I just hate life at this point

[marmel75]

This forum is now overrun with deranged men who haven't got a clue. We literally have old men trolling forums and taking pleasure in other people's misery and a half dozen people telling this kid "SUCK IT UP" and keep going at a job where he is MISERABLE.

Let me spell it out for anyone over 40 who still buys this American Dream horsesh!t and is telling OP to just deal with it. THIS IS NOT HOW IT WORKS ANYMORE. Quitting a ****ty 9-5 corporate job is not an automatic disqualification of making a living. The workforce changed in 1971 for god's sake, and the new generation is ADAPTING in vast numbers. I know YOU hate it because you spent your entire life working at a job you hated, but if you refuse to adapt, WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE. Your advice has been irrelevant for 30 years, so stop giving it. Go away. This is not what he wants to hear, and that doesn't make him lazy. Laziness is a myth.

Listen OP, if you hate the job, save as much as you can in as short a period of time as possible, set a date and GTFO. Sell your stuff and drive for Uber while putting an airtight stranglehold on your expenses until you can figure out what you want to do next. There is no fantasy here. There is no comfortable "retirement" to strive for and there is no afterlife. Your life is ending one second and a time and every second you waste at a job you hate cannot be redeemed.

Also, what is your definition of travel? Two weeks in Vegas is not travel. There are millions of young people trekking different continents for months at a time. I met a Canadian kid in Barcelona who had been on the road for 7 months straight, bartering his labor for food and lodging. 9 of us at the hostel went to a soccer game in Barcelona with 100,000 people there..about 10 minutes after we all met. That's travel, and if you haven't done it, it will change your life. The experiences with the people you will meet will stay with you forever even if you never hear from them again.

You're going through a quarter life crisis, and it's very common. PM me if you want to talk.

OP sounds like he probably should get his testosterone/estradiol/progesterone levels checked.

 

[marmel75]

This forum is now overrun with deranged men who haven't got a clue. We literally have old men trolling forums and taking pleasure in other people's misery and a half dozen people telling this kid "SUCK IT UP" and keep going at a job where he is MISERABLE.

Nah bro, its called having life experience. Life isn't all cotton candy and flowers. The answer isn't always to run away from your problems like you are still in high school, sometimes you have to grow up and be a man and actually face them head on. At some point in your life you have to wake up and realize you aren't in Wonderland anymore Alice.

Let me spell it out for anyone over 40 who still buys this American Dream horsesh!t and is telling OP to just deal with it. THIS IS NOT HOW IT WORKS ANYMORE. Quitting a ****ty 9-5 corporate job is not an automatic disqualification of making a living. The workforce changed in 1971 for god's sake, and the new generation is ADAPTING in vast numbers. I know YOU hate it because you spent your entire life working at a job you hated, but if you refuse to adapt, WE DON'T NEED YOU ANYMORE. Your advice has been irrelevant for 30 years, so stop giving it. Go away. This is not what he wants to hear, and that doesn't make him lazy. Laziness is a myth.

I wouldn't say to "deal with it", but I would caution the OP to look a little deeper into the "Why" he is unhappy. From what he is saying, I gather it doesn't matter what he does, he will STILL be unhappy, because he just has a sh!tty attitude and outlook on life. He may not be lazy but I can definitely say from working with many people from all different ages that the 18-25 demographic right now is BY FAR the laziest I have worked with(in general terms--obviously there are some hard workers too, but talking averages). On the first day at a new job they feel entitled to everything someone who has worked there 10 years has without having done sh!t for the company yet. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Nobody is giving handouts in the real world, you have to earn it.
Yes, the workforce has changed, and definitely not for the better. Employers have had to lower their expectations so much because of this, its almost embarrassing when you've worked at a company for a period of time and seeing how they have to coddle the newer employees. Lazy, entitled, mentally soft employees who can't take anything other than hearing how they are God's gift to the company who spend more time on their smart phones than they do doing work and take no pride in what they do. Laziness might be a myth to you because you fall into the same unproductive group as your peers. If that's the case, I'm truly sorry, but at the same time it makes me feel good because I'll always have a job considering it would take 4 of you to replace the amount of work I can accomplish by myself.

Listen OP, if you hate the job, save as much as you can in as short a period of time as possible, set a date and GTFO. Sell your stuff and drive for Uber while putting an airtight stranglehold on your expenses until you can figure out what you want to do next. There is no fantasy here. There is no comfortable "retirement" to strive for and there is no afterlife. Your life is ending one second and a time and every second you waste at a job you hate cannot be redeemed.

Yes, because he will be much happier living like a bum and trying to figure out how to pay his rent, car and other obligations he has. Oh, but that's right...none of those matter in Wonderland, right Alice? Because that ruined credit you have to deal with for the rest of your life due to stupid decisions you make in your 20s only costs you hundreds of thousands of extra dollars....So Uber is the answer to everyone's problems, lmao. But hey, Mom's basement at age 40 sounds great, doesn't it?

Also, what is your definition of travel? Two weeks in Vegas is not travel. There are millions of young people trekking different continents for months at a time. I met a Canadian kid in Barcelona who had been on the road for 7 months straight, bartering his labor for food and lodging. 9 of us at the hostel went to a soccer game in Barcelona with 100,000 people there..about 10 minutes after we all met. That's travel, and if you haven't done it, it will change your life. The experiences with the people you will meet will stay with you forever even if you never hear from them again.

That sounds cool, if that's your thing. To me that sounds like there are a lot of Peter Pan's out there...young boys that never want to grow up and be a man...still stuck in Neverland. Unable to deal with the real world. But I guess you'll have a lot of couches to sleep on for a month or two until they get tired of you mooching because you quit your job that you hated and have no money coming in...oh, I forgot...maybe you can borrow their car to drive UBER, since the repo man finally found your car you tried to stash on a random side street so they couldn't find it...lmao

You're going through a quarter life crisis, and it's very common. PM me if you want to talk.

Goddamn, this is a sad state of affairs. Never realized the declining testosterone levels in generation after generation of males would get us to this point already...SMFH...a "Quarter Life" crisis?
Nah, bro...its called grow up and be a fvcking man...the reason why its so daunting is because they've had everything given to them in life and never had to work for anything. Never learned how to be a man. Sorry, we aren't going anywhere. Gotta be some real men left somewhere.

