finished the 3% Man on sunday... (Corey Wayne)

[Reykhel]

Oh and also, Corey Wayne recommending reading the book 10-15 times??????????????

That's Doc Love again.........Read it 10-15 times.....

His reason? Years of Socail Conditioning (blue pill conditioning......)......also he says men apply the System, get the girl.......and then his philosophies go out the window.....so keep on reading it while in your relationship.

Corey Wayne....you need to read my book ten times, until you're able to give a seminar on it.

Doc Love.......When you can stand up and give a speech on The System you know you've got it down.....

Although he adds...."it's not enough knowing this on an intellectual level. It's got to be in your gut so when your in the trenches you know what to do instinctively"

...by the way the Doc recommends reading it once through fast and then a second time with a highlighter. Then stick it by your bedside locker and read 7 pages each night (small pages).

However, I can understand that......

Gaining knowledge:
1. Learning Knowledge
2. Applied Knowledge
3. Mastery

You learn from a book/sosuave. (learning knowledge), you go out and you apply what you learned (applied knowledge), you go back to the book/sosuave with your experience....read again...you see some things differently, you go back out and apply your learned knowledge again, and you repeat this process......

Until you've climbed up the ladder of knowledge so much through learning and application that you reach Mastery.......your capable of teaching it. It's in your fvcking bones.......

 

[Atom Smasher]

Doc Love seems a bit like a cranky old guy who's a bit out of touch to me... and look at my own age.

I agree with Reykhel that CW has some definite blue pill tendencies.

I have experience with both and would not recommend "The System". Cory's book is worth a read but again, he tends to not hold women accountable for their sh!tty behavior... just a "soft" dismissal while letting her know that the door is always open. Personally I revile that attitude as I believe that women should be held accountable.

 

[Reykhel]

Would you actually recommend "The System" over "3% Man" ?

If I could only keep one of them I'd go with The System. In my opinion, what he offers is a
simple framework from which to apply.

For example : His truth triangle. On which he has three points 1. interest level 2. Mail traits 3. Female Traits. "If you have a problem, something is missing (on the triangle)

Also in the triangle is: Reality Factor "men's egos prevent them looking at reality" (how often do we see that here??)

Bottom line factor: Bottom line her actions all the time, it saves your time.

Yes he may be a cranky old man at 70 years of age, but what he takes is a no-nonsence approach.

If you're on the relationship strategy The System lays out the framework for you. (granted a few things you need to ignore, like calling after 5-9 days.....but you just add your own take on it .......

Even if you're on plate spinning strategy I think The System lays out the Framework for you. He recommends dating (rotating) 3 at the same time and by the end of two months if you're doing everything right her interest should be rising and she should be asking you to go exclusive at around the two month mark.......

Now, I rember applying this for the first time with the System. Of course I was doing MY MODERN version of the System.......I was hooking up/banging two regularly (once a week coming up on the two month mark) and the position 3 was being filled, being vacated, being filled, being vacated.........so neither of them were asking me to go exclusive.......and I thought, well fvck this I'm not giving them up I'm happy like this......

THEN......I came across the Rational Male......ah look! Plate Theory.......

So yes it offers a great structure.....you've just got to apply your take on it....

(a bit like the Mystery Method for pick up.......so many say "oh it's out of date" or "you have to be a magician", but for me I think it still offers a perfect structure or framework.....for you to see where your interactions at........you simply just apply your own personality on to that structure and you know where the interaction's at.......)

All of the RSD is built upon Mystery's theories..........you can see it coming through in a lot of what they say.

Still, I still like two of the RSD boys as they've built on the theories and inserted their own personalities.......which is all any of us can do really with any theory or strategy.....we've got to adapt it to who we are in order to be congruent and authentic...

Same with CW......he has just fundamentally ripped off The System's principles and built on them. CW does add a lot of superflous talk in his book though.....

 

[mr. kennedy]

Can The System be downloaded for free somewhere?

 

[ubercat]

Y not just do pure Anti-dump from the DJ bible link. Its meant to be downloaded for free. Same thing as Doc Love. Or spend the whole $3 and buy Colossus's book on Amazon. sadly there is no paint by numbers tick list approach for the stuff Every time I screw up on a date it's not that I don't know the right thing to do it's that I didn't do it. you've had a lifetime of blue pill programming breaking through it won't be so quick

 

[WanderingMan]

throughout his book, while the information is solid....I've noticed he has many blue pill traits........for example he talks about splitting up with an ex that he was crazy about.....she was going to work in England.......so they broke up.....but he says he kept her as a friend and still talks to her regularly .....his justification (and advice) was the following "if two people truly love each other and want to be happy with their choice to go seperate ways, I do not think it is the loving thing to do to cut one another off from all communication. I actually think it makes it harder to heel"

Whereas Doc Love would be brutal...."We don't talk to her anymore. Next!" I prefer that approach.

