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The new trophy wife (or girlfriend): Alpha-Women

Would you consider dating an Alpha Woman?

  • Yes, without a problem: It's about time that women start pulling their own weight!

    Votes: 59 51.8%
  • Yes but: She shouldn't make more than me, she'll probably become a feminazi if she made more than me

    Votes: 8 7.0%
  • Yes: As long as I can be a house husband and play X-Box all day!

    Votes: 10 8.8%
  • No way!: A woman with such credentials probably wouldn't have time for a relationship or can't keep

    Votes: 17 14.9%
  • No: It's a man's place to be the primary bread winner.

    Votes: 12 10.5%
  • No: I want to date a woman who believes her place is in the home.

    Votes: 8 7.0%

  • Total voters
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Francisco d'Anconia

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I was talking to a woman friend (yeah she's a prospect) the other day and she told me something that made me pause and really consider it. She said that you can tell a lot about a man by the type of woman he dates. I always knew this about women but I hadn't considered that it holds true for us guys too.

We've all heard about guys who had trophy wives; basically men with tons of money and nothing else; they attach themselves to HBs that are usually gold diggers without much going for them to use as arm candy. We usually didn't think very highly of those men buy man, did we really appreciate their beautiful wives!

But things have changed with the times. Believe it or not trophy wives have spawned a new category of arm candy; Alpha Women. These are the non-man hating feminist that we'd actually want to date! They have their own high paying careers and are usually leaders in their field. They are highly educated and self assured. They also tend to intimidate the typical male that has old fashioned values and ideas of gender roles.

According to a recent Match.com poll, 48 percent of men (and an equal percentage of women) report dating partners who draw the same income they do. Twenty percent of men report dating women who earn more. I myself have been on a run of meeting highly paid women who are VPs, MDs, PhDs as well as Double-Ds! (haha). But seriously, my buds all ask me if I am intimidated by their credentials. "Well not until you brought it up!!!" But actually I'm one of the lucky guys who's always had an affinity for well read, intellectual women.

Men’s attraction to professionally achieving mates is one piece of a much larger story. We’re experiencing a historic change in the things people want out of a partner. Men in their 20s and 30s embarking on first marriages are relieved to no longer be the sole breadwinner and decision-maker, a burden many watched their fathers shoulder. Here's something to consider; are we possibly redefining masculinity???!!!

It's not only medium income men that want to have second marriages—and affairs—with alpha women, older wealthy men seems to be gravitating to alpha women too. Older men now want the most impressive achiever in the office. In the eyes of a mens peers, the woman with the career and degrees counts for more than Miss America! It seems as if status is attached to a woman who is successful, not to a woman with a perfectly pear-shaped @ss!

So here's my question for you to consider; do you have a preference between choosing a partner with traditional gender values or one that is more progressive and can hold her own?
 
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Hah, why be scared of girls with brains?! I love women who can hold a convo and actually make me think... however this sometimes does get you into trouble if you decide to play shady with her..she usually asks the right questions and you either lie your ass off (guilty) or just break her heart...

She can make more money than me, she can have a nicer car and a job, she can play xbox better than me, all that matters is when i am having sex with her she knows it is ME who dominates. Pretty much similar standard for a relationship as well... since my first GF i havent let women turn me into a boy toy... honestly i dont think this is unfair either..
 

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I would date such a women. Heck, I am currently with an Alpha Woman I think. Wow, I got a trophy

Both lawyers, both in the same practice area and she even has a leg up in some areas, she makes the same cash as me.

She's not as artsy as I am (I was a classics major) but she's enthusistic about what she reads, and she always loves to have a good time. She could hold a convo with a brick.

She's a gamer, and she comes from humble beginnings so she doesn't have any snobbery.

She's ruthless with financial care and abhors debt.

She's neat but not too neat, and she's just as happy drinking beer as ripping up a kitchen floor.

She works hard but she also knows when to stop, and she's got enthusiasm that you could feed off.

And she's kinky too
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia


I myself have been on a run of meeting highly paid women who are VPs, MDs, PhDs as well as Double-Ds! (haha). But seriously, my buds all ask me if I am intimidated by their credentials. "Well not until you brought it up!!!" But actually I'm one of the lucky guys who's always had an affinity for well read, intellectual women.