Most people don't plan to fail, they fail to plan.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Nah bro, its called having life experience. Life isn't all cotton candy and flowers. The answer isn't always to run away from your problems like you are still in high school, sometimes you have to grow up and be a man and actually face them head on. At some point in your life you have to wake up and realize you aren't in Wonderland anymore Alice.



I wouldn't say to "deal with it", but I would caution the OP to look a little deeper into the "Why" he is unhappy. From what he is saying, I gather it doesn't matter what he does, he will STILL be unhappy, because he just has a sh!tty attitude and outlook on life. He may not be lazy but I can definitely say from working with many people from all different ages that the 18-25 demographic right now is BY FAR the laziest I have worked with(in general terms--obviously there are some hard workers too, but talking averages). On the first day at a new job they feel entitled to everything someone who has worked there 10 years has without having done sh!t for the company yet. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Nobody is giving handouts in the real world, you have to earn it.
Yes, the workforce has changed, and definitely not for the better. Employers have had to lower their expectations so much because of this, its almost embarrassing when you've worked at a company for a period of time and seeing how they have to coddle the newer employees. Lazy, entitled, mentally soft employees who can't take anything other than hearing how they are God's gift to the company who spend more time on their smart phones than they do doing work and take no pride in what they do. Laziness might be a myth to you because you fall into the same unproductive group as your peers. If that's the case, I'm truly sorry, but at the same time it makes me feel good because I'll always have a job considering it would take 4 of you to replace the amount of work I can accomplish by myself.




Yes, because he will be much happier living like a bum and trying to figure out how to pay his rent, car and other obligations he has. Oh, but that's right...none of those matter in Wonderland, right Alice? Because that ruined credit you have to deal with for the rest of your life due to stupid decisions you make in your 20s only costs you hundreds of thousands of extra dollars....So Uber is the answer to everyone's problems, lmao. But hey, Mom's basement at age 40 sounds great, doesn't it?



That sounds cool, if that's your thing. To me that sounds like there are a lot of Peter Pan's out there...young boys that never want to grow up and be a man...still stuck in Neverland. Unable to deal with the real world. But I guess you'll have a lot of couches to sleep on for a month or two until they get tired of you mooching because you quit your job that you hated and have no money coming in...oh, I forgot...maybe you can borrow their car to drive UBER, since the repo man finally found your car you tried to stash on a random side street so they couldn't find it...lmao




Goddamn, this is a sad state of affairs. Never realized the declining testosterone levels in generation after generation of males would get us to this point already...SMFH...a "Quarter Life" crisis?
Nah, bro...its called grow up and be a fvcking man...the reason why its so daunting is because they've had everything given to them in life and never had to work for anything. Never learned how to be a man. Sorry, we aren't going anywhere. Gotta be some real men left somewhere.

Most people don't plan to fail, they fail to plan.

Yes - behold the worthless millennial blatantly disrespecting his elders. Get ready for more Alice.

It is in large part your fault that the youth are so disillusioned today. It was YOU and YOUR generation who lied to kids from the age of 5, telling them to stay in school, memorize a bunch of crap you'll never use, get a degree, get a "good job", and then retire at 65 with $200,000 to show for 40 years and less than ten years to live. Now, as the conditions have only gotten worse, they've caught onto the lie by the hundreds of millions, and you're seeing them jump off the sinking ship like rats.

Corporate greed is totally off the chain and OUT OF CONTROL. Work weeks are getting longer, wages lower, the retirement age higher. Yet you're loyal to this machine and this "be grateful you have a job" scam. Your directors and VP's are laughing at you. You bought it hook, line, and sinker.

What you call "being a man" I call being a stubborn old fool. What you call "laziness" I call critical thinking.

Make no mistake about me, I'm 26 years old and having the time of my life traveling the world (15 countries in the last 3 years), writing e-books, living simply, and jumping from job to job whenever I need a quick buck to finance the next adventure. Yes, I give a damn good interview, show up on the first day and make a great impression, and then milk them for as much as I can for as little work as possible until the charade is over. Why? Because there is no such thing as loyalty at a job. If you don't exploit them, they will exploit you. Play or be played.

Of course, it wasn't always that way. Fresh out of college, I put in the 12 hour days without a lunch break. I attended the 7 am Saturday meetings. I saved my first $10,000 in cash my first year out of college with no help, making $23 an hour and saving 50 cents of every dollar. And I was miserable, kinda like OP, and kind of like you somewhere in your subconscious.

The reason you're seeing millenials giving up is because WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.

WE DON'T CARE about your white picket fence
WE DON'T CARE about 401k
WE DON'T CARE about your retirement Rolex watch
WE DON'T CARE about how you walked 15 miles in the snow to get to work just to feed your family.

These stories are largely inflated - you've exaggerated your credentials to convince yourself you sacrificing your entire life for a corporate overlord was worth it. Every generation does it and it all trickles down through accusations that the current generation of young people is the laziest ever. We don't care about this anymore.

Where you are really naïve is thinking that a person is set to be a homeless bum by not working a 9-5. Do you realize there's never been a better time to be an entrepreneur? Write e-books and market them right, make $10,000 a month. Create an app, become a billionaire. Get one lucky break, make it on the radio. Then again, tell Justin Bieber about your "diversified portfolio of mutual funds." Surely you can tell this millennial who made 60 million dollars and smashed 600 women last year to just "get a real job."

I wish you well the rest of your days, but thankfully the time is running out on your mindset. I know you'll have your defenders on this issue and I'll have mine, but the tide is turning as time goes on. Many, many people don't think like this anymore. You can keep your "planning"

And for the record, you playing the "man up" card like a defeated feminist is cheap and doesn't fool anybody. Being an old fool doesn't make you any more masculine than a young guy with a backpack trekking the planet, obliterating his comfort zone in the process. Quite the contrary actually. If it was you who stayed in the safety of a "job" for decades at a time like a turtle in his shell, that's far more cowardly and really like throwing stones when you have a glass house.

