks or "patriarchy" against women, but white men face more discrimination than anyone in the 21st century west. White men are a target for shaming at best. The more sinister liberal actors like Tavis Smiley or Cenk Uygur are quite open about the fact they want an ethnic cleansing and a systematic "browning" of America

 

[Tenacity]

Well, the SJWs have changed a lot of the definitions to fit their narrative, but here's my perspective on the major terms.

Discrimination is to exclude some person, some thing or some place based on personal preference. So, based on this:

- When I decide to only vacation in Florida and not Vegas, I'm discriminating against Vegas.

- When a chick says she only ****s thugs/criminals and not educated/good men, she's discriminating against the educated/good men.

- When a chick says she will only **** men over 6'0, she's discriminating against men under 6'0.

- When a guy says he will not fvck fat chicks, he's discriminating against fat chicks.

- When a loan company says they will only fund clients with 650 plus FICO scores with good incomes, good debt to income ratios and good net worth statuses, they are discriminating against those clients/applicants who do not fit said criteria.

- When I state that I will only drink Budlight and no other type of beer, I'm discriminating against those other beers.

- When a company says they will only cater to high net worth clients, they are discriminating against low net worth clients.

- When a company says they will only hire someone with a master's degree, they are discriminating against those candidates who do not have one.

You got it?

Now, racism is to discriminate (exclude) based primarily on skin color. Sexism is to exclude based primarily on gender. Religion discrimination is to exclude based primarily on someone's religion.

- Thus, the NFL is sexist because they do not allow women to try out for the all men's football league. The NBA is sexiest as well because they don't allow women to try out for the all men's basketball team. The WWE is sexiest because they don't allow women to compete for the World Heavyweight Title.

- Thus, most churches are discriminating against other individuals who do not share the religion that they share, thus, they are not welcoming of said individuals into their worship service which does not cater to them.

You got it?

So at the end of the day, WE ALL DISCRIMINATE, as discrimination is based on nothing but personal preference. SJWs have changed the definition of racism to mean only a group in power can be racist, but that's not true. Anybody can be racist, a racist is someone who excludes a particular person or group based primarily on their skin color.

Here's where it gets tricky though. Back prior to the 1960's, white people discriminated against black people for NO OTHER REASON than being black. That was RACISM.

But today, A LOT of white people and A LOT of black people discriminate against other "types" of black people based on their bad/stupid/thug behavior. This discrimination is labeled as racism, when it's not racism. It's discrimination....based on a personal preference of not wanting to deal with, be around, or live around....thugs, ratchet chicks and ghetto culture.

 

[Tenacity]

To add to this:

Profiling is the same as stereotyping, which is to PRE-JUDGE something based on what you perceive to be an estimated action, thought, end-result, or choice that the person, place, or thing will make......before the person, place, or thing actually makes the action, thought, end-result, or choice.

We ALL PROFILE people, places, and things.

- If Brock Lesnar came walking up to me beat red, huffing and puffing.....I'm going to pre-judge that he's about to kick the living shyt out to me. That's profiling Lesnar. Lesnar could very well be about to come up an give me a big, fat, hug.

- If a snake is found in my grass, I'm going to run like a bytch becasue I'm pre-judging that the snake will attack me. The snake very well could be as scared of me as I am of it, and has no plans to do any harm.

- If I'm walking home at night and three black dudes walk up behind me with hoodies on, I'm going to pre-judge that I'm about to get FVCKED UP. The dudes very well could have no intention of doing anything to me and are just walking along the same path that I am to their destination.

- If I'm a cop, and stats show that young black man commit X, Y, and Z murders in high number, if I'm assigned to reduce/police those types of murders, I'm going to stop and examine young black men who fit the profile more than I would of course, old white ladies.

- If I'm hungry and go into a restaurant, and it's dirty....the people behind the counter serving don't look clean....I'm going to pre-judge that the food is disgusting. The food could very well be the best tasting food ever, but I'm going to pre-judge based on the surrounding of the environment that it's not.

 

[EyeBRollin]

But who controls the housing market? Don't the people who own the property as well as the state of the surrounding area help determine what the purchase price of said property is going to be? You want the government to control this? That's promoting STRAIGHT communism (not even socialism), sir. What does that have to do with racism? That's a difference in political policy.

Oh lordy lordy. You need to read more. Why do we have the fair housing act, sir?

Both of these are promoting socialism,

....and?

what does that have to do with racism? That's a difference in political policy.

Black people die sooner than white people. Black people are less likely to have health care than white people. Do we need to connect the dots for you?

