Will getting rid of 30 million illegals generate jobs here?

[yuppee]

you damned right it will. Illegals are driving trucks, doing construction, etc, for $15 an hour and get a lot of overtime

 

[Bible_Belt]

But then who is going to clean Trump's hotel rooms? I've seen one or two non-brown hotel maids, but not very many.

And if you think Americans of any color are going to do farm work like I do, whether you pay them $15/hr or not, good luck with that. The I-phone generation is not into sweating in the hot sun.

 

[yuppee]

damned right. so you gotta pay $20 an hour for a farm worker, so what? labor is just 1/3rd of the retail price. So if a potato costs 60c now, it will cost 80c when you double the worker's wage. so what? I know PLENTY of people who work a LOT harder than some farmer sitting on a tractor, for $10 an hour, much less $20. give them a room to stay in and their food, and you'll get LOTS of workers for $15 an hour.

 

[Bokanovsky]

But then who is going to clean Trump's hotel rooms? I've seen one or two non-brown hotel maids, but not very many.

And if you think Americans of any color are going to do farm work like I do, whether you pay them $15/hr or not, good luck with that. The I-phone generation is not into sweating in the hot sun.

If you eliminate welfare and food stamps and the choice is between doing farm work and starving, you bet your ass they will. It always amazes me that there are nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps and yet there are tens of millions of jobs done by illegals because Americans apparently won't do them. This is a hugely inefficient system.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The world isn't going to end if we cleanup this mess with the invaders by sending them back home.

The same argument was used against ending slavery. Back then, many people were arguing that the U.S. economy would collapse if slavery was eliminated. That didn't happen. Moral considerations aside, slavery was a hugely inefficient production system and the end of slavery was actually a great boon for the U.S. economy. After slavery was abolished, millions of European farmers moved to the U.S. and agricultural production increased threefold.

 

[BeExcellent]

You bet it will so long as you pull welfare from the able bodied.

I know a woman who is stone deaf, schizophrenic since pre-puberty and autistic. Worked for 30 years as a file clerk for the state of TX. She couldn't live on her own (she lived with mom & dad in her childhood home) but she worked.

I know another woman who is albino and legally blind since childhood she is so near-sighted. In fact she recently went completely blind in her left eye. Guess what. Been working for 20+ years as an airline reservations agent over the telephone with a modified computer screen to help her see.

The TX atty general is a paraplegic.

But people are on disability for allergies, and depression, and ADHD and so on and so on. Seriously?

People will work when they are hungry enough. People will work when the handouts stop. Until then we are reinforcing the wrong behavior. Drastically reduce wasteful welfare spending. Most people on welfare can do something to earn a living and contribute to society.

 

[Von]

I remember working in the farms and vineyard.... ****ing hardest job I ever did.... people quitted on a daily.... the only people staying more than 1-2 weeks were mexicans coming to pay for their university....

By law, the farm/vineyard owners were allowed to pay them less than us.

Will kicking illegals work ? It might

But you have to find them a replacement.... so far the agricultural and hotel business prefers illegal... for the salary and the work efficiency

Will the ''white guy or typical american'' want that job.... ? So far its usually a No

Robots might do the trick.

PS: I am all against illegal immigrants... but the guys pushing for a wall... are the one hiring illegal immigrants for their personal property

 

[yuppee]

it makes a diff if it's illegals. We have to make it a FELONY to be here illegally. we have to LOCK UP those convicted of hiring illegals. we have to build a double fence, with rifle towers every 1/4 mile. We have to put up a reward, $200 each for snitching out illegals to the cops.

All it takes to have plenty of White folks working such jobs is pay them $20 an hour, and $15 an hour will suffice in a lot of areas, or $10 a hour and room and board.

 

[Von]

it makes a diff if it's illegals. We have to make it a FELONY to be here illegally. we have to LOCK UP those convicted of hiring illegals. we have to build a double fence, with rifle towers every 1/4 mile. We have to put up a reward, $200 each for snitching out illegals to the cops.

All it takes to have plenty of White folks working such jobs is pay them $20 an hour, and $15 an hour will suffice in a lot of areas, or $10 a hour and room and board.

Than arrest Donald Trump and every Ranch owner of texas and South USA.

Slavery abolishment lead to illegal immigrants.... Kick illegal immigrants might lead to robotization.... by the same people who had slaves

I heard some places in the USA are cheaper than labour in China

If its a religious think.... your illegal immigrants are 90% Mexicans or Latinos.... Latinos and Mexicans are 100% Christians.

Any how the void has to be filled

 

[Maximus Rex]

The same argument was used against ending slavery. Back then, many people were arguing that the U.S. economy would collapse if slavery was eliminated. That didn't happen. Moral considerations aside, slavery was a hugely inefficient production system and the end of slavery was actually a great boon for the U.S. economy. After slavery was abolished, millions of European farmers moved to the U.S. and agricultural production increased threefold.