Evolution is not a theory - it's factual. One of it's core tenants is adapt or perish. We are adapting to a changing world. On that note, feel free to check out my author page...

 

[marmel75]

Yes - behold the worthless millennial blatantly disrespecting his elders. Get ready for more Alice.

It is in large part your fault that the youth are so disillusioned today. It was YOU and YOUR generation who lied to kids from the age of 5, telling them to stay in school, memorize a bunch of crap you'll never use, get a degree, get a "good job", and then retire at 65 with $200,000 to show for 40 years and less than ten years to live. Now, as the conditions have only gotten worse, they've caught onto the lie by the hundreds of millions, and you're seeing them jump off the sinking ship like rats.

Corporate greed is totally off the chain and OUT OF CONTROL. Work weeks are getting longer, wages lower, the retirement age higher. Yet you're loyal to this machine and this "be grateful you have a job" scam. Your directors and VP's are laughing at you. You bought it hook, line, and sinker.

Corporate greed has ALWAYS been out of control. Its called Capitalism. Ever hear of the "Robber Barons" of the 1800's? Of course not...you probably can't even locate half the states on a map of the US...what the hell am I thinking that you would have paid attention in history class. This isn't anything new. You didn't just make some type of miraculous discovery. It only seems that way because you never bothered learning anything in school. If you had, you would realize you are nothing more than New Age hippies that were around in the 1960's and 1970's...Let me guess "Peace, Love, Dope"? Too busy playing on your tablets I guess growing up...

What you call "being a man" I call being a stubborn old fool. What you call "laziness" I call critical thinking.

You don't yet have the qualifications to determine what being a man entails. So your opinion holds no value to me. And no, laziness is just laziness. You can try to put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day its still a pig.

Make no mistake about me, I'm 26 years old and having the time of my life traveling the world (15 countries in the last 3 years), writing e-books, living simply, and jumping from job to job whenever I need a quick buck to finance the next adventure. Yes, I give a damn good interview, show up on the first day and make a great impression, and then milk them for as much as I can for as little work as possible until the charade is over. Why? Because there is no such thing as loyalty at a job. If you don't exploit them, they will exploit you. Play or be played.

Of course, it wasn't always that way. Fresh out of college, I put in the 12 hour days without a lunch break. I attended the 7 am Saturday meetings. I saved my first $10,000 in cash my first year out of college with no help, making $23 an hour and saving 50 cents of every dollar. And I was miserable, kinda like OP, and kind of like you somewhere in your subconscious.

No sh!t there is no loyalty at a job. Never said there was. However, there is having enough self respect and pride to come to work and do the best job you can, not for the company, for YOU. But apparently you never learned this growing up either. What the hell did you learn growing up? Other than learning how to sneak your parents prescription pills out of the house, what fragrances or sprays best cover up the smell of weed, or how to get alcohol when you are 15? That about sum it up for you? You still have the mindset of a high school student. A man takes pride in everything they do and wants to do the best job they can, not for anyone else, but because they respect themselves enough to always give their best effort. The fact you can't even grasp this, tells me everything I need to know about you and your generation, which is that eventually you are going to crash and burn hard, sooner rather than later. No values, no respect for themselves or anyone else, no understanding of how things work in life.

The reason you're seeing millenials giving up is because WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.

No, you are giving up because that's what you do best when the going gets tough. Quit.

WE DON'T CARE about your white picket fence
WE DON'T CARE about 401k
WE DON'T CARE about your retirement Rolex watch
WE DON'T CARE about how you walked 15 miles in the snow to get to work just to feed your family.

Until you are 40+ years old living in your parents basement and then you wish you would have cared more about those things...but hey...at least you'll have Mommy to cook you 3 meals a day and do your laundry!

These stories are largely inflated - you've exaggerated your credentials to convince yourself you sacrificing your entire life for a corporate overlord was worth it. Every generation does it and it all trickles down through accusations that the current generation of young people is the laziest ever. We don't care about this anymore.

I tell no such stories. And no, I simply base my accusations of laziness based on what I have observed and the way companies I've worked at had to totally change their policies to "coddle" your generation because you can't handle the pressure of expectations. And the reason you can't handle it is because you don't do any work. Hard to have high expectations for someone when they spend half their day on their phone...if you don't believe me, go ask any hiring manager you want, they will tell you the truth. But I'm sure they are all lying too.

Where you are really naïve is thinking that a person is set to be a homeless bum by not working a 9-5. Do you realize there's never been a better time to be an entrepreneur? Write e-books and market them right, make $10,000 a month. Create an app, become a billionaire. Get one lucky break, make it on the radio. Then again, tell Justin Bieber about your "diversified portfolio of mutual funds." Surely you can tell this millennial who made 60 million dollars and smashed 600 women last year to just "get a real job."

60 million from writing e-books about how to be lazy, work places but have no self-respect to do your best, travel all over the world by sleeping couch to couch and driving Uber? Quite possible...that's the dream of everyone in your generation these days. Live their whole life in fantasyland...no wonder why there are so many drug addicted people your age. It helps take them away from reality because they are so mentally weak they can't handle it.

I wish you well the rest of your days, but thankfully the time is running out on your breed. I know you'll have your defenders on this issue and I'll have mine, but the tide is turning as time goes on. You can keep your "planning". And for the record, you playing the "man up" card is cheap and doesn't impress anybody. Being an old fool doesn't make you any more masculine than a young guy with a backpacking trekking the planet, obliterating his comfort zone in the process. Quite the contrary actually.

That's all well and good. Let's see how all that moving around works once you have a family and children of your own. You going to take them out of their schools and away from their friends every 6 months on a whim? Ahh, you probably wouldn't care. You seem incapable of focusing on anything or anyone other than your self-absorbed, self-centered life.

Evolution is not a theory - it's factual. One of it's core tenants is adapt or perish. We are adapting to a changing world. On that note, feel free to check out my author page...

Everyone is adapting. Some of us choose not to be "radical" in our approach. Same way some Muslims choose not to be "radical" in their approach and don't run around suicide bombing places.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Corporate greed has ALWAYS been out of control. Its called Capitalism. Ever hear of the "Robber Barons" of the 1800's? Of course not...you probably can't even locate half the states on a map of the US...what the hell am I thinking that you would have paid attention in history class. This isn't anything new. You didn't just make some type of miraculous discovery. It only seems that way because you never bothered learning anything in school. If you had, you would realize you are nothing more than New Age hippies that were around in the 1960's and 1970's...Let me guess "Peace, Love, Dope"? Too busy playing on your tablets I guess growing up...