Disclaimer: I haven't read this book yet, sounds interesting because I am definitely a fan of Corey Wayne from what I've seen.

There's something I don't understand with the above quote, WHY can't you be "friends" with an ex? Why do you have to "next" her? Is it because SHE broke your fragile heart? Thin line between love and hate? If she was a psycho bpd *****, then yeah, cut contact if you wish...but even then, if you can't control yourself around her, then that's your problem, not hers. Isn't it? However, if one(or both) of you just moved on - realized that the other wasn't the person you/her wanted to spend the rest of your life with (it happens), then why do you have to cut ALL communication?

My thought process: think AA; why do people go to AA? Because they are addicted to alcohol. Alcohol owns their asses. Does anyone ever think: hey that guy in AA has really got his **** together? No, they think: this guy's one drink away from a train wreck. One sip of alcohol and he's off the chains. He's cool now but wait till he gets a shot in him: game over.

I'd rather be the guy that's in control. Not saying I am necessarily always that guy, but THAT is the guy I want to be. The guy that, I believe, Corey Wayne is preaching about.

 

[RangerMIke]

Cory Wayne = Doc Love + Sex talk.

I read his book about a year ago when someone talked about it here. I didn't find anything objectionable, but I have to say that he goes on and on about examples in his life. He doesn't really get to the point, the book could be 1/3 the length and still get the message. He does the same thing in his videos... he'll talk for 30 minutes when 10 is all he needs.

His content is good (with one exception I'll talk about at the end), his delivery is questionable. He tries to be a cross between Doc Love and Mystery, and for the most part sort of pulls it off. Read Doc Love's "The System", to understand the nature of woman and what they really respond to, Love also teaches guys not to waste time on women that don't like them, SPOT ON correct advice. "The Mystery Method" teaches you game... which is important as well.

Read Doc Love's "The System" as many times as it takes to understand the nature of women and what they respond to. Then study the "Mystery Method", there is a bunch of PUA stuff out their that is teaches game, all is good at some level for teaching men how to act like a man around women. But truth be told it's ALL based on the Mystery Method... everything you see out their goes back to that.

Okay, what I do NOT like about it, and this is a criticism I have with Doc Love as well, is that is ignores the hypergamous nature of women. I'm not sure why, many of these relationship life coaches do the same thing. Love and Wayne both give good advice (i.e. don't be complacent) but when your women loses interest, walk away and don't look back, because that is the ONLY thing you can really do about it while maintaining your self respect. But what I am bothered by with Wayne is the idea that you can somehow control this by "treating your woman right". Sorry, the truth is you CAN NOT.

Here is a cold hard fact.... and if you do not believe it then you are setting yourself up for disappointment and heart break. Your wife, girlfriend, life partner or whatever you want to call her.... will think about leaving you if a better man comes along that meets her needs and shows her interest. Sorry, this is the nature of women... they are genetically encoded to ALWAYS be looking for the best option and to get the MOST out of every relationship they are in.

All we men can do about it is to be the VERY BEST possible, always understand the nature of women and look for indications of disinterest act like a man, and hope things work out. Because if a better man comes along that shows her interest... you are FINISHED. That's just they way it is, and the only thing you can do about it is to get over in as fast as possible and find other women to fvck.

 

[RangerMIke]

Oh and also, Corey Wayne recommending reading the book 10-15 times??????????????

That's Doc Love again.........Read it 10-15 times.....

Corey Wayne....you need to read my book ten times, until you're able to give a seminar on it.

Doc Love.......When you can stand up and give a speech on The System you know you've got it down.....

You can read "The System" 15 times and still get enjoyment out of it. Doc Love makes the topic humorous, is well organized and flows. Wayne's read is tedious. I've only read Wayne's book once, and that was enough. If you are going to read something 15 times for it to sink in, read "The System". Plus I think Doc Love has an audio version, you can get that and listen over and over again and can't imagine you would really get tired of it.

 

[RangerMIke]

Would you actually recommend "The System" over "3% Man" ?

YES!

 

[EyeBRollin]

The only thing I don't like about Wayne is that he's very light on holding women accountable. Other than that, lots of good content.

I'm a huge fan of his material. He suggests holding women accountable basically by moving onto someone else, not scolding them.

