Are Younger Women Choosing Older Men More Due to Recession?

[bigneil]

It has occurred to me recently that the women age 20-30 are all realizing that guys their age are never going to provide them with the life they saw on TV. In fact, they are never going to provide them with the life their dad's provided them with. This is the first time in history that a generation knows they will have less than their parents. (My generation X technically had less, but it was the era of credit so most of my peers were duped). The veil of TV has been lifted.

Let me say that I don't pretend to be superior to younger guys just because I had a job at their age. They have it harder than me, no question. Likewise my parents the Baby Boomers had it that much better than I did. A factory worker could have a new house carved out of virgin forest, a stay at home (faithful) wife, 2 kids, 2 cars, and a vacation home without a degree. They were in their prime in 1970-1975, the peak of the inflation-adjusted US dollar (when a man could easily make 1000 ounces of gold (at $35 per ounce) worth of salary per year). I could only make about 100 ounces per year ($80K at $800 per ounce). Now people are lucky to make 20 ounces per year ($26,000 per year at $1300 per ounce).

That said, as an older guy who is bringing home good money (finally, after years of mediocre money during that era of the hang-out, hook-up culture who called $80K "Chump Change"), I'm finding that despite my being older, that much younger women are now considering dating me. I'm not going to pretend I'm better looking now, though I'm healthy.

Have any of the men over age 35 with a comfortable salary noticed that suddenly 22 year olds are available? Have the younger guys found their women dating older men? Or is it just because I am a good tipper?

 

[abe0]

I think it is that and also that some women are tired of dealing with little boys and prefer the maturity of a real man. Abe

 

[In2theGame]

Wait till the Depression hits.

 

[El Payaso]

Younger women have mostly always preferred older men.

 

[Desdinova]

Have any of the men over age 35 with a comfortable salary noticed that suddenly 22 year olds are available?

Ever since I've given my ex-wife the boot, I've dated many women under the age of 30, the youngest being 19. However, I don't think it's from the recession. I'm more of the opinion that today's young men are more feminized than those who are from GenX. Back when I was a teenager, it wasn't cool to be mildly gay, carry a purse, show how delicate our feelings are, etc. We were conditioned to be tough motherfvckers. Today's men are conditioned to be more like women, and women don't want to be fvcking a little girl with a penis.

 

[JustOlder_!]

Ever since I've given my ex-wife the boot, I've dated many women under the age of 30, the youngest being 19. However, I don't think it's from the recession. I'm more of the opinion that today's young men are more feminized than those who are from GenX. Back when I was a teenager, it wasn't cool to be mildly gay, carry a purse, show how delicate our feelings are, etc. We were conditioned to be tough motherfvckers. Today's men are conditioned to be more like women, and women don't want to be fvcking a little girl with a penis.

I get a lot of middle to late 30's and Im late 40's guy........I think a lot of men in the early 30's/20's have a harder time making it in the world and so they don't quite cut it.

 

[Jaylan]

From what I continue to see amongst people my age, is that almost everyone is dating someone within 5 years of their age. Sometimes the man is older, and sometimes the woman is older. I have not see any difference in this since high school. Theres a few people I know here and there who date outside of the 5 year range, but most keep it within a few years. And some folks I know go through a phase of trying out an older fling before going back to mainly people their age. Makes sense though, since most of us tend to relate better to our contemporaries.

Maybe its where I live, but I usually just see young people around other young people. And with regards to finances, I never think of older guys as competition because I see more than enough available young women. And I dont date chicks who put heavy stock in that. If an older dude wants to use cash as a way to lure in young girls...let him do it as I dont like that type of gal anyways. I date women who are attracted mostly by my personality and fitness. Let people use whatever their best attribute is to their greatest advantage.

That all said, I know plenty of guys in their 20s doing just fine cash wise.

 

[bigneil]

Let me guess: Jaylan was the 1 vote for "Women prefer younger men".

A woman dating an older man makes more sense if she wants to have a family. He has resources, is wise about understanding her, and is not controlled by his hormones. Meanwhile, she has youth, beauty and fertility and can deliver many children while always seeming like the prize.

Two bisexual 31 year old bartenders meanwhile, despite their wonderful contemporary relations, don't have many options which is why there are fewer and fewer (parent supported) American kids in the US.

In Austin it's like this:

Women in their 40's - They act like a beaten dog. Clearly, there are not enough options for them. Very pretty women seem shut down.