You don't yet have the qualifications to determine what being a man entails. So your opinion holds no value to me. And no, laziness is just laziness. You can try to put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day its still a pig.



No sh!t there is no loyalty at a job. Never said there was. However, there is having enough self respect and pride to come to work and do the best job you can, not for the company, for YOU. But apparently you never learned this growing up either. What the hell did you learn growing up? Other than learning how to sneak your parents prescription pills out of the house, what fragrances or sprays best cover up the smell of weed, or how to get alcohol when you are 15? That about sum it up for you? You still have the mindset of a high school student. A man takes pride in everything they do and wants to do the best job they can, not for anyone else, but because they respect themselves enough to always give their best effort. The fact you can't even grasp this, tells me everything I need to know about you and your generation, which is that eventually you are going to crash and burn hard, sooner rather than later. No values, no respect for themselves or anyone else, no understanding of how things work in life.



No, you are giving up because that's what you do best when the going gets tough. Quit.



Until you are 40+ years old living in your parents basement and then you wish you would have cared more about those things...but hey...at least you'll have Mommy to cook you 3 meals a day and do your laundry!




I tell no such stories. And no, I simply base my accusations of laziness based on what I have observed and the way companies I've worked at had to totally change their policies to "coddle" your generation because you can't handle the pressure of expectations. And the reason you can't handle it is because you don't do any work. Hard to have high expectations for someone when they spend half their day on their phone...if you don't believe me, go ask any hiring manager you want, they will tell you the truth. But I'm sure they are all lying too.




60 million from writing e-books about how to be lazy, work places but have no self-respect to do your best, travel all over the world by sleeping couch to couch and driving Uber? Quite possible...that's the dream of everyone in your generation these days. Live their whole life in fantasyland...no wonder why there are so many drug addicted people your age. It helps take them away from reality because they are so mentally weak they can't handle it.



That's all well and good. Let's see how all that moving around works once you have a family and children of your own. You going to take them out of their schools and away from their friends every 6 months on a whim? Ahh, you probably wouldn't care. You seem incapable of focusing on anything or anyone other than your self-absorbed, self-centered life.



Everyone is adapting. Some of us choose not to be "radical" in our approach. Same way some Muslims choose not to be "radical" in their approach and don't run around suicide bombing places.

My opinion means nothing to you, but you're going back and forth with me and getting a lesson on defiance in the process. Consider this the young lion taking the old lion out to the woodshed. Here goes, part 2..

For the record, I'm a conservative libertarian, and I can't stand liberal hippies. You're wrong again.

As far as locating half the states on the map, I've BEEN to half the states on the map. And two other continents so far. Likely far more than you. I'm still waiting to see what challenging things you've done in your life, other than bow your head to a corporate robot who emasculated you with doughnuts and pats on the back every quarter, which you're now trying to account for with this comical chest-beating.

You reek of a disgruntled old man full of regrets. If you were born in '75 that makes you about 40 years old, right around the time you get the mid-life crisis and realize you haven't accomplished anything fulfilling other than be a cog in a machine. So you go on talking about laziness and engaging in ad hominem attacks. You've labeled me a drug addict and someone who lives at home - even though I'm sober and moved out of my parents place at 19. You don't know anything about me, but you want to drag other people down to your level. Hey, misery loves company.

In our short time in the workforce, we've seen a lot of people like you. You're part of the reason we can't stand coming in. Every grocery store and electronics shop has a "lifer" who never produced anything in his whole life & who can't stand the young people they bring in for seasonal work because they still have a shot in life. The false bravado you cover it up with again, isn't fooling anyone. It's quite transparent. You talk about young people "qutting" when the going gets tough. The way I see it, you've got an ego investment in a failed system because it's all you know, so you've convinced yourself you did the noble thing. I've got two grandfathers still alive who think just like you. They're a combined 190 years old and we sure love them, but nobody listens to them on this stuff anymore.

Again, laziness is a myth - a guilt trip passed down to the next generation by people like you who are jealous that people caught onto a rigged game and are pursuing their passions, which you never did. If you had you wouldn't talk about how miserable life can be. Instead you'd be telling OP how life is beautiful.

In lieu of not having any good answer, you default to a d!ck-measuring contest, like a typical grocery store lifer.

Again good luck, but we don't need you anymore. Move on and enjoy Judge Judy in your retirement.

 

[marmel75]

My opinion means nothing to you, but you're going back and forth with me and getting a lesson on defiance in the process. Consider this the young lion taking the old lion out to the woodshed. Here goes, part 2..

For the record, I'm a conservative libertarian, and I can't stand liberal hippies. You're wrong again.

As far as locating half the states on the map, I've BEEN to half the states on the map. And two other continents so far. Likely far more than you. I'm still waiting to see what challenging things you've done in your life, other than bow your head to a corporate robot who emasculated you with doughnuts and pats on the back every quarter, which you're now trying to account for with this comical chest-beating.

"Chest beating"? Lmao...hardly brother. I'm pretty well traveled myself, and have dual-citizenship since my father is FROM a different continent and foreign country. Not to mention I'm multi-lingual.
Challenging things? You mean things like walking onto a college soccer team ranked in the top 10 in the country at the time? Turning myself from a 255 lb fat ass with a one way ticket to a heart attack into a fvcking beast that has a big 3 of over 1,400 lbs and under 10% body fat at 40 years old, which means I have become a better physical specimen than 98%+ of the male population ever will in their lifetime?

You want a challenge? Get under a bar with almost 500 lbs on it and drop down til your legs are parallel to the ground and come back up with it. When I talk about mental toughness, pushing yourself farther than you ever thought was possible and hard work, I don't just talk it, I eat, breathe and sweat it every day. You'll never know anything about that tho. All you know how to do is quit when things get hard. You are the dude in the gym I have seen every day for the last 2 years that looks exactly the same today as when I first saw him 2 years ago...never willing to push themselves hard because its so much easier to just quit when things get tough.

