My faith in ever making a family is being worn down

[AttackFormation]

And the cause is the both covert and completely open signs of hoe I see when I browse girls' profiles. It just breaks my hope in the future down.

I would eventually like to have a supportive girlfriend for what I plan to do with my life and for making a family, but it feels increasingly like a lost cause. If it wasn't for the kids I wouldn't care as much, but it terrifies me to think of investing in a woman who has spent her life sucking d1ck for a hobby. They just have varying levels of openness about it, and they will downplay/lie about it if they think they can't get what they want from you otherwise. I don't want to be that sucker, I don't want to give my eventual kids a sh!t parenting like I got, and I keep having visions of a happy relationship that pop up in my head... the same scenes over again. Being there when I'm fighting in the ring, baking when I'm coming home, looking at me with love when she feels what we have together. I keep having these d@mn visions. But I don't want to feel this way if I'm bound to fvck used up wh0res for the rest of my life.

Is it even possible to find a girl who both isn't a hoe and has no inclination to be one? I figure you want to go as young as possible. By the time they're ~13-15 they start getting it on. That's when the party phase starts, not at 20+ like is passed around in PUA articles. By the time they're 20+ they're seasoned.

 

[Desdinova]

Is it even possible to find a girl who both isn't a hoe and has no inclination to be one? I figure you want to go as young as possible.

Yes, you'd want to go as young as possible and as low-mileage as possible. Some people here say that the only way to secure a woman is to get a virgin. Although it's an optimum situation, you can get away with a woman who has had a couple of guys before you.

What matters is that you make an emotional impression on her as early as possible. Every woman has that "one guy" they never get over. Your goal is to be that guy. Be the ex-boyfriend she'd dump every other guy for. In my opinion, this is the ONLY way to secure a woman for the long haul.

However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't filter out women with red flags. Just because you're the only guy she really desires to be with, it doesn't mean you should put up with a messed up bytch.

By the time they're ~13-15 they start getting it on. That's when the party phase starts, not at 20+ like is passed around in PUA articles.

The real party phase begins when they start going out to drink, get stoned, sneak into night clubs, etc. It can be anywhere from age 15-23. The problem is, this is the age range when you want to penetrate her emotionally. Women enter their most mature and desirable phase usually between age 23-27. Ideally, the best thing you can do is penetrate her emotionally during the party phase, and then ditch her until she's a bit more "mature". It won't matter if she's fvcked other guys since then because she'll still want to be with you.

 

[Alpheta]

I don't mean to be rude but it's hypocritical to expect a slut free girl when we ourselves indulge and encourage the behaviour.

Like attracts like.

 

[Desdinova]

I don't mean to be rude but it's hypocritical to expect a slut free girl when we ourselves indulge and encourage the behaviour.

Like attracts like.

With this statement, you're putting men and women onto the "equality" page. They are not equal. Men and women instinctively and naturally behave in different ways. Likes do not attract likes. If you get out there and date lots of women, you will discover that it doesn't matter what they do nor what they're interested in. Women are generally attracted to a certain type of man. What matters is that you be that type of man to optimize the amount of women available to you.

I've dated lots of women who had absolutely nothing in common with me. They fvck just as good as the ones I have a lot in common with. Thinking that men and women are equal will only limit you when it comes to finding a compatible woman.

 

[Alpheta]

With this statement, you're putting men and women onto the "equality" page. They are not equal. Men and women instinctively and naturally behave in different ways. Likes do not attract likes. If you get out there and date lots of women, you will discover that it doesn't matter what they do nor what they're interested in. Women are generally attracted to a certain type of man. What matters is that you be that type of man to optimize the amount of women available to you.

I've dated lots of women who had absolutely nothing in common with me. They fvck just as good as the ones I have a lot in common with. Thinking that men and women are equal will only limit you when it comes to finding a compatible woman.

I deft don't think they are equal but my point is that if we encourage slutty behaviour, we will get that in return.

My point is more on society itself. We men have allowed out desires to take over and give women the green light to dress and get ****ed however they want. The lack of limitations imo has made women the sluts they are.

 

[stevo]

I deft don't think they are equal but my point is that if we encourage slutty behaviour, we will get that in return.

My point is more on society itself. We men have allowed out desires to take over and give women the green light to dress and get ****ed however they want. The lack of limitations imo has made women the sluts they are.

The mistake is you think men gave women the green light.

If it was up to men (real men), society won't be as fcuked as it is now.

If it was up to men, dating would be like it were in caveman days. Where women were after men, not the other way around.

That I've contributed to a girl's exposure doesn't mean I have to settle with a very exposed girl.