Men’s attraction to professionally achieving mates is one piece of a much larger story. We’re experiencing a historic change in the things people want out of a partner. Men in their 20s and 30s embarking on first marriages are relieved to no longer be the sole breadwinner and decision-maker, a burden many watched their fathers shoulder. Here's something to consider; are we possibly redefining masculinity???!!!

I cannot belive what've you just said: "Men’s attraction to professionally achieving mates "...where did you get that?
What kind of guy would be attracted to a successful woman if she doesn't look good?

I seriously doubt that there is a correlation between MDs, PhDs
and brains. I have seen tons of dumb MDs, PhDs: can't hold a convo, interest include gym, sports on TV and beer.

Those degrees are more about hard work...time, energy.. which just narrows her. She becomes a professional who doesn't give a shyt about anything besides her stressuful job which is "oh so rewarding".

Does any one fine anything attractive about her status?
The answer is no.
If at the same time it happens she is cute, smart and can hold a convo - yes, she is worht out attention.

By itself high status is a turn off: we all know women marry up , if you are in a relationship with high status woman, from a common sense point of view this relationship is destined to be short.

Does really anyone wants a short relationship? If yes, then sure high status women might be fun to date for some short period of time.
 

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Re: Re: The new trophy wife (or girlfriend): Alpha-Women

Originally posted by al77
I cannot belive what've you just said: "Men’s attraction to professionally achieving mates "...where did you get that?
What kind of guy would be attracted to a successful woman if she doesn't look good?

I seriously doubt that there is a correlation between MDs, PhDs
and brains. I have seen tons of dumb MDs, PhDs: can't hold a convo, interest include gym, sports on TV and beer.
Interesting, but I never said anything about forgoing looks. But I'm curious on why you feel that an educated or successful woman by default is physically unattractive?

What you don't understand about the post is that it is about status, how they prove their worth by their accomplishments. Men do it all the time. There are men that have degrees but can not hold a conversation, so what's the difference?
 

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Hell yes

I'd certainly date an "Alpha Woman."

All in all, I have a preference for one, as long as she has a decent balance between work and play. Especially if we would intend to breed. I'd certainly want those sort of genes, especially for male children.
 

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Re: Re: Re: The new trophy wife (or girlfriend): Alpha-Women

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Interesting, but I never said anything about forgoing looks. But I'm curious on why you feel that an educated or successful woman by default is physically unattractive?

What you don't understand about the post is that it is about status, how they prove their worth by their accomplishments. Men do it all the time. There are men that have degrees but can not hold a conversation, so what's the difference?
You are right, I am sorry: it was not very clear.
Let take looks out of the equestion by this:
Imagine two women, with exactly "identical" looks. But one has PhD in "rocket science" from MIT and the other one just got her humble associate degree somewhere in bumpkinsville.

Who would you choose?

.. after some thinking, I realized a good job (i.e. money) would qualify for accomplishment much more.
So again: two "identical" gals, one sells clothes, the other one is on the top of the ladder as CEO of something. Who would you choose?

It is obvious for me that PhD-CEO gal will eventually want somebody is of her level or higher: she wants to marry up! And once she realizes that, she will get a new, more accomplished bf.
So too unequal relationship usually lead nowhere....
 

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Re: Hell yes

Originally posted by Bonhomme
I'd certainly date an "Alpha Woman."

All in all, I have a preference for one, as long as she has a decent balance between work and play. Especially if we would intend to breed. I'd certainly want those sort of genes, especially for male children.
Just curious: what makes you think she would want to marry down instead of marry up (as all most women prefer)? Or date down\date up if we are talking only about dating?

It is like if you ask me, 5'10'' guy "would you want to date a nice 6'0'' gal?"
Yes, sure... but I have no illusions regarding her long term goals, she wants somebody taller then her, unless a man can compensate it with something really incredible: tons of money for example. So do I want to date a gal who may seek only a short term relationship witn me? No, not really - why bother?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The new trophy wife (or girlfriend): Alpha-Women

Originally posted by al77
You are right, I am sorry: it was not very clear.
Let take looks out of the equestion by this:
Imagine two women, with exactly "identical" looks. But one has PhD in "rocket science" from MIT and the other one just got her humble associate degree somewhere in bumpkinsville.