So I look at you just like I do them. With a smirk and a chuckle. A "young lion", LMFAO...bro, I'd give you a butcher knife and go to sleep in the living room, secure in the fact I'd wake up the next morning. Only thing you'd get from me is a dismissive backhanded wave.

And as far as companies, sh!t, they better hope to win me over with something other than doughnuts...I don't do those anymore.

You reek of a disgruntled old man full of regrets. If you were born in '75 that makes you about 40 years old, right around the time you get the mid-life crisis and realize you haven't accomplished anything fulfilling other than be a cog in a machine. So you go on talking about laziness and engaging in ad hominem attacks. You've labeled me a drug addict and someone who lives at home - even though I'm sober and moved out of my parents place at 19. You don't know anything about me, but you want to drag other people down to your level. Hey, misery loves company.

Everyone has regrets or things they would have done differently when they were younger. Those don't come as you are living in the moment, those come 10-15 years down the road as you look back at things. So, yeah, at age 26 I didn't have any "regrets" either. As you get older, your perspective on things changes, and you start to view things differently than you did when you were younger. I think about things now and again when I am having an introspective moment, but I never dwell on them. Why bother? I can't go back and change them anymore than you could go back and change the decisions you made when you were 12. I'm the last person who would be considered disgruntled. I do what I do and I keep it moving. I'm always looking ahead, not behind me...I don't let things worry me, stress me out, or make me unhappy. I'm almost always in a good mood. I don't define myself by where I work, I do the best job I can while I'm there, but once I'm done with work for the day, I'm done with work and I don't think about it. I've got a lot more important things to think about.

In our short time in the workforce, we've seen a lot of people like you. You're part of the reason we can't stand coming in. Every grocery store and electronics shop has a "lifer" who never produced anything in his whole life & who can't stand the young people they bring in for seasonal work because they still have a shot in life. The false bravado you cover it up with again, isn't fooling anyone. It's quite transparent. You talk about young people "qutting" when the going gets tough. The way I see it, you've got an ego investment in a failed system because it's all you know, so you've convinced yourself you did the noble thing. I've got two grandfathers still alive who think just like you. They're a combined 190 years old and we sure love them, but nobody listens to them on this stuff anymore.

Hardly a "lifer". I'm in sales, and as such, I more or less write my own paycheck based on how good I am. Basically, I'm the CEO of "Me", INC. And I'm damn good. For some reason MILF's seem to like flirting and buying from guys with muscles busting out of tight polo shirts...and people think sex doesn't sell....how wrong they are, lol.

So, in truth, to be clear, I don't give a fvck about your generation. I train you mvtha****as every other week. I don't even worry about learning your names, don't matter to me until you are there for 6 months. I don't even bother cause most of them quit before then...they get nicknames until that point from me. Free to work the hours I want, the days I want, no supervision. All they care about is the results, and I deliver on that quite well. Got to have a strong work ethic to survive under those conditions, which explains why people my age are succeeding there while people your age don't.

Again, laziness is a myth - a guilt trip passed down to the next generation by people like you who are jealous that people caught onto a rigged game and are pursuing their passions, which you never did. If you had you wouldn't talk about how miserable life can be. Instead you'd be telling OP how life is beautiful.

Nah, if you are willing to do the work, you get the paycheck in my business. Can't fake the funk in sales. They know who is working and who isn't. You can spin it like a top as many ways as you want to, it still ends up back at the same place.

In lieu of not having any good answer, you default to a d!ck-measuring contest, like a typical grocery store lifer.

The only "good" answer is apparently the one that fits your radical views. You stockpiling ammunition and weapons, btw? Any targets in mind?

Again good luck, but we don't need you anymore. Move on and enjoy Judge Judy in your retirement.

Check back with me in 14 years to see if you have the same view. Chances are, you won't. Chances are you think the 26 year old version of you was a know-it-all idiot.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

"Chest beating"? Lmao...hardly brother. I'm pretty well traveled myself, and have dual-citizenship since my father is FROM a different continent and foreign country. Not to mention I'm multi-lingual.
Challenging things? You mean things like walking onto a college soccer team ranked in the top 10 in the country at the time? Turning myself from a 255 lb fat ass with a one way ticket to a heart attack into a fvcking beast that has a big 3 of over 1,400 lbs and under 10% body fat at 40 years old, which means I have become a better physical specimen than 98%+ of the male population ever will in their lifetime?

You want a challenge? Get under a bar with almost 500 lbs on it and drop down til your legs are parallel to the ground and come back up with it. When I talk about mental toughness, pushing yourself farther than you ever thought was possible and hard work, I don't just talk it, I eat, breathe and sweat it every day. You'll never know anything about that tho. All you know how to do is quit when things get hard. You are the dude in the gym I have seen every day for the last 2 years that looks exactly the same today as when I first saw him 2 years ago...never willing to push themselves hard because its so much easier to just quit when things get tough.

So I look at you just like I do them. With a smirk and a chuckle. A "young lion", LMFAO...bro, I'd give you a butcher knife and go to sleep in the living room, secure in the fact I'd wake up the next morning. Only thing you'd get from me is a dismissive backhanded wave.

And as far as companies, sh!t, they better hope to win me over with something other than doughnuts...I don't do those anymore.



Everyone has regrets or things they would have done differently when they were younger. Those don't come as you are living in the moment, those come 10-15 years down the road as you look back at things. So, yeah, at age 26 I didn't have any "regrets" either. As you get older, your perspective on things changes, and you start to view things differently than you did when you were younger. I think about things now and again when I am having an introspective moment, but I never dwell on them. Why bother? I can't go back and change them anymore than you could go back and change the decisions you made when you were 12. I'm the last person who would be considered disgruntled. I do what I do and I keep it moving. I'm always looking ahead, not behind me...I don't let things worry me, stress me out, or make me unhappy. I'm almost always in a good mood. I don't define myself by where I work, I do the best job I can while I'm there, but once I'm done with work for the day, I'm done with work and I don't think about it. I've got a lot more important things to think about.