 

[zinc4]

And the cause is the both covert and completely open signs of hoe I see when I browse girls' profiles. It just breaks my hope in the future down.

I would eventually like to have a supportive girlfriend for what I plan to do with my life and for making a family, but it feels increasingly like a lost cause. If it wasn't for the kids I wouldn't care as much, but it terrifies me to think of investing in a woman who has spent her life sucking d1ck for a hobby. They just have varying levels of openness about it, and they will downplay/lie about it if they think they can't get what they want from you otherwise. I don't want to be that sucker, I don't want to give my eventual kids a sh!t parenting like I got, and I keep having visions of a happy relationship that pop up in my head... the same scenes over again. Being there when I'm fighting in the ring, baking when I'm coming home, looking at me with love when she feels what we have together. I keep having these d@mn visions. But I don't want to feel this way if I'm bound to fvck used up wh0res for the rest of my life.

Is it even possible to find a girl who both isn't a hoe and has no inclination to be one? I figure you want to go as young as possible. By the time they're ~13-15 they start getting it on. That's when the party phase starts, not at 20+ like is passed around in PUA articles. By the time they're 20+ they're seasoned.

Dude we are in America. Women are trash here. Society is on the down turn.

 

[fastlife]

Bro, you're still 22. Even if you met a 10/10, domestic, family-ready girl today you'd probably **** it up. That's not a knock on your maturity; that's a knock on your experience. You probably wouldn't have the reference points to engineer (successful relationships don't just happen) a relationship that would remain satisfying, mutually fulfilling, and conducive to bringing children (most important investment you'll ever make) into this world.

There used to be all type of societal pressures and support to expedite and sustain the formation of a family unit. There was also, in America at least, a much stronger economy. You'll be going it alone and you'd better be a really, really solid guy to 1.) Find the right girl, but even more than that to 2.) To be the right guy. You can't control the first; you never know who you'll meet under what circumstance other than to play the numbers--but you have a lot more control over the second part, which is ultimately more fulfilling anyway.

I'm 24; if there's anything I've learned in the last 2 years it's that I am not who I wanna be and I don't know all that much. The blue pill path to relationships ignores those concerns--Oh, just be true to yourself. There's someone out there for you. Love always finds a way. We both know that's bull****--that's shirking the responsibility we have to ourselves, to any woman we choose to attach ourselves to, to the kids we'd possibly be bringing into this world.

And with modern medicine, if you take care of yourself, there's a good chance you'll still be healthy & active at 30, at 40, probably 50; and probably live long enough from there to build a family with a girl who might not even be born yet (and, depending on societal forces that are hard to predict, might be a better overall product than what's out there right now).

So get out there--get in relationships, **** them up. Meet a lot of girls--good ones, bad ones, slvtty girls, prudes, party girls, bookworms. Figure out what you like, what you wouldn't be able to tolerate, and trust that no matter how many girls you **** things up with there'll be another one coming and you'll be a better dude than you were before. Have fun and never stop learning

 

[Tenacity]

Attack,

Let me provide some TRUTH to you.....

......I keep having visions of a happy relationship that pop up in my head... the same scenes over again. Being there when I'm fighting in the ring, baking when I'm coming home, looking at me with love when she feels what we have together. I keep having these d@mn visions.

Our minds are a computer system, programmed by various aspects within society from the media, to entertainment, to our blue pill parents, to our blue pill church, to our liberal higher education institutions.

The visions you are seeing come from movies, movies based on a PRE-WOMEN'S LIBERATION based society. The visions that you are seeing come from a time when men and women needed each other for survival:

- The man needed the woman in the house because you didn't have a 21st century "kitchen" full of gadgets to automate most of the household chores. You had to do a lot of things by hand and this required somebody to be in the house working, which was the woman.

- The woman needed the man because she had no rights to go out and vote, get an education or work in the free market for the most part. So she needed the man to go out and bring in the resources. Inflation was so LOW back then, one person could be the sole breadwinner.

This shyt is GONE today.

- Women can get the same education, can vote and work in the same firms as Men, we might be about to see a fvcking Woman President come November (urghhh).

- Inflation is through the roof so there's no such thing as a sole breadwinner anymore.

- You have 21st century technology automating everything in the house, so there's nothing to do in the house "all day" like it was prior.

As a result, the relationship dynamics between men and women today are based SOLELY on entertainment and convenience, NOT SURVIVAL.

So that vision of the prior 1970's supportive, caring, loyal, loving woman, is dead. You need to replace that vision with the 2016 version of women which are women who compete with you for jobs (compete with you for power in the marketplace) and COMPETE with you in the household (compete with you for power in your own damn house).