Women in their 30's - They want guys exactly their age or younger. They grew up at a time when life was good enough that they could pretend. Most of them were bisexual and had HPV by the time their were 21 due to the "hang out, hook up culture". Now that they are older they sure as hell don't want to date guys in their 40's. Hence, they are on food stamps.

Women in their 20's - They have absolutely no problem dating guys twice their age, because all their friends are doing it. Girls born 1988-1993 (and there are TONS of them compared to Generation X) have finally come on the market and filled the gamut from the year 2000 when there were 6 single men for every woman of childbearing age. This was due to the Baby boomers born 1946-1964 cherry-picking (pardon the pun) the women from Generation X (who could never with the previous generation compete financially). They speak loud and clear against this whole Hollywood Gay push, where every male singer sounds like Boy George.

When I was 18-22, girls my age wanted older men with cars and jobs. When I was 23-32, I dated 18 year olds the whole time, and girls my age said I was a dirty old man. When I was 33-40 I couldn't find a date for the most part, but the girls I did find stayed with me luckily. After 40 I felt 10 years younger due to market conditions changing, and have had girls in their 20's or early 30's ever since.

 

[Jaylan]

^Read my response again. Its clear what I voted.

Dont get frustrated because I gave you an honest assessment of the young people around me. Why ask people a question when clearly all you want is responses that nod along with what you wanna tell yourself? Its clear you simply wanna sing the praises of older guys like yourself, and how much younger women want them. Yes some do...but as most people will tell you, the vast majority of young men and women are dating people in their age group.

If youve always dated women much younger than you, go ahead and have fun doing it. But Im just telling you what the norm is. Plus, lets be real neil (rhymes ), the young women you date are not the kind of women Id be interested in. So why even care what Im saying? You have your market, and I have mine.

 

[bigneil]

I stand corrected Jaylan. But I was talking about changing trends, such as the Cougar trend that came and went. It's trending back the other way.

In the past 36 hours I had 3 girls begging me to take them out. Ages 21, 25 and 27. Two of them even called at midnight, one each of the last two nights. I have to choose which one to see today (21). Why aren't they calling guys age 21, 25 and 27? Because those guys have no job #1, and I can take all 3 of them in a fight (probably combined) #2. While younger men probably don't like it, at least they have hope for the future!

You always come back to the basics.

Note, I'm new in this city and this is the first time I had this many, but that's always how it goes with women. They only want the guy other girls like, so you go from 0 to infinite options.

 

[Jaylan]

^Younger men dont like it?

OK, again let me say, lets be real neil. These women wouldnt happen to be the stripper, bartender, and pornstar you mentioned in a previous thread would they? Because you have a habit of dating women like this. So if my assumption is correct, trust me when I say younger men are not bothered at all. Those women arent at the top of a lot of guys list as girls they would date. And personally, I wouldnt even talk to such women because their dating/sexual life is likely highly incompatible with mine.

Also, you keep talking about the resources you have. Typically, a young guy whos not ready to settle down, does not wanna date a woman sizing him up based on what he can provide her. And to be honest, Im 27 and remember vividly what dating was like for me from 18 to 26. I dated women in my age group, and they cared about us hanging out and having fun, not me doing the traditional taking them out thing. So as long as I had a car, and could pay my own way...I wasnt hindered.

All in all, the reality is that there are a lot of young attractive women to go around. Plus, a fair number of young dudes arent hung up on numbers and will date an attractive woman whos older than him. So we all have our dating pools.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Are Younger Women Choosing Older Men More Due to Recession?

Nope. It's because older men are far better at knowing how women work. It's just a fact of life. Age and experience (when applied properly) beat youth every, single time.

 

[zekko]

Women have always gone for older men, it's nothing new. And by that I don't mean that every young girl will choose a much older man, but it's certainly a common scenario, and always has been.

 

[skinnyguy]

I'm 32 and dating a 20 year old HB. I'm high value to her because I have a job and a nice car. I'm just an average joe to a 30 year old woman

 

[bigneil]

^Younger men dont like it?
And to be honest, Im 27.

Wait, weren't you 27 back in 2011 also? Why isn't your age published, since you're so honest about your age? I guess it's a woman's prerogative to withhold her age.