Hardly a "lifer". I'm in sales, and as such, I more or less write my own paycheck based on how good I am. Basically, I'm the CEO of "Me", INC. And I'm damn good. For some reason MILF's seem to like flirting and buying from guys with muscles busting out of tight polo shirts...and people think sex doesn't sell....how wrong they are, lol.

So, in truth, to be clear, I don't give a fvck about your generation. I train you mvtha****as every other week. I don't even worry about learning your names, don't matter to me until you are there for 6 months. I don't even bother cause most of them quit before then...they get nicknames until that point from me. Free to work the hours I want, the days I want, no supervision. All they care about is the results, and I deliver on that quite well. Got to have a strong work ethic to survive under those conditions, which explains why people my age are succeeding there while people your age don't.



Nah, if you are willing to do the work, you get the paycheck in my business. Can't fake the funk in sales. They know who is working and who isn't. You can spin it like a top as many ways as you want to, it still ends up back at the same place.



The only "good" answer is apparently the one that fits your radical views. You stockpiling ammunition and weapons, btw? Any targets in mind?



Check back with me in 14 years to see if you have the same view. Chances are, you won't. Chances are you think the 26 year old version of you was a know-it-all idiot.

Thats 45 minutes of hilarious chest beating. To deny it now you're just lying.

I think your steroid use and benching 1500 lb has adled your brain. In this chat you've spoken about knives and Muslims, and put your foot in your mouth by talking about how happy you are, while at the same time telling the OP to suck it up because life is pretty miserable.

When you say get a real job, we laugh. I know you hate that, which makes us laugh more. You're delusional and clearly don't understand evolution in a social context. Everyone is good at something and in a world like today's has the opportunity to make a living doing something they love thereabouts 20 hours a week. Who in their right mind besides "sales" lifers like you would want to work 60 hours at some ****ty office job with those kinds of opportunities? OP doesn't, his problem is not finding an alternative yet.

I dont denigrate you for the way you became a trillionaire with Arnold's body, but I'll say it for the third time - we don't need you anymore because you're out of touch. And its not just frappucino drinking hippies saying it, its many red pill guys. Now run along and get back to TV Land.

 

[Tictac]

My opinion means nothing to you, but you're going back and forth with me and getting a lesson on defiance in the process. Consider this the young lion taking the old lion out to the woodshed. Here goes, part 2..

For the record, I'm a conservative libertarian, and I can't stand liberal hippies. You're wrong again.

As far as locating half the states on the map, I've BEEN to half the states on the map. And two other continents so far. Likely far more than you. I'm still waiting to see what challenging things you've done in your life, other than bow your head to a corporate robot who emasculated you with doughnuts and pats on the back every quarter, which you're now trying to account for with this comical chest-beating.

You reek of a disgruntled old man full of regrets. If you were born in '75 that makes you about 40 years old, right around the time you get the mid-life crisis and realize you haven't accomplished anything fulfilling other than be a cog in a machine. So you go on talking about laziness and engaging in ad hominem attacks. You've labeled me a drug addict and someone who lives at home - even though I'm sober and moved out of my parents place at 19. You don't know anything about me, but you want to drag other people down to your level. Hey, misery loves company.

In our short time in the workforce, we've seen a lot of people like you. You're part of the reason we can't stand coming in. Every grocery store and electronics shop has a "lifer" who never produced anything in his whole life & who can't stand the young people they bring in for seasonal work because they still have a shot in life. The false bravado you cover it up with again, isn't fooling anyone. It's quite transparent. You talk about young people "qutting" when the going gets tough. The way I see it, you've got an ego investment in a failed system because it's all you know, so you've convinced yourself you did the noble thing. I've got two grandfathers still alive who think just like you. They're

Thats 45 minutes of hilarious chest beating. To deny it now you're just lying.

I think your steroid use and benching 1500 lb has adled your brain. In this chat you've spoken about knives and Muslims, and put your foot in your mouth by talking about how happy you are, while at the same time telling the OP to suck it up because life is pretty miserable.

When you say get a real job, we laugh. I know you hate that, which makes us laugh more. You're delusional and clearly don't understand evolution in a social context. Everyone is good at something and in a world like today's has the opportunity to make a living doing something they love thereabouts 20 hours a week. Who in their right mind besides "sales" lifers like you would want to work 60 hours at some ****ty office job with those kinds of opportunities? OP doesn't, his problem is not finding an alternative yet.

I dont denigrate you for the way you became a trillionaire with Arnold's body, but I'll say it for the third time - we don't need you anymore because you're out of touch. And its not just frappucino drinking hippies saying it, its many red pill guys. Now run along and get back to TV Land.

The number of times you type 'we' is hilarious. You walk around with a frog in your pocket? You are absolutely alone Sparky.

It's nice that you say what a MGTOW you've become at 26. You figured out early that no one needs you and so you checked out. It's too bad that you became a 26-year old misanthrope that blames other people for being a sourpuss in the bargain. Otherwise your typing might mean something or at least be interesting. Instead it's simple envy and powerlessness thinly disguised as prissy, narcissistic invective - an extended ad hominem attack on anyone older than you.

Newsflash - blame is for p*ssies. And it's all you have.

 

[marmel75]

Thats 45 minutes of hilarious chest beating. To deny it now you're just lying.

I think your steroid use and benching 1500 lb has adled your brain. In this chat you've spoken about knives and Muslims, and put your foot in your mouth by talking about how happy you are, while at the same time telling the OP to suck it up because life is pretty miserable.

When you say get a real job, we laugh. I know you hate that, which makes us laugh more. You're delusional and clearly don't understand evolution in a social context. Everyone is good at something and in a world like today's has the opportunity to make a living doing something they love thereabouts 20 hours a week. Who in their right mind besides "sales" lifers like you would want to work 60 hours at some ****ty office job with those kinds of opportunities? OP doesn't, his problem is not finding an alternative yet.

I dont denigrate you for the way you became a trillionaire with Arnold's body, but I'll say it for the third time - we don't need you anymore because you're out of touch. And its not just frappucino drinking hippies saying it, its many red pill guys. Now run along and get back to TV Land.

