Attraction explained.

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Gonna go super deep psychology **** no one has ever heard about, who
hasn't studied it, so read carefully.


Ok we all know at some base level people are attracted to each other
based on their body, face, hair, build or their overall looks.


That's the simple first fact of it. Simple absolute truth.


In this game, in this community however, our goal is of course to use
that thing between her ears to get her attracted, regardless of having
ideal overall looks for her ideal.


What I will explain here is how to get her brain working in the proper
directions, so she will when be influenced in her choices about you.


When I studied everything from neurology to biological psychology to
physiological psychology, I always had an eye on that exact mechanism.
The "choice mechanism", what was it, how could I work in to it and
influence it?


I never imagined I would even have a debate with someone in my life who
did not work at it from this angle. Never imagined this because the use
of "changing someone's choices", for influence in any area, is of
course NEED ONE.


Any practitioner of influence who doesn't understand this and exactly
how it works has no hope of ever understanding their game fully.


So what is the first and foremost understanding one needs to have in
interpersonal influence?


Between a man and a woman?


Psychology 101 here so don't write it off, and if you are a woman,
unless you have attended a university and studied the **** don't tell
me I am wrong, out of ego:


Sex is an act of submission for a woman, to an overall dominance of her
being.


To be penetrated, to take in, to be filled up with someone else is an
act of submission. This is not to say women do not enjoy the act, they
in fact love it, but it is hard wired in the DNA of heterosexual women
that this submission is the ultimate in sexual pleasure.


If anyone knows their **** already and wants the "gattaca" dna
breakdown and consequence from the chemical reactions behind it on male
vs female neurons look it up yourself. Or if enough ask for it I will
draw it up and get it online.


Of course looks can come in to play and cause a biological attraction
to the guy which fosters this, but does not make it happen by itself.


We won't concern ourselves with that element of it however. Everyone
who knows anything knows to look their socially acceptable best for the
mating game already. Anyone who knows anything also knows good looking
guys **** up their attraction game just as bad if not worse than others
at times.


Without going in to all the exact science and filling up 30 pages, just
know that women take in, men put in. Not in some little kid fashion,
but hard wired in the resulting DNA from the x and y chromosones.


We cannot however just walk up and put our penis inside of her to
achieve this.


We need dominant behaviors to trigger this inside her mind that will
result in her feeling submissive.


First what is "dominant" to her "submissive" nature?


As you look at the below traits listed, think of how women possessing
them have a harder time with men in general, how they repulse us, or in
the guy with no game, even scare him away.


Quick list of traits:


Being masculine.


Being looked up to by others.


Being of more social intelligence than others.


Being able to let loose and not hold back/confidence in actions.


Having a stronger persona than her.


Having a more powerful positive state than her.


Lots more.


Now I don't want this to get TOO long so I will list some behavior and
situations you can get examples of that are these things:


Oldie but a goody, not supplicating. Instant ****ed up frame is
established when you kiss ass of course.


Having a conversation with her and she says she doesn't like something
you say you like, saying "well you don't know **** about it woman!"
tongue in cheek is dominant without being a ****. While on the other
hand saying "come to think of it yeah it is stupid" breaks frame.


Something I like to do at bars and clubs and parties is have a stronger
party vibe than everyone else. An "UP" state which inside of I will:


Walk up to a chick and put up my fists as if to fight and when she puts
hers up play fight super light with her until she turns her back to me
from me fake slapping at her.


I will literally walk up and pick up a chick. On my shoulder and carry
her away.


If a chick does the "ahhhh scream and run away" thing mid conversation
I will chase after her and grab her around the waist and pick her up.


If a chick busts my balls about something, maybe makes a joke at me, I
will put her in a light headlock.


If you are reading these saying "I ain't like that though that's what
other guys do with their girlfriends" you are dead on right. That's why
they are some other guys girlfriend, not yours.


Other things I will do is if in a deep conversation with a chick and
she is talking a lot and offering a lot more insight in to the topic, I
will change the subject to something *I* am more well versed in and not
act phased by her insights.


I frame women and other men as a student and me as the teacher in
conversations. I ain't a rude and interrupting guy, and I don't talk
down to people. But I also tell people how it is, I don't go "uhmmm
maybe you should think about getting rid of that car if you can". I say
"get rid a that car that sounds like a piece of ****"


Dedication to what you say. Not "approval hopefully for saying this" is
the key.


Old one here in this community but I don't look away first when eyes
lock with mine, chicks or guys. I make sure they look away first.


Another old one, I don't speak super fast, I come off like people
actually want to hear what I have to say and will wait. I naturally
talk fast so have to work at this one sometimes.


I see myself as masculine, a man, not a boy, and project that to
people.


I will tickle you, I will tickle her, someone tickles me I don't
giggle, they do.


I don't always feel the need to answer everything everyone says to me.
Someone says something trivial like "this is a cool song" that I just
put on the radio I don't go in to a novel about how I like it.


I pick up words. Phrases I like and words other people don't use, I use
em, and talk how I want to talk, I don't hold back for fear of "seeming
weird".