Is it even possible to find a girl who both isn't a hoe and has no inclination to be one? I figure you want to go as young as possible. By the time they're ~13-15 they start getting it on. That's when the party phase starts, not at 20+ like is passed around in PUA articles. By the time they're 20+ they're seasoned.

I just don't believe in this "virgin" route or "young girls are more quality" route, the American market of women have CHANGED. It's time to update with the times. You should be seeking one or more of the following goals:

- Be The Player: Spin plates with multiple women, manage your costs (time/financial) with them, do not get anybody pregnant, do not marry anybody, but keep spinning multiple women.

- Child Custody Agreement: If you want to make children, pick the most REASONABLE of your plates to be the mother. GET YOUR ATTORNEY on the deal before you get her pregnant to learn about all of the rules of your state in relation to this so you can be 25 steps ahead of the chick in case she tries to pull some shyt in the Family Court.

Unfortunately, that's it. If you want to still get married today, there's a very high chance it will not end well. Of course LiveYourDream, Legend and the rest of the "touchy feely" crowd will chime in calling this analysis negative....but this analysis is the truth and it's TAILORED to the NEW MARKET we operate in.

This is not 1966 anymore, this is 2016. Women....have....changed.

 

[Building_and_Loan]

And the cause is the both covert and completely open signs of hoe I see when I browse girls' profiles. It just breaks my hope in the future down.

I would eventually like to have a supportive girlfriend for what I plan to do with my life and for making a family, but it feels increasingly like a lost cause. If it wasn't for the kids I wouldn't care as much, but it terrifies me to think of investing in a woman who has spent her life sucking d1ck for a hobby. They just have varying levels of openness about it, and they will downplay/lie about it if they think they can't get what they want from you otherwise. I don't want to be that sucker, I don't want to give my eventual kids a sh!t parenting like I got, and I keep having visions of a happy relationship that pop up in my head... the same scenes over again. Being there when I'm fighting in the ring, baking when I'm coming home, looking at me with love when she feels what we have together. I keep having these d@mn visions. But I don't want to feel this way if I'm bound to fvck used up wh0res for the rest of my life.

Is it even possible to find a girl who both isn't a hoe and has no inclination to be one? I figure you want to go as young as possible. By the time they're ~13-15 they start getting it on. That's when the party phase starts, not at 20+ like is passed around in PUA articles. By the time they're 20+ they're seasoned.

Ha dude you're only 22. I'm 30 and single and I don't even have that mindset yet, you're way too young to be down on yourself in this capacity.

The simple answer is that it's strictly a numbers game, and the world doesn't owe anyone anything. The best piece of advice I've heard is from a 40-year-old single woman who said "Don't expect things to work out for you in life just because you think they 'have to', you need to get out there and make things happen."

As long as you're out there doing things you love and open to meeting people, odds are heavily in your favor you'll find someone/something very close to what you're looking for.

 

[Tenacity]

Ha dude you're only 22. I'm 30 and single and I don't even have that mindset yet, you're way too young to be down on yourself in this capacity.

The simple answer is that it's strictly a numbers game, and the world doesn't owe anyone anything. The best piece of advice I've heard is from a 40-year-old single woman who said "Don't expect things to work out for you in life just because you think they 'have to', you need to get out there and make things happen."

As long as you're out there doing things you love and open to meeting people, odds are heavily in your favor you'll find someone/something very close to what you're looking for.

So what, he's 22? There are multi-millionaires in this country right now who are under the age of 25, what is your point about bringing up his age? Age DOES NOT equal wisdom, good judgment equals wisdom. There are 60 year old fools out here and 30 year old geniuses.

And why in the hell would you ever quote what a woman has to say about the world? Not saying there isn't some truth to the quote you provided, but consider the SOURCE is all I'm saying.

 

[Building_and_Loan]

So what, he's 22? There are multi-millionaires in this country right now who are under the age of 25, what is your point about bringing up his age? Age DOES NOT equal wisdom, good judgment equals wisdom. There are 60 year old fools out here and 30 year old geniuses.

And why in the hell would you ever quote what a woman has to say about the world? Not saying there isn't some truth to the quote you provided, but consider the SOURCE is all I'm saying.

Yeah you're overreacting quite a bit. My point was that there's no reason to feel like his chances of meeting a quality girl instead of a ho is a lost cause (his words) when you're still young. I met a lot of hos in my early 20s too, then some quality ones too later on after 25+.