Who would you choose?

.. ....
That reminds me of this Joke:

There is a rich man who has three girlfriends, but he does not know which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it.

The first one goes out and gets a total makeover with the money. She gets new clothes, a new hairdo, manicure, pedicure, the works, and tells the man, "I spent the money so I could look pretty for you because I love you so much."

The second one went out and bought new golf clubs, a CD player, a television, and a stereo and gives them to the man. She says, "I bought these gifts for you with the money because I love you so much."

The third one takes the $5000 and invests it in the stock market, doubles her investment, returns the $5000 to the man and reinvests the rest. She says, "I am investing the rest of the money for our future because I love you so much."

The man thought long and hard about how each of the women spent the money and decided to marry the one with the biggest breasts. :crackup:
 

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Originally posted by DJDamage
That reminds me of this Joke:

There is a rich man who has three girlfriends, but he does not know which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it.

The man thought long and hard about how each of the women spent the money and decided to marry the one with the biggest breasts. :crackup:
The problem is women want to marry up, not down.
If she has PhD, you need to have something at least similar..if she earns $100k your meagery $50K won't let you get her.
Dating - yes. (You pay for dinner and give her lots of attention)
Anything long term? Unlikely.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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I don't mind dating women who earn more than me.

I just wouldn't necessarily marry them.


But how do you guys find out how much she earns? I mean, do you ask? "Oh nice dress, by the way, what's your yearly income?"
 

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Originally posted by al77
The problem is women want to marry up, not down.
If she has PhD, you need to have something at least similar..if she earns $100k your meagery $50K won't let you get her.
Dating - yes. (You pay for dinner and give her lots of attention)
Anything long term? Unlikely.
But why would an Alpha Woman NEED to marry up? What would they gain? I would even question their need to marry laterally. Typically these type of go after and get what they want.

Most men are intimidated by these women and also sell themselves short and wouldn't consider approaching these women. I've found that if you have a healthy ego and forgo comparing your status to theirs, a lot of them are actually very worthy.

Now compare these professional women to the so called wh0res that everyone has been b1tching about as of late. These wh0res are gold diggers who have nothing other than their looks so they treat their beauty as a commodity since they have nothing else to offer. So they look for guys willing to literally pay for that beauty.

Alpha women in contrast do not need anyone to take care of them. Hell, my ex-gf actually bought a huge home on her own in hopes of landing a keeper (which wasn't me - whew). So now I am seeing this doctor; who ended up buying a huge home in hopes of landing a keeper.

I'm realizing that it's becoming common place to find capable women that have everything they could ever want; except a man that has the fortitude to appreciate what they have without intimidation. Unfortunately it seems as if only men with their own fortunes aren't intimidated by them.
 

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Originally posted by al77
You are right, I am sorry: it was not very clear.
Let take looks out of the equestion by this:
Imagine two women, with exactly "identical" looks. But one has PhD in "rocket science" from MIT and the other one just got her humble associate degree somewhere in bumpkinsville.

Who would you choose?

.. after some thinking, I realized a good job (i.e. money) would qualify for accomplishment much more.
So again: two "identical" gals, one sells clothes, the other one is on the top of the ladder as CEO of something. Who would you choose?

It is obvious for me that PhD-CEO gal will eventually want somebody is of her level or higher: she wants to marry up! And once she realizes that, she will get a new, more accomplished bf.
So too unequal relationship usually lead nowhere....
You're using logic again, we're talking about women so it doesn't apply. :p

Question: Have you EVER met two women that you were attracted to that were identical? (excluding the appearance of identical twins) It'll never happen.

Women who are actually open to having a viable "emotional" relationship with a guy seldom cares about the monetary side of things. BEFORE PEOPLE START FLAMING, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE CARES MORE ABOUT WHO YOU ARE OVER WHAT YOU HAVE!!!