Slavery was replaced with share cropping which kept the tenant farmer in perpetual debt with the landlord. Black people didn't have freedom of movement and they needed a white man's permission to change jobs. Also, there was the prison convict labor system which built the infrastructure of the South. Slavery officially ended with the passage of the 13th Amendment, but in reality slavery ended with the U.S. entry into WW II, and only then, because the government didn't want the Italians, Nazis, and the Japanese using it as a propaganda tool.

You bet it will so long as you pull welfare from the able bodied.

You want to turn your country into Mexico, bruh? Welfare keeps you safe and helps you to maintain a decent standard of living.

People
will work when they are hungry enough. People will work when the handouts stop. Until then we are reinforcing the wrong behavior. Drastically reduce wasteful welfare spending. Most people on welfare can do something to earn a living and contribute to society.

People will work if given the opportunity. You're acting as if people are just turning down jobs to sit at home to watch Maury
paternity results episodes.

When was the last time you actually had to look for a job, seriously? If it hasn't been within the last five years, then you really don't know what the f*ck it is you're talking about. If you have had to look for work, (and you are working,) in an area that isn't retail or sales consider yourself extraordinarily lucky.

There's a lot of sh*t that encompasses getting a job other than actually looking, namely the psychological bullsh*t and barrier to entry that is the interview process.

Are the social degenerates and dope fiends on welfare that don't give a f*ck? Yeah. However, most people are trying their damnest to get off of the sh*t.

Besides, the government (on any level) isn't serious about getting people off of welfare. If it was, the government would have better job training programs and educational opportunities. The government would give added consideration to somebody on welfare and give tax incentatives to companies who hired welfare recipients.

 

[Maximus Rex]

1. We already ARE becoming Mexico because of the illegals.

We're not becoming Mexico. Two of the reasons why is the social safety net we have here and corruption isn't tolerated.

Have you seen the number of people on "disability"? Yes this $hit needs to get cleaned up.

This is a non sequitur. Much, much, more money is f*cked off in defense spending. I'm all for a strong as and modern military, but let's clean up wasteful spending here and in pork barrel spending.

Also, as I said before, people need to be guaranteed opportunities. You want people to work, but there is needs to be a mechanism in place guaranteeing jobs. People with people fresh out of college have a hard enough time landing jobs. What you're saying is that people that have been diagnoised with physical or mental disability (and who have been out of the workforce for years,) will suddenly have to look for work, and we all know how employers feel about gaps in your work history.

This some right wing conservative b.s. that sounds good in political speeches, but in reality is a cluster eff.

 

[SmooveMooves]

No. If Immigration is cracked down on -- which I'm in favor of -- hard labor jobs will be replaced by robotization making a lot more than just "Jose Jobs" absolete.

The technology is available and not massively expensive all it takes is an event for them to be put in place. They even already have companies developing androids with AI and appearing as human. Their main goal is to have them "indistinguishable from humans." Scary.

 

[yuppee]

stop the bs of illegals having rights here. they do NOT. put them in tent cities. Just a few thousand, the felony conviction and the fence will make half of them leave under their own power, as I've said. getting rid of their jobs will get rid of at least another half. Sheriff Joe has US CITIZENS in tent cities, so it's already been judged "ok" to do so. My life will be improved by having 30 million less people in the way, and have them not using up our education and health taxes.

 

[yuppee]

I do;n't support a mandated wage, no. But that's what you'll have to pay if you want white people working on your farm. and since you farmers have been getting MASSIVE welfare for a century now (price support, paid to plow under alfalpha, etc, you can damned well pay what that labor is worth, or buy machinery to do it. (made in the USA, run by a US citizen)

 

[yuppee]

if corruption ISNT tolerated, why are lerner, holder, obama and both clintons not in PRISON? We've got them dead to rights on having committed MANY felonies.

 

[speed dawg]

Also, as I said before, people need to be guaranteed opportunities. You want people to work, but there is needs to be a mechanism in place guaranteeing jobs. People with people fresh out of college have a hard enough time landing jobs.

This is not true. It works the opposite. Guaranteeing anything makes people lazy. Exhibit A = welfare. Not to mention the bullsh*t bill of goods that millenials have been sold about college. Bottom line, college isn't for everybody, and they are finding that out the hard way.

The only real incentive to do anything is fear of failure and the excitement of achievement. Any type of guarantees take away both, save for the few supermotivated.

What is it with folks like you and wanting something for nothing? Have you not figured out that without work, there is no happiness?

What you're saying is that people that have been diagnoised with physical or mental disability (and who have been out of the workforce for years,) will suddenly have to look for work, and we all know how employers feel about gaps in your work history.

I agree about disability. I think the poster mis-spoke. Welfare must be cleaned up, but the able bodied folks should not be allowed to get it permanently.

 

[Maximus Rex]

if corruption ISNT tolerated, why are lerner, holder, obama and both clintons not in PRISON? We've got them dead to rights on having committed MANY felonies.