...and remember vividly what dating was like for me from 18 to 26. I dated women in my age group, and they cared about us hanging out and having fun, not me doing the traditional taking them out thing.

Wow - you remember last year vividly? And I'm glad you(r men) didn't have to do the traditional thing and have a job. Or pay.

This morning the 27 year old girl called me (the 1 of 3 who hadn't called at midnight over the past two nights) and (of course) wanted to come over. She took a taxi here and spent the day in a bikini and I interviewed her on this subject. She said "Guys my age are ridiculous. They're like 'I'm going to be a rock star dude' or 'I'm going to be a skateboarder'". She's fed up with "just having fun".

"She just wants to be able to have babies and not have to work a full time job also. That isn't being a Gold digger. That's being a woman". I'm quoting my Grandmother who married a man 13 years older than her and had 10 kids and 25 grandkids.

Well... off to take the 21 year old who I met Saturday night out. (And Jaylan, with these girls being HB8 and HB9 that compete with girls who look like Pet of the Year, you can bet men their age want them). They'll say 'He's an old man' (not to my face because I'm stronger, proving them wrong). They'll say 'She's using him for money' and 'He's using her for sex'). It's called sour grapes, but Jaylan is saying they won't care. Because Jaylan (being a woman in her 30's) doesn't care about hot raunchy women and she thinks she can reprogram men not to by posting feminist views while posing as a man here. Nothing gets to her worse than knowing men in their 20's don't want her anymore!

Sure, men don't value strippers. They only pay $20 a minute.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Men are accumulating money All throughout their lives, so naturally, their value is going up and up and up. Women are Born with beauty (their money) and are losing it all throughout their lives. Once she hits 20, she loses 10% of that 100% bargaining chip each year after that. Throw in a baby or 2 and you can add 10 years to that loss...31 year old woman with a baby is more like a 41 year old woman. She's shriveled and fading fast, then she's like "oh fvck"...ok...the government owes me, the state owes me "as if" I was still 20 and beautiful!

Yes, I've noticed all girls who know my net worth or career path and how long I've been at it ("oh, he's must to have accumulated A LOT of wealth if he's been at his current job for x number of years!"). Yes, I've noticed, and I'm certainly not as good-looking as I was even 2 years ago, my looks are fading fo sho, I'll admit it. This last year, starting at 37, I've started the decline. Nice to know that a lot of guys start declining facially earlier. I've made it a long way on good looks with women, but now, I most certainly will begin relying more and more on my dough. I don't believe looks will miraculously start getting better as gravity has its way. It could wrinkle, crack, and sag in a sexy way, but I highly doubt it will.

I work the MAX number of hours these days, because, I feel much better each week knowing that I'm accumulating more and more instead of being lazy, like I could do, and pass up work, or take a day off here and there, no, just keep accumulating that little extra Every week and before you know your accounts will make you proud of your accomplishments and for putting in the extra effort every week, for your own future well-being. You never know if you'll have to take a plane trip for a funeral, or have a sickness that keeps you from work, and on and on, so when you can and are able, be sure to make as much dough as you possibly can While you can. Also, utilities are getting ridiculous, as well has My trash bill has doubled in just 4 years, then food (being sold for the same price in lower quantities deception), phone bill (always some new line-item being added) as well as cable bill (ends up being $20 more than the package quote price), car maintenance. I really don't understand how Anyone affords a $400K house, even more so a 600K house, but they are being built and bought all the time by average Joes, i.e. people who make less than me I'd imagine (they must have a trust fund or inheritance or something, I just don't see how there are That many 500K houses swirlin about, just doesn't make sense).

 

[Jaylan]

Wait, weren't you 27 back in 2011 also? Why isn't your age published, since you're so honest about your age? I guess it's a woman's prerogative to withhold her age.

I was 24 the summer I joined. I dont need to post my age. I told you it, so take it or leave it.

Nice job going the immature route of trying to take a dig at me though. Why are you getting butthurt over my sharing of what I see in the world around me? Why does that bother you so much? No ones attacked you here, so calm down.

Wow - you remember last year vividly? And I'm glad you(r men) didn't have to do the traditional thing and have a job. Or pay.

Youre so damn pathetic dude. Are you really that upset that a guy had a very different dating life from you? Are you that emotional about the fact that I see most people paired off with people in their age group?

