Women Are Lease Agreements, Not Finance Agreements

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I wanted to open up a discussion about the current marketplace of women in 2015, hopefully this will spark a good debate with a lot of quality information presented.

Overall, here's my thesis statement, "Women in 2015 as a holistic majority, see Men as disposable utility rather than as a foundation to build with forever (establishing a family tree). As a result, for the majority of Men, their encounters with women will be temporary lease agreements rather than buy/finance agreements."


Disposable Utility

Disposable utility is equivalent to an appliance, or a car, or a very good laptop computer. You love the item when it performs the way you prefer, when it goes at the speed, efficiency, quality, etc., that you were looking for it to go. But you hate the item once it either starts to break down or do any other type of malfunctions that don't align with what you preferred.

If an appliance had a soul, a brain and consciousness, when it's "owner" selected it then it would be happy and proud that it was selected over the other appliances because that must mean that it's the better choice (the alpha of the group). And while it's true that the appliance might have been the better choice, the criteria that determined it's hierarchy was solely based on:

- What it could DO for the owner

- How LONG it could do it for the owner

- How LONG the owner wanted the benefits/features that it performed before they would want to update to a "better" model (equipment obsolescence)

If you notice with these three listings, the length of time the appliance is with the owner, used by the owner and loved by the owner, is pretty much out of its control for the most part. At any time, the owner could perceive another model to be "better" and instead opt to select that one and leave the old appliance hanging off to the wayside.


Preferred Method - The Lease Agreement

My thesis and theory is that Women select and manage the Men in their lives today (from a dating standpoint) as only appliances that are selected for their present-day utility (happiness). Their utility desires and goals can change at any moment, and once they change, the appliance that they selected might no longer be the optimal one for them.

As a result of this, I believe that most men should see women as temporary "lease" agreements rather than "buy/finance" agreements.

Coming back to the equipment/appliance example, when an appliance experiences a high amount of equipment obsolescence, it's always recommended to lease said equipment rather than buying it, due to the fact that the owner isn't going to keep the equipment "forever".

As a result, if Men today in 2015 are going to properly address this market of women, they would only see women as temporary lease agreements and not put themselves into any foolish situations of a buy/finance agreement which doesn't line up to the bulk of the marketplace.

What does this mean?

#1.) Do not enter into a Marriage contract. That's a buy/finance agreement, which means you are saying that you will be "kept" forever. That's a very delusional stance to take with today's market. You might be kept forever, but there's a high chance you will not be kept forever. Thus, it's better to only lease, which in this case is to only enter into DATING structures with women but no Marriage structures. A date is a temporary lease agreement.

#2.) Manage your lease costs. Remember, we aren't buying here, so we want to structure the lease costs to be lower overall than if we were to buy. This means limit your movie, restaurant, bowling and other paid dating situations and try to focus more on free (but still quality) dates such as romantic walks in the park, a nice setup at your apartment (with your lakefront patio), a nice sit down in quality place that doesn't cost anything, etc.

#3.) Manage your asset benefits. Women can be assets if managed properly, the only assets they can provide overall are sex and companionship benefits which are true assets. So your goal is to manage your lease costs while maximizing on the assets that can be derived from the women during the temporary lease agreement.

#4.) If you must make children, try to do it with a foreign woman if possible, or if you must do it with an American woman, try to get your Attorney pro-actively involved with the situation so that you will be covered under any circumstance going forward with the woman once/if she attempts to screw you out of fathering, parenting or having custody over your child(ren).

#5.) Last but not least, remember, you are only leasing, so there's no need to fall in love with the equipment. The equipment will only be "yours" for maybe one week, one month, one year, 3 years, 5 years, or maybe even 10 years, but there's a very LOW CHANCE that the equipment will be yours forever. So don't fall in love with the equipment, just manage the lease costs and maximize the benefits of the equipment before it's time to "turn it back in" and pick out another unit.
 

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Another good one Tenacity. Your stuff is always spot on.
 

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I wanted to bump this thread. As you guys know I also have a thread going which is my "Anger" thread. I told Live Your Dream (LYD) that I would be updating that Anger thread but instead, I might as well just bump this one. Because I think I'm finally SETTLING in on my structure with women going forward which is what this thread is about in terms of the mentality.

I just don't think women will be more than entertainment (sex and companionship) for me. The concept and "dream" of looking for this special UNICORN of a woman just doesn't exist or at least up until this point, I haven't met her. My plan now is what it's always been, continuing to meet women in mass like I have been doing and spin plates. If the unicorn pops up, fine....I'll do the children creation (still will never sign a marriage contract)...if she doesn't, I will remain in my Forever Bachelor stance.

If I don't find her by 50, I'm getting my vasectomy. 50 is the MAX age, but I could go forward with the vasectomy as early as age 45, which is just about 12 years from now seeing as though I'm turning 33 on August 5th. I didn't do the vasectomy last year because I thought it was too soon. But it will be done between 45 - 50 no matter if kids are created or not, because at age 50 that's my cue to say I will not create any kids or any MORE KIDS.