Yes, I have talked about Muslims. I have a unique perspective to do so. My father is Muslim. 60 hours a week? Lmao hardly...most weeks I work 35-40. When you are actually focused on what you do while you are at work, you'd find the ability to get an incredible amount of work done in a short period of time. But you wouldn't know anything about that. I'm in a results based business, not a time based business.

Again, you fail to understand basic life principles, probably because you are 26 and stopped learning at the age of 12 or 13. OP is unhappy because he CHOOSES to be unhappy. True happiness is never dependant upon outside influences. Again, based on OPs current mindset, it makes no difference where he works or what he does, he will find a way to be unhappy, because that's the narrative he CHOOSES to write for himself. OP has a horrible self image, no self worth, and doesn't hate all those things, he simply hates himself. No amount of outside influences will ever fix that.

And you do appear good at something, Alice...living in a special kind of Wonderland.

 

[CuddleJunkie]

I think it's completely normal to hate life.

Sometimes, I do hate it.

But I do my best to make the most of it. I'm not sure what the alternative is (probably just unconsciousness), so I'll do my best to enjoy myself and maybe even help a few people along the way.

And proving a few people wrong is kind of fun.

That's about as philosophical I can be.

Life sucks , but you can find pleasure and happiness in the fight with it.

It's in this realization about the total lack of sense of the world where you can find the most powerful and raw experience of freedom. Freedom to do whatever the **** you want to do, because there is nothing making things right or wrong, because there is no ultimate goal, and because whatever you do have 0 importance in an infinite world.

 

[Fatal Jay]

You should go see a doctor bro, is depression a normal thing for you? I think you need some help.

No, that's the problem in America we diagnose and have people dependent. He needs to go out and try some new things. Stop being a pu$$y and try new things. He is bored with the same routine and too afraid to get out of it.

You would be surprise how good you feel if you did some traveling. Being in a new place or new city really does something to your energy. The dope thing about it is you can go by yourself. Sometimes certain towns or cities can drain your energy. I been there.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

From what I've seen, heard, and been told, the latest generation is the laziest. I was told this, my mom was told this, her dad was told this, etc. And we do tend to thinkthat our parents are wrong, and sometimes they are (the older my dad gets, the more he realizes that the advice I gave him at 13, 14, & 15 years old were right, but his age trumps my knowledge and my own experience too due to his stubborn ignorance). It's because times do change despite what we all might say. People do work hard, just in different ways. That's why the latest generation is always the 'laziest'. We also have to remember, who raised the most recent generation? We don't seem to care about certain aspects of education because in all honesty, English class past 7th or 8th grade is a literary arts class. From what I've seen in [almost] every job possible, it is COMPLETELY useless. Yet at the same time, it is a required course for all 4 years of high school (for common core anyway) and for some universities as well. Because of reasons like these, the entire NATION is collapsing, not the most recent generation. It wasn't the most recent generation that made these dumb rules either. It was the generation before them, which, by the way, raised us 'lazy sacks of sh!t'. Well gee, I wonder why we're so uninterested in learning about random bull**** that we will never need ever again after the test scores come up? This nation only cares about test scores, hence why kids now care about their grades over actually learning. It's uninteresting and is stupid.

You guys need to remember too:
Age ≠ experience.
Age ≠ knowledge/wisdom.
Age ≠ superiority/greatness.

 

[TheSplat]

Be responsible for your own happiness.

Exactly. Take control of your life.

 

[marmel75]

Evolution is not a theory - it's factual. One of it's core tenants is adapt or perish. We are adapting to a changing world. On that note, feel free to check out my author page...

I find it hilarious, your generation talks about adapting. You were born into the digital age. Adapting? Adapting to what?

People in the 35-45 age range demographic have adapted to more technological advances within a shorter period of time than perhaps any demographic in the history of the world. From Records to 4-Tracks to 8-Tracks to Cassettes to CDs to DVDs to BluRay. From no home computing to computers with no hard drives, 64 and 128K of RAM and monochrome monitors to computers with the first hard drives, to color monitors, to rapidly changing and advancing processor and RAM speeds, to giant hard drives to CD and then finally DVD drives that at first were only readable but are now read and writeable. From Corded phones that sat on a table or hung on a wall to cordless phones to pagers, to the first mobile phones to smart phones. From basic TV that only had a handful of channels, to cable TV with 20 or 30 channels to ever increasing options and channel lineups to Netflix, Hulu, etc. From No internet to dial up to DSL to cable to Fiber Optics.

We have changed and adapted far, far more than you could even dream of. In fact, if your generation had to adapt as much as we have, you probably would have just given up. You have no perspective. You have no idea of times when the world wasn't connected. Times when someone couldn't reach you in an instant on 10 different platforms, when you had to wait until you got home to check your messages, or see who tried to call you. Times when you couldn't just go research things online and the Encyclopedia Brittanica was the be all end all of research, when you actually had to go to the library to learn about things and read hard cover books. Times when you would call everyone ahead of time to let them know you were going online and for them not to call and how invariably someone called and kicked you offline, times when the world wasn't at your fingertips 24/7.

So while your entitled, self-righteous attitude doesn't need us, you exist the way you do BECAUSE of people like us who built the infrastructures and grew up and adapted during a time when technology was adapting and expanding in ways you can't even comprehend because you've never had to experience it before. You can like it, not like it, disagree with it or rail against us. But none of that changes what the truth is. The reason you are like this is precisely you have NO PERSPECTIVE on what the world was like and how different it was living through those times and how lucky you are to have what you have now. Its a generation of spoiled brats who expect everything in life but have no appreciation for it because you've never had to live through the times when all those things weren't available to you.

Adapt? You've had to adapt to nothing. Our generation made sure of that for you.

 

[AttackFormation]

I find it intensely ironic how millennials are criticised by the same society that made them and were in charge of raising them. But then that is nothing new in human history, every generation criticises the next one. Blaming millennials for their mental state when like any animal species that has childrearing humans are formed by their (in these times lack of and/or bad) parents is a reflection and expression of the warped and crumbling value system we have today. I don't believe this is something new to modern generations, but rather that these negatives are at an all-time high.

I personally think it's natural that a generation growing up with destructive social influences like feminism, social media, a fake economy, lower testosterone from pollution etc. and a lack of the basic structure humans need both as a civilization and individuals (good parent/teaching figures, which was both disregarded and systemically killed off in the latter half of the 20th century) has more systemic shortcomings than those before it.