These types of women are out there and there are those that are quite attractive too. The problem guys typically have is that they have their predefined filter of their general perception of women. Whatever their reason, they see women as absolutes. Consider this, if women were absolute guys wouldn't have the types of problems that we do with them.

But back to your question about which woman I would choose if I did come across two that were identical?

The one that swallows. :D
 

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Why marry up? You know the answer - instinct to get a better male provider. She doesn't want to gain anything.. she just follows her instinct.

It is actually very simple: If you want just to date her, and want no LTR of any kind - sure, A-women should be fun.
If you want a woman for a long term, A-woman will not agree do marry down....the instinc is much strong than any kind of logic.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
I don't mind dating women who earn more than me.

I just wouldn't necessarily marry them.


But how do you guys find out how much she earns? I mean, do you ask? "Oh nice dress, by the way, what's your yearly income?"
I have yet to ask, however it's been offered by several women when they are qualifying themselves. They don't outright tell me their income but between them describing their jobs and seeing their homes and playthings, I can guess that they have means. Plus, the ones I've met aren't pretentious about their wealth; maybe that only happens when she is of 'old money.'

It does help when you have some idea of the earnings of a particular career. I just went out with a woman who works in the medical field (in Canada) as a Lactation Counselor. I have NO fvcking idea how much they make, especially in Canada.

Anyway, "Got Milk?"
 

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Originally posted by al77
Why marry up? You know the answer - instinct to get a better male provider. She doesn't want to gain anything.. she just follows her instinct.

It is actually very simple: If you want just to date her, and want no LTR of any kind - sure, A-women should be fun.
If you want a woman for a long term, A-woman will not agree do marry down....the instinc is much strong than any kind of logic.
But if she was actually following her "female instinct," she wouldn't have a career other than trying to find a husband that would only want her to be barefoot and pregnant. These women are anything but typical in their actions.

By the way, how many Alpha Women have you dated?
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
But if she was actually following her "female instinct," she wouldn't have a career other than trying to find a husband that would only want her to be barefoot and pregnant. These women are anything but typical in their actions.

By the way, how many Alpha Women have you dated?
it is not really clear what you want to say: yeah they are atypical now, but they are getting more "typical" everyday. So what?

They follow not only the instinc but also follow greed, the rules of society - it is cool for a woman to get a degree? I'll get one. Cool to make a lot of money? I'll get an awesome job. They dont even really know why they do it, becasue things wont make her happy as much as marriage would. In this can society did a poor job by telling women to get a better education and a better job. They did, but they dont feel they became more happy.

Didn't actually date any high paid doctors\laywers, but most of my dates earned _significantly_ more than I did (time more). And (partially because of it) it went nowhere...
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies

But how do you guys find out how much she earns? I mean, do you ask? "Oh nice dress, by the way, what's your yearly income?"
Observe her ambitions. Her dress. Ask what she does for work..when she is talking about it, ask how much her boss makes.
You'll get the picture.
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Women who are actually open to having a viable "emotional" relationship with a guy seldom cares about the monetary side of things. BEFORE PEOPLE START FLAMING, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE CARES MORE ABOUT WHO YOU ARE OVER WHAT YOU HAVE!!!

These types of women are out there and there are those that are quite attractive too. The problem guys typically have is that they have their predefined filter of their general perception of women. Whatever their reason, they see women as absolutes. Consider this, if women were absolute guys wouldn't have the types of problems that we do with them.
Absolutely. There is just one thing: women wants to get into a relationhsip with a guy from at least their own "status" class.
Ok, even if it happens and a rich female lawyer fell in love with a handsome janitor...yes, it does happen.. how long do you think their relationship will last? Does it have any future?

This is my point - yes, everything is possible. But the question is - does it have a potential?
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
..medical field (in Canada) as a Lactation Counselor. I have NO fvcking idea how much they make, especially in Canada.

Anyway, "Got Milk?"
Milk is easy :D

"A typical Lactation Consultant working in the United States earns a median base salary of $53,214, according to our analysis of data reported by corporate HR departments. Half of the people in this job earn between $48,158 and $57,818."

From www.salary.com
 
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