At the end of the day, it's not like I WANT kids or anything. I quite honestly enjoy the freedom and life I have right now. I just thought it would be cool to have someone to pass my wealth down to. But again, it's not a requirement.

My Anger towards women in general and the market of women have also came down significantly. I've added back my spiritual life and a lot of that resentment is just disappearing. I'm not MAD at women....people are who they are. Some things I can change, some things I can't.

If it's meant to be for me to have kids, I'll find this unicorn before 45 - 50. If not....it's not meant to be and I'm okay with that. I'll still die having left a great legacy in terms of career accomplishments and friends I've made along the way. Also I still will die KNOWING I chased every single one of my passions in life. There will be no regrets.
 

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I think you want children and a family more then you are letting on. At least subconsiously you are mentioning it quite often and providing alot of rationale behind your thoughts on it. And that's fine not judging you bro because I can recognize it as I am the exact same way. A big part of me is wanting that dream girl and dream family, but I realize that you cant just blame women. Women are the exact other side of the coin of us. Modern males are very fked up as well. Hence all these sites dedicated to meeting women..back in the 50's it was much simpler. even tho people have always been fked up, society at that time was setup for the nuclear family.

anyway im rambling now but my point is dont give yourself deadlines or limitations man. Your 33, i think its a little odd your thinking of cutting off your creative juices literally slicing your balls and creating a ritualistic deadline for it. Like fuk all that bro dont even think about it. Thats a self defeating attitude in a way...I feel like you have possibly given up on true actual love maybe, which I dont think you should do that if thats the case.

I do agree with everything else though, unfortunately dating is like fast food nowadays. its literally the war of the sexes out here in our modern era. relationships have expiration dates. i learned that its like fishing, catch an release. And either you are the fish or the fisherman. IDK its tough. We are in the same age range and i am single with no children as well..nothing to lose but everything to gain at this point.

I am following scarface philosophy...when u get the money you get the power an when you get the power you get the woman...you gotta make your own moves. realest **** he ever spoke.
 

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I think you want children and a family more then you are letting on.
I honestly don't know. It's kind of like being a 16 year old and wanting to make "a lot of money". Yeah, yeah, I know about the good things that making a lot of money brings, but at 16 what I'm NOT looking at is all of the consequences of working long hours, having to complete undergrad and graduate degrees, having to always be innovative, having to critically think, dealing with stress/depression from customers, vendors, managers, etc.

I really don't know if I want kids or not. I can think of the good things, but I really don't have a grasp for all of the bad things.

But with that being said, I have to put a age limit in place. I can't be making kids at 52. My plan is to RETIRE. When I turn 60, I'm winding down everything I have in place so by 62 I'm officially "in retirement mode" until I leave this Earth. No way in hell do I want to be chasing behind some 10 year old or having to deal with a 13 - 17 year old teenager in my 60's when I'm supposed to be taking it easy. No way in hell.

The real age limit is 40, which is 7 years from now. I believe it will still take the kid(s) until around 24 - 26 to become stable, but when I'm 60 they will be 20 and in college somewhere. I might have to pitch in to help out financially here or there, but I'm not chasing some 10 year old kid around the house that's for sure. And I'm damn sure NOT raising any kid(s) that my kid(s) have NOR are they moving the fvck in with me.

For example, if I have a daughter I will drill her on not fvcking thugs, criminals, deadbeats. If she takes her a.ss out there and STILL gets pregnant by a loser, that's HER A.SS. And I mean that shyt. I will seriously cut my daughter the fvck OFF if she goes out and gets pregnant by some fvcking thug.

In my opinion, if I'm going to create 1-2 kids, it's going to need to be within the next 7 years. That vasectomy is getting done around age 45 (50 at the very latest), no matter if the 1-2 kids are created or not.
 

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I think I'm finally SETTLING in on my structure with women going forward...
I respect that you are finding and choosing ways to move forward, and that you are also making choices that you feel honor and serve you.
...people are who they are. Some things I can change, some things I can't.
The words may sound simple to some, but the application of the wisdom behind them, can free one from a life of unmet and projected expectations and resultant hurt. I respect the altitude of this ^^^ perspective and your choosing it.
I'll still die having left a great legacy in terms of career accomplishments and friends I've made along the way. Also I still will die KNOWING I chased every single one of my passions in life.
T, you can have great intensity. It's immense energy. It's powerful. Use it for good in your life (and good in the world.) Focus all that energy into what you want more of. Focus on your passions, goals, what brings you joy, and your life will be abundant in ways you never even imagined. You are onto it. I am rooting you on.
 

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I honestly don't know. It's kind of like being a 16 year old and wanting to make "a lot of money". Yeah, yeah, I know about the good things that making a lot of money brings, but at 16 what I'm NOT looking at is all of the consequences of working long hours, having to complete undergrad and graduate degrees, having to always be innovative, having to critically think, dealing with stress/depression from customers, vendors, managers, etc.

I really don't know if I want kids or not. I can think of the good things, but I really don't have a grasp for all of the bad things.