And what difference does it make if a woman or a man said something knowledgeable or relevant? It doesn't make a bit of difference due to the quotes' relevance/truth. So anytime a woman says ANYTHING, I have to immediately question it? It's like that Seinfeld episode where George's mom hears good advice from a woman she thinks is Chinese, but then doubts that advice when she learns she isn't Chinese.

 

[Tenacity]

Yeah you're overreacting quite a bit. My point was that there's no reason to feel like his chances of meeting a quality girl instead of a ho is a lost cause (his words) when you're still young. I met a lot of hos in my early 20s too, then some quality ones too later on after 25+.

I just don't think being "young" has anything to do with it, the market is the market. There are no quality women left, every woman is fvcked up in some capacity.

 

[wifehunter]

That's because you're trusting in yourself to have this socalled "faith".

The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick; who can understand it?

 

[fastlife]

I just don't think being "young" has anything to do with it, the market is the market. There are no quality women left, every woman is fvcked up in some capacity.

Reactionary much? I'm not gonna argue, the market sucks. But you're posts about this sort of thing are so black-and-white and reactionary.

You really think women were all that different 50, 60 years ago? Read some Irwin Shaw, some F. Scott Fitzgerald, some Chekhov or Turgenev (for everyone who thinks Eastern European women are snowflakes), read some goddamn Geoffrey Chaucer if you think women have changed that drastically in the last 600 years. (Cliff notes--they haven't).

There's no such thing as quality women, only quality circumstances. Generally, modern circumstances suck (social media & daddy issues & OLD & open hypergamy)--but you can still find girls who grew up financially secure, with strong father figures and mothers who modeled feminine behavior. You can improve your circumstances so that any girl who you let into your world has to live up to your standards (like that thread you made a while back where everyone was telling you to RELOCATE and you kept making excuses).

Even the sh1ttiest markets have their niches and their opportunities. You can either be bitter (learned hopelessness & excuses & be a victim of circumstance), or you can adapt.

 

[YawataNoKami]

What scares me about fatherhood is not be a father , what really scares me are the laws.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I want to sponsor a youth boxing tournament in Mexico City. 1000 kids fight, and the winner gets to come to the US and be adopted by me, where he will support me in my old age by becoming the next Manny Pacquiao.

 

[Glumix]

As a result, the relationship dynamics between men and women today are based SOLELY on entertainment and convenience, NOT SURVIVAL.

So that vision of the prior 1970's supportive, caring, loyal, loving woman, is dead. You need to replace that vision with the 2016 version of women which are women who compete with you for jobs (compete with you for power in the marketplace) and COMPETE with you in the household (compete with you for power in your own damn house).

So before the 70', women had the obligation to have a man because otherwise they would die in the street and then you say that they were supportive, caring, loyal and loving because of that obligation? You confuse post-industrial society with Middle Ages.

Survival was a need. Having a kid was a need. Entertainment was a need. Convenience was a need. Money was a need. Comfort was a need. Where in your book anything as changed?

Men certainly lost a lot of power. Men allowed that to happen. They were at the forefront when feminism raised. Not you, but your father, or his father. Because they thought it was a good idea. Weakness? I won't judge.

There are still a lot of supportive, caring, loyal and loving women out there. But it's still and always been on purpose.
YOU believe that it was in any way different "before". Somebody, your mom or society most probably, put that belief in your head. And now it hurts so much to change that, that you only reflect on your bitterness, cynism, denial, excuses and learned hopelesness.

And perhaps you are altruistic when it comes to relationship?

You should also read Pierre Choderlos de Laclos. He died in 1741. He speaks about Game in the French aristocracy. You'll see that women who were absolutely not worried about survival just acted as the ones you know today. Speaking about how that man would be an upgrade or not.

You cannot avoid the Game. It's always been there.
Hypergamy always existed. It's female nature.

The only difference is that before the 60'-70' and the "women revolution", men had a system to avoid the effects of the womaniverse and it's called Machismo (I think about it as masculine solidarity). Nowaday, it's pretty much dead because feminism try to make it "illegal" in some way.

Machismo never promoted the hate of the feminine, it promotes the love of manliness and it's real nature as protector, provider and procreator.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Family life seems mundane and boring to me, I do think about it from time to time, but I am a lone wolf. I want to travel the world and enjoy my life is solitude

 

[amazingswayze]

Times have changed a lot. But, life has never been perfect for anybody. You have to adapt. You can DEFINITELY find a woman to marry and have kids with. The truth is though, it will probably end in a divorce. You can still get what you want but the idea of a relationship lasting FOREVER, the odds aren't in your favor.