Why the fvk does it bother you that I never had to use resources to date women? Why do you need to try and insult me because women picked me without much regard for resources? Its pretty normal for many women 18 to 26 to date men their age, and have lower standards with regard to the money he makes.

In college most kids arent working, and those that are barely make any cash. It seems to bother you that Im sharing this experience and letting other men know that I was able to get laid without traditional dating or resources. All I needed was a car and a little spending cash for hanging out. I say this and you try to insult me. Pathetic.

This morning the 27 year old girl called me (the 1 of 3 who hadn't called at midnight over the past two nights) and (of course) wanted to come over. She took a taxi here and spent the day in a bikini and I interviewed her on this subject. She said "Guys my age are ridiculous. They're like 'I'm going to be a rock star dude' or 'I'm going to be a skateboarder'". She's fed up with "just having fun".

Ok...then have fun dating a girl whos sick of dating young guys. What do you get out of dating a girl whos rushing to you only after shes had her fill of men her own age? Why are you bragging about these girls, and trying to bash me or other younger men while praising older guys?

Btw, which one was she? The stripper, the porn star, or the bar tender? I ask because like I said before...young guys dont mind that you date those kind of young women. Yet earlier you said young dudes would be bothered by your options. What I see though is a guy whos trying to uplift himself, put down young guys, and tell us how jealous we should be. Like I said before, theres plenty of young women to go around...and we dont mind who you date.

"She just wants to be able to have babies and not have to work a full time job also. That isn't being a Gold digger. That's being a woman". I'm quoting my Grandmother who married a man 13 years older than her and had 10 kids and 25 grandkids.

So basically you got a gal who wants to sit at home...and decided shes gonna seek out an older guy to be her provider, because shes sick of the young guys. Tell me again why you were bragging about young girls like this wanting you?

I wouldnt even want to settle down with a woman who doesnt wanna work at all, let alone someone whos coming after me after shes doing fooling around in the field.

Well... off to take the 21 year old who I met Saturday night out. (And Jaylan, with these girls being HB8 and HB9 that compete with girls who look like Pet of the Year, you can bet men their age want them). They'll say 'He's an old man' (not to my face because I'm stronger, proving them wrong). They'll say 'She's using him for money' and 'He's using her for sex'). It's called sour grapes, but Jaylan is saying they won't care. Because Jaylan (being a woman in her 30's) doesn't care about hot raunchy women and she thinks she can reprogram men not to by posting feminist views while posing as a man here. Nothing gets to her worse than knowing men in their 20's don't want her anymore!

Sure, men don't value strippers. They only pay $20 a minute.

Again, no one cares about your options. Youre the one assuming everyone cares so much about the women youre drawn to. And no, a man does not value strippers, especially not most young guys. Thats simply throw away sex we seek to get from them. Plus, given the stripper profession, a lot of guys dont even wanna risk the drama or health risk of dating or banging such a woman.

I cant believe you got so butthurt and upset over what is a well known fact in the dating world (most people dating their contemporaries). I didnt insult you, or call you out of your name, yet you immaturely decide to go that route. Seriously dude, why the fvk are you so upset?

Why are you so concerned what young men, or what women think of your dating options? Are you that insecure? I simply corrected you on your assumptions of what us young men supposedly think about the women you date.

You want me to lie to you and stroke your ego? Nope not gonna happen. You kept putting young dudes down...talking about how we have no resources (some do, some dont), saying how much younger women prefer you and that youre a better option (some do, but most want men their age), and then you went on to say how young men are bothered by who you date (far from true).

Fact of the matter is, it seems youre not secure enough in the quality of women youre dating. And you seem to be seeking validation from other men that youve got quality women. I said before that if youre enjoying your dating life, have fun. But you kept coming with the putdowns and assumptions. Then you wanna get mad when I share the fact that in my young life, I didnt need resources to attract young attractive women. Youre upset that I share the truth of what I see around me...which is people dating folks around their age.

Whats the issue bro? Believe what you want. Enjoy the women you date. But dont think young bros are envying the kind of women you usually date. I like hot women as much as the next guy, but I want a hot women thats high quality. And I dont see strippers as that. I wouldnt even get into a FWB arrangement with such a woman. For me, a high quality woman is an attractive woman, with a good head on her shoulders, a respectable job, and someone with long term potential.

 

[Jaylan]

Check out Neil's post from his recent thread. Im compelled to share this, in order to shed some perspective onto this topic.