ALL drugs?? Or just weed?

I agree 100%.

Weed.

I disagree. I support these. They help criminals stop being lifetime criminals.

They also are disproportionally enforced. Black men are far more likely to get the death penalty. There's no chance in hell Dylan Roof will get the death penalty. Black men receive harsher sentences for the same crimes.

I don't agree with this at all. So you want someone coming to your house to sell you financial services who has a felony on his record in relation to previous financial service fraud? You want THIS person to have access to your SSN, DOB, bank statements, etc.?

There's no point in correctional facilities if ex-convicts can not reintegrate back into society. May as well just kill em all or leave em in there for life. You clearly don't want them to become productive citizens, ever.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The conservatives, the free thinkers, "the whites" - whatever you want to call them, have won this debate. The two or three SJW's scurried their way out of this thread days ago.

If that were so, conservatives wouldn't always be whining about "taking their country back."

Don't cry in November when Trump gets destroyed.

 

[EyeBRollin]

But I need more information on why you contribute this number to racism, with some sort of data and stats to back it up. The reason being is that if you are RIGHT, we need to do more about this than just discuss it on this forum.

So I need more information on how did you come to this conclusion, with some sort of data, stats, reports, etc. in relation to it. I'll study said material and get back to you within the week.

You can google search any of the terms I've mentioned, including "institutional racism." I'm not going to spoonfeed you everything, especially when you cherry pick arguments left and right.

I'm going based on HS graduation rates, college graduation rates, majors sought, also the number of black entrepreneurs in the country. I'm also looking at aspects such as the HS drop-out rate, the black single mother on welfare rate, the black man in jail or with a felony rate. I'm looking at all of these things and I'm coming to the conclusion that there's FAR too many blacks making FAR too many piss poor decisions.

Correlation =/= causation. The facts are correct. Your interpretation of them is not. You are looking through a lens of a meritocracy. America is far from it. People don't start on the same playing field.

This where my conclusions are coming from. They are not coming from my representation of any white supremacy nor me trying to "fit in" with people on this forum (I've gotten into it heavily with a lot of people responding, like TicTac for example).

If I'm wrong, I will come right back to this forum and say I was wrong. So I would like for you to provide more information on your conclusion. I tried this with Max Rex, all the guy did was call me every Coon/Uncle Tom in the book....I'm just trying to have a conversation with you guys because hell, if I'm WRONG, I want to fvcking know.

I can't spoon feed you this stuff. If 95% of blacks have a certain perspective, perhaps you should seek the conversation with more and have them explain why they feel that way. You will probably still disagree, but if 95% of them have a consistent thought as you say, there is probably at least some degree of merit to it.

But if you are WRONG, then it would be best that these theories stop being promoted.

A theory is an explanation, just to be clear. A theory is not a guess.

We both can't be right, somebody has to be wrong here........we need to figure out who is.

On the subject of institutional racism, you are wrong. On the facts (drop out rates, etc.), you are correct.

Well, that's subjective...can we agree on that? It COULD be Racism, it COULD also be that they are seeing the same data I'm seeing where black men are doing more of the crimes and they are just coming down harder on them in relation to that.

Black men are doing more of the crimes, but you never ask the question "why?"

Coming down harder on black men vs. white men is a racial discrepancy, aka institutional racism. You just made my point.

But here's the thing though, the police aren't fvcking with Tenacity. My only interactions with the cops are when I'm speeding down the road, usually I get off with a warning. Pookie and Ray Ray are doing illegal shyt all day/everyday, because they are living a thug lifestyle. When you live a thug lifestyle full of illegal shyt, in combination with police departments looking to crack down on the shyt by deliberating targeting black men who LOOK LIKE they are doing this shyt....it's a recipe for disaster.

LOOK LIKE is racism. If Tenacity pulls his pants down his ass, he will get profiled more. Tenacity could be an A student or a billionaire. The point is, because Tenacity is black and has his pants down his ass, none of his "merits" matter. He's just another thug black man in the eyes of police.

Can we agree on that?

- You are making the case that a law-abiding black man, minding his own business sitting on a bench reading the Wallstreet Journal, is all of a sudden smacked upside the head by a cop and told to lay on the ground.

No, I never made that argument.

- You are making the case that a law-abiding black man is driving along the road and is pulled over for speeding. And the cop just starts beating the fvck out of him for no reason because he's black, even if said black man is respectable, not running from the cops, not riding dirty, or anything of the sort to create said situation. Your argument is that just being black PERIOD, causes the cop to start beating your a.ss.