 

[EyeBRollin]

An observation.....
throughout his book, while the information is solid....I've noticed he has many blue pill traits........for example he talks about splitting up with an ex that he was crazy about.....she was going to work in England.......so they broke up.....but he says he kept her as a friend and still talks to her regularly .....his justification (and advice) was the following "if two people truly love each other and want to be happy with their choice to go seperate ways, I do not think it is the loving thing to do to cut one another off from all communication. I actually think it makes it harder to heel"

This has nothing to do with red pill / blue pill.

Whereas Doc Love would be brutal...."We don't talk to her anymore. Next!" I prefer that approach.

A preference doesn't make it red-pill or blue pill. Some can interpret that as being butthurt.

Corey's approach is more about behaviors that keep the door open, which is beneficial not just with women, but with sales and business. There is no reason to hold a grudge if someone decides to come back in your life. Frame and mindset determine "red" vs. "blue" not choosing to get butthurt over someone that didn't choose you. You can't force anyone else to choose you. We only control how we react to that person.

Sound advice (as it's Doc Love's) but he has blue pill tendencies (his own nature)

The System on the other hand....
I was looking through that recently........and I've got to say.....Dov Love is the original
red piller......

....even plate spinning came from the System

Again, I don't see any blue pill tendencies in his work.

 

[Stugots26]

Cory's book is worth a read but again, he tends to not hold women accountable for their sh!tty behavior... just a "soft" dismissal while letting her know that the door is always open. Personally I revile that attitude as I believe that women should be held accountable.

Totally agree. This is one of my only main gripes with Corey Wayne. He communicates always leaving the door open - I don't agree that the door should remain open constantly. It contradicts his examples regarding high value and limited time offer. I'm in favor of not letting a woman sit on the fence repeatedly or indefinitely.

He's trying to communicate that by leaving the door open consistently you don't burn the bridge, and you're also demonstrating your outcome independence. But why should you care about burning a bridge with a woman who isn't demonstrating high enough interest level?

 

[Reykhel]

This has nothing to do with red pill / blue pill.



A preference doesn't make it red-pill or blue pill. Some can interpret that as being butthurt.

Corey's approach is more about behaviors that keep the door open, which is beneficial not just with women, but with sales and business. There is no reason to hold a grudge if someone decides to come back in your life. Frame and mindset determine "red" vs. "blue" not choosing to get butthurt over someone that didn't choose you. You can't force anyone else to choose you. We only control how we react to that person.




Again, I don't see any blue pill tendencies in his work.

Frame and mindset determine red pill or blue pill? Wrong. You can still have a strong frame and mindset but everything you do is still coming from a blue pill Disney script. You can still be strong man or successful or whatever...but your still carrying a blue pill paradigm.

I gave two examples of why I believe CW has blue pill tendencias.

Let's look at the one you're fixated on and we'll forget blue / red pill seen as we view it differently:

I could care less if "some would view it as butthurt" if I decide that I no longer wish to speak to an ex. There is no grudge at all. If I'm no longer fvcking her....what use is she to me. It doesn't appear logical.

This is my life. My kingdom. As the saying goes...be the ceo of your life...demote, promote as you see fit.

Worrying that 'some may view that as butthurt ' reveals deep seated approval seeking tendencies. Beta mindset.

I can understand your point of view if it's likely you'll bump into your ex/cousin because the trailer park is small. Expand your horizons and you'll care less what your slack jawed yokel neighbours think.

 

[Reykhel]

Disclaimer: I haven't read this book yet, sounds interesting because I am definitely a fan of Corey Wayne from what I've seen.

There's something I don't understand with the above quote, WHY can't you be "friends" with an ex? Why do you have to "next" her? Is it because SHE broke your fragile heart? Thin line between love and hate? If she was a psycho bpd *****, then yeah, cut contact if you wish...but even then, if you can't control yourself around her, then that's your problem, not hers. Isn't it? However, if one(or both) of you just moved on - realized that the other wasn't the person you/her wanted to spend the rest of your life with (it happens), then why do you have to cut ALL communication?

My thought process: think AA; why do people go to AA? Because they are addicted to alcohol. Alcohol owns their asses. Does anyone ever think: hey that guy in AA has really got his **** together? No, they think: this guy's one drink away from a train wreck. One sip of alcohol and he's off the chains. He's cool now but wait till he gets a shot in him: game over.

I'd rather be the guy that's in control. Not saying I am necessarily always that guy, but THAT is the guy I want to be. The guy that, I believe, Corey Wayne is preaching about.

You're all over the place horse. I shouldn't be surprised. This coming from the mind of a clown who writes "currently trying to decide if I should get off the couch to go take a dump or not" . DJ indeed.