Lots of things like this, that you can easily realize by looking for
dominance(not MEAN but MORE based dominance).


Now these alone will not achieve attraction fully.


At this point she simply has submitted to your frame and is now
admiring you, attracted to you as a persona.


You will start to then notice her do opposite behaviors things like:


Never giving you eye contact for more than a few seconds with a certain
look in here eye you have to know to know.


Running off and looking back at you playfully.


Play fighting with you and losing rather easy.


Jumping on your back to get a piggy back ride.


Jumping on your front and wrapping her legs around you.


Trying to make you tickle her.


Asking your opinion on things in the conversation.


Things to suck you in to the mating ritual, naturally start to come out
of her.


At this point you simply need to go sexual state on her fully:


Project the sexuality through your tone of voice.


Touch her more sensually/slower and longer strokes.


Get closer and closer to her.


Give her deep sensual eye contact.


She will at this point:


1. At a neurological level she will see you as a lover, because you are
taking the actions of a lover. This works a lot like "anchors" of the
Pavolvian sense (CS), but more modern HUMAN biological psychology
instead. Different areas of the brain process this than sense (visual,
auditory, kinosethetic) based anchors, and she feels a sense of
similarity with you as a lover from her awareness of other people. This
also works in other terms like the (UCS)in that she feels she SHOULD
act on it because she HAS in the past.


2. She will follow your sexual state because of the dominance set in
before. She begins to herself slide in to the sexual state as part of
her overall attraction to you, and hence becomes biologically attracted
as well.


3. No science here, but I suspect from all I know it is, she once going
sexual also begins to wonder "why" she is attracted, and attributes
good qualities to you. Like "fractionating" theory. Basically she says
if she is in to looks and knows it: "oh it must be because he has
strong arms", if she is in to money and knows it: "this guy is so smart
he has a lot of potential" even though you may be fat and broke. As she
does not 100% KNOW you are attracted, as you have not told her you are,
yet SHE is becoming attracted she will come up with her own
reasons/excuses if you are not her "classic type".


Put all 3 together, or AT LEAST the first two from biological fact, you
have attraction achieved that you can easily close her based on, the
sooner the better.
 

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It all goes down to a matter of trust, you can be the biggest baddass mofo in the place, and if women don't trust you they'll recoil out of anticipation of being hurt.

If dominance is a control issue for you, then that isn't healthy dominance. It's better to get your satisfaction out of the fact that women or anyone else for the matter look up to you and trust you, and sometimes this means not always getting your way and giving a little leeway for that. After all, it not the men who are totally aggressive or totally submissive that are successful, the successful ones are the ones who can control their own dominant and submissive sides. This is really what women like and say they want; it's just not always clear what they mean because of the misunderstandings and miscommunications. It's also bad to be too submissive, this is actually just as bad as being too aggressive in a realitive sense.
 

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blah!

In that whole long post, i found about 4 or 5 valid points that i agree with... the rest i dont really agree with:rolleyes: ... But thats just me;)


Laterz...
 

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I agree with the principle on being dominant. Gunwitch really nailed that in the post and it is scientific. I can't argue against that point.

What I don't agree with is the premise that dominance means that you should control everyone and everything, this is more of a negitive type of dominance that gives off a really sickly feeling towards you and others. It's not healthy at all. Things like looking people in the eyes until they look away and automatically thinking of yourself as the teacher often time more than not can lead to the negitive dominace unless you have a healthy respect for the underdog and would rather protect than exploit. Then you are doing it for the satification that others are being lifted up and not being put down. It's what they call being assertive.
 

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Originally posted by rgeere
I agree with the principle on being dominant. Gunwitch really nailed that in the post and it is scientific. I can't argue against that point.

What I don't agree with is the premise that dominance means that you should control everyone and everything, this is more of a negitive type of dominance that gives off a really sickly feeling towards you and others. It's not healthy at all. Things like looking people in the eyes until they look away and automatically thinking of yourself as the teacher often time more than not can lead to the negitive dominace unless you have a healthy respect for the underdog and would rather protect than exploit. Then you are doing it for the satification that others are being lifted up and not being put down. It's what they call being assertive.
i agree with this.
 

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Originally posted by rgeere
What I don't agree with is the premise that dominance means that you should control everyone and everything, this is more of a negitive type of dominance that gives off a really sickly feeling towards you and others. It's not healthy at all.
I agree. I think compromise is a much better philosophy. Being able to adapt to different people and different situations is by far the best social skill one can have. Nobody likes a control freak who tries to get his/her own way, be right all the time or who imposes his/her will on others.

I'd even debate whether dominance is particularly attractive to women. At one time I'm sure it was as the male was the protector and provider, but times have changed and women are generally more independent these days and hate posessive or controlling men.
 

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Originally posted by Jariel
I'd even debate whether dominance is particularly attractive to women. At one time I'm sure it was as the male was the protector and provider, but times have changed and women are generally more independent these days and hate posessive or controlling men.
The thing is Jariel is how you define dominance. Women still want dominant men, but they want dominant men they can trust.