Of course. I've slept with at least 20 girls who were strippers (I paid 3). I have got 15 strippers phone numbers in the past 2.5 years. I dated at least 5 of them for free, in 4 different cities and 3 states. I always get so many phone numbers that I have to avoid some of them. I date about 50/50 strippers and non-strippers.

I get the number in 90% of table dances I get (in the other 10% I don't ask). About 5% of the time I get a fake number.

If you are talking about just having sex with them, $300+tip is what it costs for immediate sex if you are good looking. $500 if you are average. That gets old in a hurry. This thread wasn't about that. This is about finding the one girl in the strip bar who is actually worth dating. Are you saying NO strippers are worth dating? Are you saying giving her $100 is too much? It depends on what you earn. I make $95 per hour so an hours pay is nothing.


They still pay cover, parking, valet, drinks and tips, and probably spend hours there. I only spend 30 minutes there, specifically tell them not to dance, and come out with 2 phone numbers (one being the waitress). And the blow routine leads to c*ke d*ck.

Honestly dude, this explains it all. I think you are very, very stuck on money and status. And you use this to get young hot thangs. Which is all well and good, but I feel a guy who has the obvious resources you appear to possess, would be better served attracting and dating higher quality women.

This isnt meant to slight you, but it looks as if you put these low quality stripper chicks on a pedestal and then use money to get attention and sex. Seriously bro, a site like this should have you wanting to aim higher. Is it no wonder that most of the guys in that thread werent on board with you?

Also, the main reason I decided to highlight the type of women you date, is because it conflicts with the main idea of your OP. If you consistently date strippers, and generally toss money at them...how does this relate to most men here, and the regular women most of us date? Itd be obvious to most of us that the type of women you date will be drawn to a guy with money, regardless of your age or her own age.

The reality is that guys can be very thrifty and still get sexy women...which is something men in that other thread told you. And based on that thread, it seems you have a very different perception of how much it costs to live comfortably or date women. Its not as expensive as you make it out to be.

 

[bigneil]

You know someone has issues when they feel a need to research your prior posts and try to present some case against you. However, the forum has this thing called reputation that already addresses that, factoring everyone's views of every post, and my reputation is higher than Jaylan's (who genuinely seems to eschew money and status).

I worked my arse off for the past 16 years to get ahead (since I was the age Jaylan pretends to be), starting businesses, filing patents, and carrying a suitcase around in the cold until I begged God for a better life. As a side job, I researched health diets to the point where I published 60 articles on the subject, using my own body as proof. I am just as strong and healthy as I was when I started.

It's called working hard to achieving something in life. Believe it or not, women take notice. You should try it sometime instead of finding creative ways to justify your general lack of ambition and convenient, self-serving celebration of mediocrity. When you do, you can sure as hell bet you won't say it's the same as having sat around and done nothing.

Now that I sacrificed these 16 years to achieve something (imagine) I need to find a young wife if I want to have my own family. Yet some of these lazy bums who haven't worked 1/10 as hard think I'm supposed to just retire because it's the fair thing for me to give them the girls, and because the things I achieved are only "material". But I'll keep taking young guy's women until they become man enough to kick my ass. It hasn't happened yet.


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Last night I took out the 21 year old.

While I liked the 27 year old much better in the end, one thing I found shocking was this: when the 21 year old discussed dating a 29 year old. I was imagining myself at 29, and how much more mature and accomplished I was than a 21 year old. But she was describing the 29 year old guy (8 years older than her) exactly the way the 27 year old did: Unemployed, with no ambition, and hoping that SHE would pay for their dinners! By the time I was 29 I was a self-made dot-com millionaire worth $4M. I ended up bankrupt but forged ahead and am still working on the same product 15 years later.

Also, this girl was way too young. She was super affectionate but it drew strange looks from some other attractive women. I don't want a girl that much younger.

Side note - as I age I find it harder and harder to distinguish between youth and beauty. Often girls who are really not that pretty appear attractive only because they are younger. A person their own age meanwhile can judge her within a tenth of a percentile accuracy. Remember back in 9th grade when some girl would blossom, but you still thought of them as that girl with coke-bottle glasses from 2nd grade? An older guy can't tell the difference. We lose something in that process.

 

[bigneil]

Great point PoonaniMaker about inflation. +1.

"He who does not move forward falls behind."

-Unknown