Nope. That was not my argument.

I just have not experienced anything like that man. I'm going to need more examples from you of law-abiding black people, just randomly getting their a.ss beat by the cops for no reason. Please show it to me......

Why? That would be anecdotal evidence. The data says that black men are more likely to be stopped by police than white men.

Can you prove this? Tenacity not getting the job COULD have been Racism, it could have also been that I wasn't qualified for the job and/or someone else was more qualified, or the hiring manager decided to give preferred treatment to his nephew who was also interviewing for the job. It could have been ANY of these things, how do you know SPECIFICALLY that it was Racism?

I don't. But the fact that it COULD be because of racism is something a white man doesn't have to deal with, which is exactly the privilege I'm talking about. That's the point.

 

[EyeBRollin]

So, are you going to answer these two questions you keep dodging?

How did UPS socialize a loss by send business to the post office?

UPS won't deliver the whole route because they can't make a profit doing so.

What is the solution to completely solve this alleged "white privilege" and alleged racism by whites?

I already explained that in detail.

Why are you so terrified of answering these questions?

Goalpost fallacy.

 

[Tenacity]

If 95% of blacks have a certain perspective, perhaps you should seek the conversation with more and have them explain why they feel that way. You will probably still disagree, but if 95% of them have a consistent thought as you say, there is probably at least some degree of merit to it.

I've tried to have a conversation, usually they just call you an Uncle Tom/sell-out or a Coon. They don't even seek to have a conversation. Even on this forum, I tried speaking with Max Rex and Jaylon, all they did was call me an Uncle Tom Coon.

Coming down harder on black men vs. white men is a racial discrepancy, aka institutional racism. You just made my point.

You said that I misquoted your stance in the prior post, can you respond and elaborate on exactly WHAT do you define as institutionalized racism? My belief was that it was defined as people getting certain types of better treatment or worse treatment, based on skin color. So the lighter you are (white) the better treatment you get, the darker you are (black) the worse treatment you get. This definition would apply across the board, to the black criminal getting treated worse than the white criminal, to the black MBA getting hired less/paid less/promoted less than the white MBA.

If this is NOT your definition of institutionalized racism, please provide it so we are clear going forward.

On the subject of institutional racism, you are wrong. On the facts (drop out rates, etc.), you are correct.

Correlation =/= causation. The facts are correct. Your interpretation of them is not. You are looking through a lens of a meritocracy. America is far from it. People don't start on the same playing field.

Supply me your definition of institutionalized racism or let me know if my definition of it in your opinion is correct. Then I will formulate my next response/set of questions.

Black men are doing more of the crimes, but you never ask the question "why?"

Well, it has to come down to one of the following:

- Option A: The culture they are coming out of promotes this behavior as "sexy". Remember, black women from 16 - 30 generally promote thug behavior as exciting. The media glorifies thugs. Drug dealing is seen as fast money and a way to not work for the "white man".

- Option B: Or, it could be that they are facing some sort of poverty situation and can't get hired into positions to make decent money. So they turn to thugging, crime and drug dealing to pay the bills.

- Option C: Or, black people are just inherently a fvcked up race of people.

In my opinion, it's the Option A. It seems as though you are arguing that it's Option B, correct?

If Tenacity pulls his pants down his ass, he will get profiled more. Tenacity could be an A student or a billionaire. The point is, because Tenacity is black and has his pants down his ass, none of his "merits" matter. He's just another thug black man in the eyes of police.

Let me ask you a question. If I put on pink lipstick, a dress, a wig, some make-up, and some high heels, then walked around speaking in a high pitched voice.....would you NOT think I was gay? Would you not think I was a cross-dressing tranny?

Now, obviously I could NOT be gay, I could be as straight as any heterosexual man living, but does not my APPEARANCE non-verbally express who I am or who I could be?

I ask that to state the following, if the black males who commit a lot of crimes have a certain type of "wardrobe" that they wear, if I were to put that wardrobe and style of dress on, would I not APPEAR to be one of those black males that commit said crimes? To a police officer that's assigned to manage/reduce down these types of crime, if he sees me walking down the street with my "thug gear" on, how does he NOT profile me?

Dude if I got up on OKC in that type of gear, black women who are not looking to date THUGS wouldn't message me back. Matter of fact, a lot of those black women have messages on their profile saying if you are throwing up gang signs, have your pants hanging off your a.ss, etc., she's not interested.