For example, a man is strong, but if he is beating her while she is pregnant because she doesn't feel well enough to do housekeeping that is totally going against all aspects of what it means to be a man.

This is why I am saying that the more successful men have both dominant and submissive traits that they have complete control over, and this is also what women mean when they say they want a strong, yet sensitive man.

And it's always been that way, and should be for a reason.
 

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Excellent information Gunny! Cya in Vegas at the end of this month... sshhhhh!
 

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Re: blah!

Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
In that whole long post, i found about 4 or 5 valid points that i agree with... the rest i dont really agree with:rolleyes: ... But thats just me;)


Laterz...
True. Mostly made up garbage that is anything but super deep.

Yes, Gunwitch, I studied psychology and biology at a prestigious university--although neither was my field of study.
 

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Dude, this stuff isn't made up garbage and does have a psychological and scientific basis.

The only thing that is wrong with the article is that, while I could note that Gunwitch did his best to keep a positive tone throughout the reading, you can tell that there is a slight bias towards aggression and control that may not be totally healthy for people.

Other than that, he was right on with what he said.
 

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What's the deal with putting a girl in a headlock if she is busting your balls? I think most people would be annoyed by that.
 

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Originally posted by Blackgame
thats why it's don't playfullly and if you have expressed you are
a dominant male she will love it
No, girls like it because it shows you are outgoing and confident, which is a result of having a strong positive personality. You only want to do it to girls that trust you, though.
 

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This is really good, I would like to read more of his analysis.

This is congruent with my view of reality.

Controlling is NOT good

But nowhere do I recall Gunwitch advertising this kind of behaviour

Controlling is overtly/directly influencing behaviour

What he is suggesting is that by exuding dominance, you can indirectly influence behaviour because the female psychology is programmed to submit to the dominant male. They will feel compelled to submit and exhibit this behaviour naturally of their own free will.


Kaine
 

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There are some good things in Gun's post, but after awhile seemed like he was referring to a 10 year old girl or something.

LOL - try getting playful like that with a career business/secretarial type at work. It would probably come off as more childish than anything.

Respect yourself and if she IS attracted to you, that will only make it more long term.

What makes her attracted is really anybody's guess. There is no single pattern that every woman will adhere to - including dominance. When we try to figure what really makes a attracted, we are no closer than Freud was. Trying to come up with a scientific explanation for something generated by emotion is something that may never be effectively done.
 

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Well, the way I have always looked at it is that both males and females have Agressive/Passive sides.

But, they are sort of flipped flopped like the ying/yang. For example, a man should exhibit his agressive side a little more than his passive side to be attractive, and a woman should exhibit her passive side a little more than her aggressive side to be attractive.

In this regard it really doesn't have as much to do with dominance as it does balance. If the balance does not exist there is no reason to be attracted.
 

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LOL - try getting playful like that with a career business/secretarial type at work. It would probably come off as more childish than anything
Hahahaha, common sense will tell you that is dependent on the social context. You aren't going to be hitting on girls especially in the board room by picking them up on your shoulder. Now at the drinks party.....


What makes her attracted is really anybody's guess. There is no single pattern that every woman will adhere to - including dominance.

Agree and disagree, agree that maybe no single attitude. BUT We already established here that there are some generalities that 99% of normal women find attractive in men. Masculinity, challenge, mystery, dominance etc. By learning, adopting and realising these combinations attitudes you will improve you chances with women 100 fold. Whether her job is lawyer, janitor, clown, CEO does not matter, we are adopting attitudes that speak to their feminine psyche.


In response to the 10 year old girl statement, his behaviours were very strong forms of flirting. But I would use them as examples, and calibrate it on the individual. But speaking from experience (I've never dated girls over 30).

Treating them like girls, or little bratty sisters is VERY powerful.

But I've heard that mature women will giggle and act like school girls when you press "that" button.


Kaine
 

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Yeah .. it really depends, but balance is important. I for one like being or would rather be chased. It shows the girl has high interest and puts me more in control, and not being so analytical as if i were doing the chasing.

If i were a boxer, I would be a counterpuncher. In other words, once something happens, evaluate it and go from there, much easier than chasing and trying to figure out if what you did worked or not.
 

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Originally posted by Kaine

Controlling is NOT good

But nowhere do I recall Gunwitch advertising this kind of behaviour

Controlling is overtly/directly influencing behaviour
That was more of an insight on my part. This is nothing against Gunwitch, but I don't really see any reason why someone who is dominant should prove themselves by looking into someones eyes until they turn away or to make someone else submit before you submit. It was mostly on that concept that I was directing most of my disagreement. More often than not that sort of behaviour leads to negitive actions that turn into a lose/lose situation for everyone, and shouldn't be encouraged except for certain just circumstances. Otherwise, there is no need for that type of aggression.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with looking into someones eyes as an outwa rds display of confidence or to tickle you girlfriend to make her giggle; that never harms anybody.
 
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