So let's see, the constipated couch potato equates staying in touch with your ex as being in control and cutting contact as not being in control. In the famous words of PK.....you sound like a buffoon.

Your post is full of incorrect assumptions. Like your strange reference to Azzholes Anonymous. You're assuming you know how every single person views an Azzholes Anonymous member.

AA is an insidious religious cult that does more harm than good with it's false disease model and self fulfilling prophecies.

People quit drink and other drugs every day with no need of aa or a fvcking higher power. ...they lose their desire for the drug when they turn the reasons FOR drinking/drugging on their head and see through the brainwashing....another matrix. They understand the nature of addiction. They realise there is no benefit to drinking /drugging just like there is no benefit to staying in contact with your ex's. Both left in the past...door slammed shut. That, is being in control.

Another subject you know nothing about, soft lad.

Time you took that ****e now. Go.

 

[Lozboss]

The only thing I don't like about Wayne is that he's very light on holding women accountable. Other than that, lots of good content.

I really Like Corey. His stuff is good.

Although don't wait 4 days, thats a bit old school. 2 maybe. With tinder etc you'll lose your opportunity.

I personally think his view is much like many of us DJs, if a woman acts up you REMOVE YOUR ATTENTION AND PRESENCE.

Telling people off and trying to brow beat women is a vain affair. They soon learn when your affection goes. It's a much harsher lesson.

 

[EyeBRollin]

He's trying to communicate that by leaving the door open consistently you don't burn the bridge, and you're also demonstrating your outcome independence. But why should you care about burning a bridge with a woman who isn't demonstrating high enough interest level?

It doesn't matter. The point is it is your choice. You aren't any less "red pill" by leaving the door open, as long as you proceed on your terms. That is his message. By all means, if your ex comes back you don't have to answer the phone.

 

[Tictac]

A lot of pickup has to be re-hash. Hey, they're just women. And mostly so with Wayne's book. He credits 'Doc Love' for a lot of he writes.

A friend of mine left his PB copy of the 2013 edition with me last month. I've gone through it a couple of times.

There were some tweaks to the same-old-same-old that I found interesting enough to try out. His idea of letting them come to you by having them reach out OR calling them (say) once a week to ask them out was new to me. And I can tell you that for me, it's helped a lot with Plate #1. She is reaching out a lot now and wondering what I'm up to. So its a plan.

I've also dialed way back on telephone and text conversations with a couple of other women, using contact to set meets, me favoring a lot more silence, gaps and letting them initiate. That's going well too.

Wayne hammers 'fundamentals' (as any good coach does). And he organizes what he says so that it becomes almost a 'technology'. Not a bad way to go.

Did I learn a ton? Not really. Did I improve my game? Seems so. So good enough for me.

 

[evan12]

Would you actually recommend "The System" over "3% Man" ?

The System assume women are more manipulative than 3% Man, but "The Stystem" has outdated info , it seem it was written before mobile era

 

[Infern0]

Wayne is good and has a lot of useful stuff but he does become a bit redundant after a while and he's a little inflexible in his approach.

Once or twice I have gone directly against his "rules" because i felt the situation called for it, and my results were favorable.

By the way he's not saying "3% of men are attractive to women" he's saying "3% of men are expert level at dating and relationships" which is true or true enough imo

A big number of guys who are attractive to women don't have much behind natural game and a bit of charm, it's like they are succesful but dont understand why

 

[WanderingMan]

You're all over the place horse. I shouldn't be surprised. This coming from the mind of a clown who writes "currently trying to decide if I should get off the couch to go take a dump or not" . DJ indeed.

So let's see, the constipated couch potato equates staying in touch with your ex as being in control and cutting contact as not being in control. In the famous words of PK.....you sound like a buffoon.

Your post is full of incorrect assumptions. Like your strange reference to Azzholes Anonymous. You're assuming you know how every single person views an Azzholes Anonymous member.

AA is an insidious religious cult that does more harm than good with it's false disease model and self fulfilling prophecies.

People quit drink and other drugs every day with no need of aa or a fvcking higher power. ...they lose their desire for the drug when they turn the reasons FOR drinking/drugging on their head and see through the brainwashing....another matrix. They understand the nature of addiction. They realise there is no benefit to drinking /drugging just like there is no benefit to staying in contact with your ex's. Both left in the past...door slammed shut. That, is being in control.

Another subject you know nothing about, soft lad.

Time you took that ****e now. Go.

Sounds like I touched a nerve. If you'd like, I'll break your post down for you, but I feel, again, your conceptions would be skewed. Try to understand before you reply next time. <----- a little hint from someone who knows a thing or two.