Yes, that's profiling, but is it racist? I don't believe it is.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

1. How is it socializing a loss of the post office does it profitably?

2. So you are saying that ALL of the solutions are with whites having to change things and no responsibility of the blacks to do anything?

He won't answer it, but the answer to that question is yes. We have a black President, black attorney general, black supreme court justice, black CEO's, black billionaires, thousands of black athletes, black TV channels, affirmative action in jobs and scholarships, black only night clubs. But the epitome of black privilege is the blank check to be racist against whites. Until that's taken away, we'll never see the end of the race card because it is profitable for the hustlers, and explains away individual failures of the common man.

BTW, I love this guy dude. Apparently "you can google this stuff" is sufficient proof and attribution.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I've tried to have a conversation, usually they just call you an Uncle Tom/sell-out or a Coon. They don't even seek to have a conversation. Even on this forum, I tried speaking with Max Rex and Jaylon, all they did was call me an Uncle Tom Coon.

Why do you think that is?

You said that I misquoted your stance in the prior post, can you respond and elaborate on exactly WHAT do you define as institutionalized racism? My belief was that it was defined as people getting certain types of better treatment or worse treatment, based on skin color. So the lighter you are (white) the better treatment you get, the darker you are (black) the worse treatment you get. This definition would apply across the board, to the black criminal getting treated worse than the white criminal, to the black MBA getting hired less/paid less/promoted less than the white MBA.

If this is NOT your definition of institutionalized racism, please provide it so we are clear going forward.

Correct, that is the definition regarding specific situations like the black criminal vs. white criminal.

- Option A: The culture they are coming out of promotes this behavior as "sexy". Remember, black women from 16 - 30 generally promote thug behavior as exciting. The media glorifies thugs. Drug dealing is seen as fast money and a way to not work for the "white man".

- Option B: Or, it could be that they are facing some sort of poverty situation and can't get hired into positions to make decent money. So they turn to thugging, crime and drug dealing to pay the bills.

- Option C: Or, black people are just inherently a fvcked up race of people.

In my opinion, it's the Option A. It seems as though you are arguing that it's Option B, correct?

It's option A for some, but more of option B.

Let me ask you a question. If I put on pink lipstick, a dress, a wig, some make-up, and some high heels, then walked around speaking in a high pitched voice.....would you NOT think I was gay? Would you not think I was a cross-dressing tranny?

Sure.

Now, obviously I could NOT be gay, I could be as straight as any heterosexual man living, but does not my APPEARANCE non-verbally express who I am or who I could be?

Sure.

I ask that to state the following, if the black males who commit a lot of crimes have a certain type of "wardrobe" that they wear, if I were to put that wardrobe and style of dress on, would I not APPEAR to be one of those black males that commit said crimes? To a police officer that's assigned to manage/reduce down these types of crime, if he sees me walking down the street with my "thug gear" on, how does he NOT profile me?

He's going to profile because of human nature, he just has to respect equal protection clause. Anything otherwise is unconstitutional. And just because it is human nature, doesn't make it right.

Dude if I got up on OKC in that type of gear, black women who are not looking to date THUGS wouldn't message me back. Matter of fact, a lot of those black women have messages on their profile saying if you are throwing up gang signs, have your pants hanging off your a.ss, etc., she's not interested.

Yes, that's profiling, but is it racist? I don't believe it is.

It's racist in the sense that it applies disproportionately to black men, yes.

 

[EyeBRollin]

1. How is it socializing a loss of the post office does it profitably?

The post office is not UPS. UPS needs the post office's infrastructure to complete those routes.

2. So you are saying that ALL of the solutions are with whites having to change things and no responsibility of the blacks to do anything?

Where did you come up with that argument?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yup, in order to fix things, whites have to pay for all sort of things and be the victim of racism in perpetuity....and the blacks have ZERO responsibility to solve the situation.

That was not anyone's argument, nor are whites the victim of racism. You're really good at making **** up.

 

[Asmodeus]

Ok... So whites are not the victim of racism? This is absurd...

 

[EyeBRollin]

Ok... So whites are not the victim of racism? This is absurd...

How is that preventing said white person from getting a job? Getting a loan? Putting them in jail?

 

[Asmodeus]

She grabbed a guy, taunted him, and harassed him. Simply because he was a white person wearing dreadlocks... That is not racism? I do not understand your definition of racism...

 

[EyeBRollin]

She grabbed a guy, taunted him, and harassed him. Simply because he was a white person wearing dreadlocks... That is not racism? I do not understand your definition of racism...

We were talking about institutionalized racism, no?