But with that being said, I have to put a age limit in place. I can't be making kids at 52. My plan is to RETIRE. When I turn 60, I'm winding down everything I have in place so by 62 I'm officially "in retirement mode" until I leave this Earth. No way in hell do I want to be chasing behind some 10 year old or having to deal with a 13 - 17 year old teenager in my 60's when I'm supposed to be taking it easy. No way in hell.

The real age limit is 40, which is 7 years from now. I believe it will still take the kid(s) until around 24 - 26 to become stable, but when I'm 60 they will be 20 and in college somewhere. I might have to pitch in to help out financially here or there, but I'm not chasing some 10 year old kid around the house that's for sure. And I'm damn sure NOT raising any kid(s) that my kid(s) have NOR are they moving the fvck in with me.

For example, if I have a daughter I will drill her on not fvcking thugs, criminals, deadbeats. If she takes her a.ss out there and STILL gets pregnant by a loser, that's HER A.SS. And I mean that shyt. I will seriously cut my daughter the fvck OFF if she goes out and gets pregnant by some fvcking thug.

In my opinion, if I'm going to create 1-2 kids, it's going to need to be within the next 7 years. That vasectomy is getting done around age 45 (50 at the very latest), no matter if the 1-2 kids are created or not.

I feel what your saying..i guess if it happens it happens if not then can always adopt some lil brats haha
 

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There's no such thing as love. The modern woman is a psychotic ape incapable of love. To her you are nothing more than an accessory like her favorite handbag and you will be discarded when you are no longer useful. Best case scenario=you hit it for 2-3 months and then you cut her ass loose. DO NOT MARRY OR HAVE CHILDREN. MGTOW is right. Even if you are stupid enough to get involved with these women she will drop you as soon as a better deal comes along. Bank your money, get a nice place, a nice car, and enjoy being a bachelor.
 

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If I don't find her by 50, I'm getting my vasectomy. 50 is the MAX age, but I could go forward with the vasectomy as early as age 45, which is just about 12 years from now seeing as though I'm turning 33 on August 5th. I didn't do the vasectomy last year because I thought it was too soon. But it will be done between 45 - 50 no matter if kids are created or not, because at age 50 that's my cue to say I will not create any kids or any MORE KIDS.
I think I've mentioned it before... If you did get the vasectomy and you ended up meeting a woman who genuinely wanted to have children with you, she should be the one who pays to have the vasectomy reversed.

Guess what situation I'm in? My current GF has told me that she's willing to sell her home and use the money to pay for the reversal when the day comes that I give her the go-ahead to move in. I'm personally not wanting this anytime soon, and I've let her know that I'm not likely to go that route for at least 5 years. She'll be 27 by then and will be on the verge of what I call the "age of expiry". It's the age when the biological clock starts to tick louder and women get more desperate to have a child. By then, we will have had 5 years together (7 if you count how long she's been "in love" with me) and will have done fairly well in proving herself to me. She will have earned her place in my life, and I shall reward her.
 

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Tenacity,

Interesting perspective on the lease mindset regarding women.

With regard to your thoughts on vasectomy, I agree. I'm 58 and have two kids in their twenties. My opinion is that 45 to 50 is about the maximum age to have kids. I would not want to be dealing with a small children at this stage of my life.

Desdinova,

Are vasectomy reversals more successfully these days? Years ago when I had mine I remember the doc saying they worked in only a small percentage of cases.

-Augustus-
 

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Great analogy. I need to start lurking in this subforum more.
 

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Great post, this really helped me get out of my current needy mentality to have a relationship.

You know, it reminds me of the saying : "If it flies, floats, or f****- rent it."

Well, I already own a boat. It is low maintenance and it was so cheap that if it gets stolen I already got my money's worth. The only way you can have as good a deal with a woman is via this low-investment mentality.
 

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Dear Tenacity,
Sadly I have to agree...The options and assistance enabling Women to fly the coop don't help...fact is, that if you are a Man with a high Sex drive,as most correspondents here tend to be,then unless you are fortunate enough to meet the same in a Woman,or one who is very obliging you are unlikely to have a long marriage...I have tried very hard,just doesn't work...This is why for "the Legion of the lost ones,the cohort of the damned"a philandering lifestyle is the only viable option.
 

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Dear Des,
Couldn't help but respond to your response,suggesting you might consider Fatherhood again...I have just had a few weeks with the daughter of a Plate,she had a child about a month before...a few hours of watching the incredible demands this little sprog put on the couple would convince anyone,who already has Kids,to avoid parenthood at any price...I have helped rear five anklebiters and it is really amazing how much I had forgotten.
 

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My local computer tech told me that modern laptops running Microsoft are good for 2-3 years, tops.
And that the desktops are good for 5-ish years.
IMO, modern American women are either laptops, or desktops. The desktop variety has kids and needs you for them.
I know this is a cold reality, but that's how long it takes before they want variety, and look elsewhere.
The sooner we realize this and buy the same attitude (but cut it shorter), the better.
I think they're good for about six months. This is when the sex goes dry and they start shyt testing. Bailing time.
Hardcore? Yes, but it's that kind of world. Reality.
 
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