For the same reason Reagan and Nixon didn't go to the pen.

 

[Tictac]

I remember working in the farms and vineyard.... ****ing hardest job I ever did.... people quitted on a daily.... the only people staying more than 1-2 weeks were mexicans coming to pay for their university....

By law, the farm/vineyard owners were allowed to pay them less than us.

Will kicking illegals work ? It might

But you have to find them a replacement.... so far the agricultural and hotel business prefers illegal... for the salary and the work efficiency

Will the ''white guy or typical american'' want that job.... ? So far its usually a No

Robots might do the trick.

PS: I am all against illegal immigrants... but the guys pushing for a wall... are the one hiring illegal immigrants for their personal property

This is textbook liberal horsesh*t. Cute to say in front of your prognut friends but utter horsesh*it.

You typed it @Von. Back this turd typing up with more than your continuous fart-brained thoughts.

 

[thatfeel]

This is not true. It works the opposite. Guaranteeing anything makes people lazy. Exhibit A = welfare. Not to mention the bullsh*t bill of goods that millenials have been sold about college. Bottom line, college isn't for everybody, and they are finding that out the hard way.

The only real incentive to do anything is fear of failure and the excitement of achievement. Any type of guarantees take away both, save for the few supermotivated.

What is it with folks like you and wanting something for nothing? Have you not figured out that without work, there is no happiness?


I agree about disability. I think the poster mis-spoke. Welfare must be cleaned up, but the able bodied folks should not be allowed to get it permanently.

Uh huh...guaranteed health care in single payer systems makes people sooo lazy, so lazy that they actually get off their asses and go see doctors because they don't have to worry about the corporate inefficiencies of the private American healthcare sector. In case no one told you the plethora of social insurance programs aren't guaranteed. I'm a single dude with no kids and a decent job so I likely qualify for assistance if something were to happen to the position and I "fell on hard times". But guess what, if I was just a single dude living at home with no kids and never had a single job in my life, I most likely wouldn't qualify for anything. Dude, the last time a true welfare queen existed was under the Reagan administration thereafter they were quickly "abolished" and the SSI systems were amended with qualifications so people didn't just live off of welfare indefinitely. Oh, that's right, another thing you probably weren't aware of, receiving welfare assistance benefits isn't life-long, you can only receive benefits for so many years before you have to appeal for an extension and then once the extension is up you no longer qualify. Why don't you actually educate yourself about government assistance instead of spewing complete garbage?

You're completely wrong about "guarantees" taking away from what you define as some arbitrary de-facto "incentives" for doing anything. Case and point is that if cost wasn't as much of a barrier to entry for prospective students and working professionals a lot more would be apt to go to school. In turn we'd have a higher population of citizens that are educated and because of this lower crime rates, less poverty, and so on and so forth.

To make the point even further I would love to be an academic scholar attending university-tier classes on a few particular subjects just for the sake of pure enjoyment in those subjects, but I just can't because returning to school out of pure enjoyment for me right now would be an economic setback. This is where you say "but if those people actually really cared about going to school cost wouldn't be an issue". That line of thinking is just nonsensical, and I'll tell you why, it's because people live in the real world, and most of the time you have to take on absurd amounts of debt to attend post-secondary education. Everything in life is a trade off, and money definitely matters, and after the first degree or first Master's/Doctorate, people find out that the trade off of the debt accrued puts them in a less than ideal financial situation if they have other goals such as: saving for a house, saving for their future retirements, saving in case of financial ruin, and so on and so forth. So it's not as simple as just making a blanket statement like "if it really was something people cared about they would just do it".

Lastly, I'm not really quite sure how you could extrapolate from what Maximus Rex is saying that he is an individual who "wants something for nothing". That right there just sounds like some typical right wing rhetoric. Could you elaborate on it some more?

 

[thatfeel]

Besides, the government (on any level) isn't serious about getting people off of welfare. If it was, the government would have better job training programs and educational opportunities. The government would give added consideration to somebody on welfare and give tax incentatives to companies who hired welfare recipients.

Just to further this point, I would say that a government has a responsibility to its people in helping them get off of welfare. But the reality is yes, the government is not serious, because the government is full of individuals who bend to private interests and make compromises instead of carrying out their duties with the interests of all of its citizens.

Welfare comes under constant scrutiny from conservatives and hardcore right wingers that represent delusional ideologies and private interests, pushing absolute garbage and mythological rhetoric that "welfare creates dependency" "welfare is abused" "we need to make cuts to welfare programs to motivate people to actually get off their asses and get a job instead of mooching off the system" "people just want something for nothing" "this entitled generation is horrible they think we owe them something" and so on and so forth. To further the reality for some folks who just don't seem to get it, welfare spending accounts for barely 9 to 10% of the US federal budget. That's every welfare program combined, and in some years it's been even less.