Me, I think it will take a planet-wide civilization collapse before anything really changes, assuming our species doesn't wipe itself out in that event. Until then things are going to get worse, and the fading away of concepts that have to be learned and drilled into the fabric of a child's brain by a healthy civilization like responsibility, integrity and honesty will catalyse the fall.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

The number of times you type 'we' is hilarious. You walk around with a frog in your pocket? You are absolutely alone Sparky.

It's nice that you say what a MGTOW you've become at 26. You figured out early that no one needs you and so you checked out. It's too bad that you became a 26-year old misanthrope that blames other people for being a sourpuss in the bargain. Otherwise your typing might mean something or at least be interesting. Instead it's simple envy and powerlessness thinly disguised as prissy, narcissistic invective - an extended ad hominem attack on anyone older than you.

Newsflash - blame is for p*ssies. And it's all you have.

Well well if it isn't the original chest-beating psychopath attacking people's manhood on an internet forum. If it's one thing your kind can't stand it's a millennial that can match wits with you...you've met your match gramps.

How does it feel knowing that those 90,000 hours you put in over the last 40 years were meaningless and that your life philosophy has become irrelevant in your lifetime?

You were the initial person to take a whack at OP, showing yourself to be a 64 year old man living vicariously through the pain of others in the internet. Then a few people told you what you were - the deranged grandpa at Thanksgiving that everybody just tunes out at this point. Want to know why I say "we"? Notice the affirmations from the people who've chimed in since this thread got hot. At least 3 people have affirmed my thought processes. There are hundreds of millions of young people who feel this way - I know because I've met them during my travels and talked to them. People from Vancouver, to London, to Australia and everywhere in between.

On the other hand you are the most irrelevant person possible in a discussion about the future of the workforce. You literally have nothing to add here. At least the 40 year old guy I've been going back and forth with still has rubber on the road, and I do think he has some good core principles he goes by.

At 64, you've clearly been in the workforce since before I've been alive. That explains this sort of attitude. No question there are lots of 400 lb. bus drivers who scream at homeless people for a living who think just like you. You must be a thrill at Christmas time...

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Yes, I have talked about Muslims. I have a unique perspective to do so. My father is Muslim. 60 hours a week? Lmao hardly...most weeks I work 35-40. When you are actually focused on what you do while you are at work, you'd find the ability to get an incredible amount of work done in a short period of time. But you wouldn't know anything about that. I'm in a results based business, not a time based business.

Again, you fail to understand basic life principles, probably because you are 26 and stopped learning at the age of 12 or 13. OP is unhappy because he CHOOSES to be unhappy. True happiness is never dependant upon outside influences. Again, based on OPs current mindset, it makes no difference where he works or what he does, he will find a way to be unhappy, because that's the narrative he CHOOSES to write for himself. OP has a horrible self image, no self worth, and doesn't hate all those things, he simply hates himself. No amount of outside influences will ever fix that.

And you do appear good at something, Alice...living in a special kind of Wonderland.

We may have actually found a little common ground with that middle paragraph. You've obviously done OK for yourself and I don't begrudge that beneath all the insults back and forth. But there is another way and it doesn't make a man worthless or lazy, and you're seeing a lot more people fall into a sort of cognitive dissonance because they've been made to feel worthless for thinking this way.

I do think the OP has to be active to overcome his insecurity. You're right in the sense it can't come from an external source without working on what's inside first. I've found that meditation helps a lot - to re-focus, gain awareness, and become your own center of gravity. And one doesn't have to be a Buddhist to explore this either. Maybe it'd help OP

 

[BlueAlpha1]

No, that's the problem in America we diagnose and have people dependent. He needs to go out and try some new things. Stop being a pu$$y and try new things. He is bored with the same routine and too afraid to get out of it.

You would be surprise how good you feel if you did some traveling. Being in a new place or new city really does something to your energy. The dope thing about it is you can go by yourself. Sometimes certain towns or cities can drain your energy. I been there.

This.

Great post on both fronts. Pills are not an answer and only make the problem worse, but travel definitely can be. Going solo is invigorating, but you're never really alone with youth hostels. You meet great people from all over the world. And yes, staying in the same small town with stagnant people everywhere or the converse (a big city which never rests) will suck the soul out of you. Go smell some fresh foreign air.

 

[Tictac]

Well well if it isn't the original chest-beating psychopath attacking people's manhood on an internet forum. If it's one thing your kind can't stand it's a millennial that can match wits with you...you've met your match gramps.

How does it feel knowing that those 90,000 hours you put in over the last 40 years were meaningless and that your life philosophy has become irrelevant in your lifetime?

You were the initial person to take a whack at OP, showing yourself to be a 64 year old man living vicariously through the pain of others in the internet. Then a few people told you what you were - the deranged grandpa at Thanksgiving that everybody just tunes out at this point. Want to know why I say "we"? Notice the affirmations from the people who've chimed in since this thread got hot. At least 3 people have affirmed my thought processes. There are hundreds of millions of young people who feel this way - I know because I've met them during my travels and talked to them. People from Vancouver, to London, to Australia and everywhere in between.

On the other hand you are the most irrelevant person possible in a discussion about the future of the workforce. You literally have nothing to add here. At least the 40 year old guy I've been going back and forth with still has rubber on the road, and I do think he has some good core principles he goes by.

At 64, you've clearly been in the workforce since before I've been alive. That explains this sort of attitude. No question there are lots of 400 lb. bus drivers who scream at homeless people for a living who think just like you. You must be a thrill at Christmas time...

In a battle of wits, you are unarmed.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Try watching Corey Wayne videos. He will go on about PMA and your purpose. It will take time, and is a continuous through out your life, and as some have alluded, maybe talking to a professional might help... what you tell yourself will be what happens to you.

Visualisation REALLY works. It has for me and many more. It takes practice. This year, I got a new job AND new flat. Because I GENUINELY believed both would happen.

If you genuinely believe your life is pointless, well so it will be. Look at the people you hang with and their influence on your attitude.

I've picked a pertinent one out -